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@wat0n

Firearm Homicide Rates...

US:

From 2014 to 2021, male and female firearm homicide rates per 100 000 persons per year increased from 5.9 to 10.9 fatalities (84.7% increase) and 1.1 to 2.0 fatalities (87.0% increase), respectively.

Costa Rica:

From 2014 to 2021, the firearm homicide rate per 100 000 persons per year increased from 6.4 to 10 fatalities.

[wat0n]

@wat0n

Firearm Homicide Rates...

US:

From 2014 to 2021, male and female firearm homicide rates per 100 000 persons per year increased from 5.9 to 10.9 fatalities (84.7% increase) and 1.1 to 2.0 fatalities (87.0% increase), respectively.

Costa Rica:

From 2014 to 2021, the firearm homicide rate per 100 000 persons per year increased from 6.4 to 10 fatalities.

Why don't you break the firearm homicide rate for Costa Rica by gender? Your comparison makes little sense when around 80% of all homicide victims are male.

Also, the US firearm homicide rate in 2014 stood at 4 per 100,000 inhabitants.

[ingliz]

Also, the US firearm homicide rate in 2014 stood at 4 per 100,000 inhabitants.

The rates can be found here Trends and Disparities in Firearm Fatalities in the United States, 1990-2021.

Why don't you break the firearm homicide rate for Costa Rica by gender?

The numbers don't exist.

At least I can't find them.

[wat0n]

The rates can be found here Trends and Disparities in Firearm Fatalities in the United States, 1990-2021.

Sure, follows the usual pattern.

If anything, it's less pronounced in the US than in the Americas as a whole where the male homicide rate is almost 10 times the female homicide rate.

https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and ... icide.html

Another thing to note is that the Americas have the greatest homicide rate in the world - even higher than Africa.

The numbers don't exist.

At least I can't find them.

Indeed. So a proper comparison isn't possible.

What I have yet to figure out is why does @late think Costa Rica is very safe while the US isn't in light of the aforementioned rates. Even before the recent increase in Costa Rica, it had a rate of 6.4 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants in 2014 as opposed to the US' 4 per 100.000 for just gun homicide and 4.4 per 100,000 for the total homicide rate in the same year.

[ingliz]

Costa Rica has a gun homicide rate of 10 per 100,000 inhabitants

You are making it very difficult to take your numbers on trust.

Because you're wrong again.

I checked, or rather an AI large language model checked it for me.

"I'm an AI preview, so I'm still learning. Sometimes I might say something weird. Don't get mad at me, I'm just trying to get better!

According to Statista, the homicide rate in Costa Rica in 2021 was 11.5 per 100,000 inhabitants. This figure is based on the number of intentional homicides registered by the Judicial Investigation Department. However, this rate does not specify the proportion of firearm homicides.

According to Infosegura, 73% of the intentional homicides in 2021 were committed with a firearm, which implies a firearm homicide rate of about 8.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. This is higher than the global average of 2.8 per 100,000 inhabitants reported by GunPolicy.org."


Costa Rica:

Firearm homicide rate (2021)

8.4 per 100,000 inhabitants

Wrong year?

The number for 2022 is not available, but if we take the 2022 homicide number and apply the '73% of the intentional homicides in 2021 were committed with a firearm', you get an estimated 8.8 firearm homicides per 100K.

This number is still below 10.

[wat0n]

You are making it very difficult to take your numbers on trust.

Because you're wrong again.

I checked, or rather an AI large language model checked it for me.

"I'm an AI preview, so I'm still learning. Sometimes I might say something weird. Don't get mad at me, I'm just trying to get better!

According to Statista, the homicide rate in Costa Rica in 2021 was 11.5 per 100,000 inhabitants. This figure is based on the number of intentional homicides registered by the Judicial Investigation Department. However, this rate does not specify the proportion of firearm homicides.

According to Infosegura, 73% of the intentional homicides in 2021 were committed with a firearm, which implies a firearm homicide rate of about 8.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. This is higher than the global average of 2.8 per 100,000 inhabitants reported by GunPolicy.org."


Costa Rica:

Firearm homicide rate (2021)

8.4 per 100,000 inhabitants

Ok, you can take that latter figure if you wish, although when I click the link from Infosegura I get a non-found message.

So, how is Costa Rica "very safe" when the gun homicide rate of 8.4 per 100,000 inhabitants is still greater than the 7.3 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants and 6.3 homicides using a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants rates in the US?

[ingliz]

@wat0n

I am not making @late's argument. I just think that if you are making a numbers argument, you should get the best numbers you can.


BTW. The 2020 number is 8.

[wat0n]

@wat0n

I am not making @late's argument. I just think that if you are making a numbers argument, you should get the best numbers you can.


BTW. The 2020 number is 8.

What I find interesting is the plot in that site, suggesting the 8 firearm homicides per 100,000 inhabitants is not unusually high - the rate has been around that since 2014 or so. The 6.3 firearm homicides per 100,000 in 2021 (which was very similar to the 2020 figure) in the US is one of the highest rates in many years. Hopefully this will start coming down now that the pandemic is effectively (soon officially) over.

[Pants-of-dog]

Again, people can just ask @late instead of asking other forum members to support a claim that late may or may not have made.

[late]

Again, people can just ask @late instead of asking other forum members to support a claim that late may or may not have made.

They don't know enough to talk about it, so they hide in the numbers.

Posters are always trying to escape the obvious..

[wat0n]

@late why is Costa Rica "very safe" according to you when its homicide rates are higher than those in the US?

Is Costa Rica a civilized society?

@Pants-of-dog that's exactly what I've been doing, asking him to elaborate on his position.

[late]

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@late[/usermention] why is Costa Rica "very safe" according to you when its homicide rates are higher than those in the US?

Is Costa Rica a civilized society?

@Pants-of-dog that's exactly what I've been doing, asking him to elaborate on his position.

It was very safe.

It's an interesting question. It was, until our Drug War started f***ing them up. But one usually compares apples to apples. Developed countries have the resources to accomplish things that a poor country can't afford.

You spend far too much time running from the obvious...

[wat0n]

It was very safe.

It's an interesting question. It was, until our Drug War started f***ing them up. But one usually compares apples to apples. Developed countries have the resources to accomplish things that a poor country can't afford.

You spend far too much time running from the obvious...

Even if you look at the rates from 10+ years ago, the US' rates were lower. The US gun homicide rate was below 5 per 100,000 inhabitants from 1998-2018, which is lower than the rates in Costa Rica from 2005 onwards.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publication ... -1993-2018

In fact, the firearm homicide rate in the US has only been above 5 per 100,000 in the last few years (since the pandemic began in 2020). Hopefully it will come down now that the pandemic is basically over, and who knows maybe it can actually resume its downward trend.

As to your point about development, yes, it is a protective factor for sure. Economic development is also evidence of civilization, the last time I checked.

[late]

Even if you look at the rates from 10+ years ago, the US' rates were lower. The US gun homicide rate was below 5 per 100,000 inhabitants from 1998-2018, which is lower than the rates in Costa Rica from 2005 onwards.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publication ... -1993-2018

In fact, the firearm homicide rate in the US has only been above 5 per 100,000 in the last few years (since the pandemic began in 2020). Hopefully it will come down now that the pandemic is basically over, and who knows maybe it can actually resume its downward trend.

As to your point about development, yes, it is a protective factor for sure. Economic development is also evidence of civilization, the last time I checked.

Still running from the obvious, I see.

We are still in a war against ourselves. Compare us against any of the other developed countries, and it's a bloodbath.Oh, yeah, it's getting worse. I'm worried that that maybe intentional. One of the theories the FBI is looking into is the possibility is that extremists are cranking up their crazies to destabilise the country...

If you compare Costa Rica to a lot of other countries down south, they are safer. They don't, or didn't, have the other crimes... Like gangs kidnapping or robbing tourists, etc.

Could you be slightly less tedious, you keep trying to hide in irrelevancies. Meanwhile, our daily dose of mass murder rolls on.

[wat0n]

Still running from the obvious, I see.

We are still in a war against ourselves. Compare us against any of the other developed countries, and it's a bloodbath.Oh, yeah, it's getting worse. I'm worried that that maybe intentional. One of the theories the FBI is looking into is the possibility is that extremists are cranking up their crazies to destabilise the country...

If you compare Costa Rica to a lot of other countries down south, they are safer. They don't, or didn't, have the other crimes... Like gangs kidnapping or robbing tourists, etc.

Could you be slightly less tedious, for fucks sake?

No.

The moment you are saying the US is developed, you accept it is rather civilized.

I also don't like inconsistent, illogical and hyperbolic claims.

[ingliz]

it is rather civilized

It is a rather civilized shithole.

Private affluence amid public squalor.

— John Kenneth Galbraith

[wat0n]

It is a rather civilized shithole.

Private affluence amid public squalor.

— John Kenneth Galbraith

Better than the both public and private squalor that was easily found in the USSR

[ingliz]

USSR

That's a random response.

Why the obsession with Russia?

Is this an American thing?

[wat0n]

That's a random response.

Why the obsession with Russia?

Is this an American thing?

Is it?

It's the alternative you support, isn't it?

[ingliz]

It's the alternative you support

What makes you think that?

As every nation has its base and superstructural quirks, culture, and history, how socialism is implemented will be different to reflect that.

The USSR is not the default option.