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@Decky
Not Exactly. thats not the point here.
They are specifically and purposely labelled as communists and not by capitalists but by the KGB.
The idea is to act as a "flowery" version of social Justice for middle class people specifically, followed by a gradual decent into conflict with the upper class.
Thats whats already happening by the way and thats what the entire process of ideological subversion is for.
Once those drain each other and spread chaos, the conditions for a working class revolution is in place in one hand by the weakening of the ruling classes and the creation of sufficient pressure on the working class thus the creation of a motivation for a revolution.

Read about the KGB and ideological subversion (i.e psychological warfare). over 80% of their effort were put on these policies. Thats how the communist revolution is meant to spread without hot conflicts.
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Joka wrote:I don't know how many times I have to state to people that I'm neither a capitalist or a conservative for that matter. It becomes really annoying.


It must be similar to how socialists and communists feel when you try to tell them what socialists and communists believe, even as these socialists and communists tell you that you are misrepresenting their beliefs.
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Joka wrote:First, how does one get rid of xenophobia and racism?


It cannot be completely eliminated but minimised. This is done by eliminating the conditions for racism to arise, namely preventing plural societies of two large ethnicities living side by side in a shared space from emerging. In some cases it is not possible to do anything about this because two communities may have been living close together for generations, but the West is artificially creating plural societies to its own detrimnt. In the long run this can only lead to instability.

Another way to eliminate racism is to ensure prosperity of the entire society. Racial tension cannot emerge among prosperous communities. Wealth and shared class interests eliminate racism in this instance.

Joka wrote:Second, what would a world without xenophobia and racism look like?


It would be one of less instability and greater cohesion. There would be far less wars and violence. People would live in much greater harmony. In fact it would be so much more peaceful that we would not recognise such a world. For example, Islamic radicalism would not exist, because that type of extremism is often motivated by racial hatred but using the excuse of religion.

Joka wrote:Third, politically and socially how would anyone begin getting rid of xenophobia or racism? If it cannot be got rid of entirely, how could it be contained and isolated politically or socially?


The way to mitigate racism to the point of almost eliminating it is anti-racist education at school and an end of multiculturalism and mass immigration. In an ethnically homogenous society where children are taught the anthropological equality of all civilisations and peoples there will be no reason to hate other races.

Joka wrote:Also, what is racism? What are active racists by definition? In comparison, what is non-racists and non-racism?


The left of today will define racism in a way that always indicts Europeans. Therefore any assertion of European ethnic consciousness will be automatically labeled as racism, in a most contrived way. The crimes of European racists will be emphasised while the crimes of anti-European racists are begrudgingly recognised but minimised in importance. And in many cases completely trivial mistakes will be considered major provocations, almost hate crimes, when they could have been done completely innocently.

Racism is a hatred towards people of other races, or to consider them inferior to oneself. Anything other than this is not racism. Ignorance and stupidity are not racism. Wanting to limit mass immigration for demographic reasons is not racism. Unfortunately the definition of racism is so wide that anything which is not in line with progressive thinking is considered a major provocation.
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By Joka
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Pants-of-dog wrote:It must be similar to how socialists and communists feel when you try to tell them what socialists and communists believe, even as these socialists and communists tell you that you are misrepresenting their beliefs.

My intent with this thread is an open dialogue and exchange. If throughout the conversation I find myself wrong addressing the subject of socialists or socialism alike I'll be happy to admit such in that I'll admit my error. With conversations like this we all come with our preconceived notions or opinions, I am hoping this thread can shed some light on them.
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Joka wrote:My intent with this thread is an open dialogue and exchange. If throughout the conversation I find myself wrong addressing the subject of socialists or socialism alike I'll be happy to admit such in that I'll admit my error. With conversations like this we all come with our preconceived notions or opinions, I am hoping this thread can shed some light on them.


So you admit that your ideas of what socialists want in terms of open borders is wrong, and that most socialists and communists do not want to destroy all nation-states. Good.
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By Joka
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Pants-of-dog wrote:So you admit that your ideas of what socialists want in terms of open borders is wrong, and that most socialists and communists do not want to destroy all nation-states. Good.

Not quite yet as I have more questions to ask and inquiries to ponder. If I am satisfied that I'm wrong about those inquiries only then will you have my admittance to anything, before the weekend is over. (Winks)
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Racism and xenophobia are mainly driven by insecurity. I don't just mean emotional insecurity, but financial insecurity as well. One need only look at anti-immigrant rhetoric to see that "They're taking our jobs" is one of the biggest concerns. Of course, it's actually the capitalists taking those jobs, and driving a wedge a wedge between these groups. So creating a new economic system the secures prosperity for all, and not just an elite few, would go a long way toward alleviating such prejudice. It wouldn't eliminate it entirely, however, as there are also fears about losing one's culture. People who speak a different language or practice different customs often arouse suspicion. However, such prejudices still tend to be less pronounced when there is perceived to be a non-zero sum relationship with these other people -- in other words, that their gain does not mean one's own loss. Such relations are more likely to occur when there is less scarcity. So the distributing the wealth of the ruling class should still go a long way in this respect.
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Racism is a hatred towards people of other races, or to consider them inferior to oneself. Anything other than this is not racism. Ignorance and stupidity are not racism.


Racism within an ethic group (i.e. Russians vs. Ukrainians) is as vicious as racism between whites and blacks. We're not genetically designed to be racist but it's mainly driven by nationalist propaganda or education. People who are exposed to racist materials and publications are more likely to commit hate crimes. For instance, Brexit campaign groups contributed to the rise of xenophobia in Britain, especially against Polish migrants.

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Paradigm wrote:Racism and xenophobia are mainly driven by insecurity. I don't just mean emotional insecurity, but financial insecurity as well. One need only look at anti-immigrant rhetoric to see that "They're taking our jobs" is one of the biggest concerns. Of course, it's actually the capitalists taking those jobs, and driving a wedge a wedge between these groups. So creating a new economic system the secures prosperity for all, and not just an elite few, would go a long way toward alleviating such prejudice. It wouldn't eliminate it entirely, however, as there are also fears about losing one's culture. People who speak a different language or practice different customs often arouse suspicion. However, such prejudices still tend to be less pronounced when there is perceived to be a non-zero sum relationship with these other people -- in other words, that their gain does not mean one's own loss. Such relations are more likely to occur when there is less scarcity. So the distributing the wealth of the ruling class should still go a long way in this respect.


I would argue that most is not all of the insecurity is financial.

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