I need apologize to you?
I didn't say you needed to, I said that you didn't. I was making the point that civil discussions are the most rational ones, and generally I've been civil to you in the past on this forum. I don't agree with a great deal of what you say, nor you with what I say, but we tend to be civil. I don't think you're a bad person, and I prefer to talk to people with a little fire in their belly, some passion, anyways.
I can't remember why
It was this thread;viewtopic.php?f=72&t=174929
Where I was talking about how as a person with a Christian worldview, It may surprise some people when I say that in Creation, there is only Matter, and all creatures are composed of Matter in some form. That makes me a Christian ''Materialist'', and you very much misunderstood me, as if I was speaking in praise of the beliefs of these goddamned tv preacher evangelicals with their ''health and wealth prosperity gospel'' bullshit.
, but here you go:
No problem, lol...
Yes. That is correct.
See? We can agree on some things, and a lover of reason and logic is by no means an enemy of mine.
I disagree, except... That I should probably expand my remarks to say that I believe that De-Evolution is the process generally at work in the Cosmos today and in the past, in a dialectical conflict with Progress/Evolution, which is Teleological and will be the process at work in the future.
My ''conservatism'' is not the ''conservatism'' of most ''conservatives'', but I do believe in absolutes and eternal principles.
Bottom line is, this isn't the thread I want to discuss this about on. You'll find I'm probably a more ''profound'' a critic of so-called Conservatism than you realize. I mean, I'm a Christian Communist for God's sake!
The world is not only 7000 years old. I am a Christian and believe the entire idea is idiotic. Here is why.
We have solid scientific evidence that it is much older than that. We have irrefutable evidence that people have been around vastly longer than that.
So to believe that the world is 7000 years old you have to conclude that God lied to us. That he made creation to deliberately fool us. My God is not a liar.
There is absolutely nothing about believing that the universe is 13.8 billion years old that in any way diminishes Jesus' message. That the Bible, which was written my men and edited by people with a particular political view. contains allegory and analogy is indisputable. To take the Bible literally diminishes the majesty and power of God.
But we Christians have to put up with the morons who try to sell us Clement of Alexandria's (et al) calculations.
I simply do not agree with anything you've said here, except maybe your sincerity in your idea of Christian beliefs, which sincerity does not seem to mesh well with characterizing those who believe still in a more traditional idea of salvation history, the age of the cosmos, and disbelief in the theory of evolution (which was the majority position of Christians universally from the earliest times), as being ''idiots'' and ''morons''.
Is that what you think of me, for example?
I 'll extend to you the charity you have not extended to me so far, and rather than get into a quarrel with a fellow Christian, I'd prefer to let the matter drop.
But man is a fickle and disreputable creature and perhaps, like a chess-player, is interested in the process of attaining his goal rather than the goal itself.