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The Guardian wrote:Australian scientist gets baby fish to bust a move to MC Hammer classic
DJ and neuroscientist Rebecca Poulsen – aka BeXta – has studied what happens to a zebrafish’s brain when it hears U Can’t Touch This

What happens inside the brain of a baby zebrafish when you play MC Hammer’s timeless 1990 hip-hop track, U Can’t Touch This, and why is this even a question?

“I’ve spent a lot of time looking at the video over and over again to see if there are neurons that respond to the bass or the vocal. In my opinion, there’s something there.”

As Australia’s first female dance music producer and DJ, Rebecca Poulsen – aka BeXta – is a pioneer, with scores of tracks, mixes and hundreds of gigs around the globe under her belt.

But between DJ gigs, and 20 years after leaving university for a music career, she is now studying neuroscience at Queensland Brain Institute at the University of Queensland in Brisbane.

And part of this involves gently securing baby zebrafish inside a chamber and then playing them sounds while scanning their brains with a laser and looking at what happens through a microscope.

The results of Poulsen’s sound experiments have been published in the journal Current Biology.

The analysis for the study doesn’t look at how the fish larvae react during Hammer time, but how their brain cells react to more simple sounds.

“It told us their hearing range was broader than we thought it was before,” she says.

Poulsen also tried more complex sounds, like white noise and “frequency sweeps”, which she describes as “like the sound when Wile E Coyote falls off a cliff” in the Road Runner cartoons.

“When you look at the neurons that light up at each sound, they’re unique. The fish can tell the difference between complex and different sounds.”

This is, happily, where MC Hammer comes in.

Out of professional and scientific curiosity – and also presumably just because she could – Poulsen played music to the fish.

She composed her own piece of dance music and that did seem to light things up.



But what about U Can’t Touch This?

“You can see when the vocal goes ‘ohhh-oh’, specific neurons light up and you can see it pulses to the beat. To me it looks like neurons responding to different parts of the music.

“I do like the track. I was pretty little when it came out and I loved it. I didn’t have the harem pants, though, but I did used to do the dance.”

And so, when Poulsen published an early version of her research before it had been through peer review, she tagged MC Hammer on Twitter with a video of the fish brain lighting up to his song.




Later that day, MC Hammer tweeted a link to Poulsen’s work-in-progress. “That was awesome,” says Poulsen.

Carrying out this research presented two big problems.

How do you stop the fish from swimming away while you play them sounds? And how do you get a speaker small enough to deliver different volumes and frequencies without startling the fish?

For the first problem, the baby zebrafish – just 3mm long – are contained in a jelly-like substance that lets them breathe “but stops them from swimming away and keeps them nice and still so we can image them”.

For the second problem, Poulsen and colleagues used a speaker just 1cm wide and stuck it to the glass of the 2cm-cubed chamber the fish was contained in.

Using fish larvae has its advantages. “They’re so tiny we can see their whole brain … we can see the whole brain live in real time.”

The idea that fish can hear and react to music isn’t new, Poulsen points out.

Because zebrafish are a common subject for experiments, another group of researchers have claimed playing them a couple of hours of Vivaldi twice a day for 15 days made them calmer and helped part of their immune system.

“So why would fish be happy hearing music?” asks Poulsen.

“It’s not something that’s in their environment. Is this something that’s fundamental to animals? That raises some big philosophical questions in my mind.”

Poulsen says all animals need to be able to understand the information coming in to them through sound.

“They need to do that to survive. For a fish, that might be to know a predator is approaching, or if there’s something hitting the water. That goes all the way up to humans where we have to be able to discriminate between different sounds.”

When Poulsen left school, she studied sonology at Griffith University’s Queensland Conservatorium and then went off touring and making music for 20 years. She returned to study for a graduate certificate in autism and a masters in education after having a son.

Ultimately, Poulsen is using the zebrafish brains as a model because she thinks they could tell us something about autism.

“Once we know how the zebrafish processes sound, we can then look at auditory processing in our zebrafish models that have altered genes that are strongly linked to autism.”

But before all that, she has a DJ gig to get ready for in Brisbane next weekend.
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ness31 wrote:But why wouldn’t a fish react to sound waves? :?:


Sound is an important source of information for animals living in the marine environment and all vertebrates, and many invertebrates, have evolved sensory mechanisms for detecting, localizing, and interpreting many of these sounds. The hearing system of vertebrates first arose in fishes.
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jimjam wrote:Sound is an important source of information for animals living in the marine environment and all vertebrates, and many invertebrates, have evolved sensory mechanisms for detecting, localizing, and interpreting many of these sounds. The hearing system of vertebrates first arose in fishes.



Of course it is. I just couldn’t understand why it was such a big deal. Did they think fish couldn’t hear? Did they think it’s silent underwater?

I suppose they had a chance to try out some of their new fancy toys….at the expense of some poor fish larvae :|
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ness31 wrote:Of course it is. I just couldn’t understand why it was such a big deal. Did they think fish couldn’t hear? Did they think it’s silent underwater?

I suppose they had a chance to try out some of their new fancy toys….at the expense of some poor fish larvae :|

Actually, fish have very poor hearing, along with most other non-mammalian animals. During their evolution in the Mesozoic, mammals adapted part of their jawbone into a sophisticated hearing apparatus. We might expect other mammals to appreciate human music, but the fact that fish also seem to do so is surprising.
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I doubt the fish is appreciating MC Hammer. It was just showing a mixed range of reactions to differing sound waves. The fact that it went along with the beat isn’t appreciation …perhaps mimicry or something…
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ness31 wrote:I doubt the fish is appreciating MC Hammer. It was just showing a mixed range of reactions to differing sound waves. The fact that it went along with the beat isn’t appreciation …perhaps mimicry or something…

Which, in itself, is scientifically interesting. It suggests that the fish embryo has mirror neurons, which are firing in response to sound. This alone justifies the experiment.
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Potemkin wrote:Which, in itself, is scientifically interesting. It suggests that the fish embryo has mirror neurons, which are firing in response to sound. This alone justifies the experiment.


Which brings me back to my original post, which was why wouldn’t we think a fish reacted to different sounds? Have we not had enough interaction with them to know this innately?

If Aliens decide to run tests on us that stress us out, we certainly had it coming :lol:
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