[annatar1914]

@Potemkin , @Godstud , and @Verv :


Post going into Mithraism and what it was all about. First from Wiki article on Astrological Ages:

Mithraism
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Hipparchus' discovery of precession of the equinoxes may have created the Mithraic Mysteries, colloquially also known as Mithraism, a 1st – 4th century neo-Platonic mystery cult of the Roman god Mithras. The near-total lack of written descriptions or scripture necessitates a reconstruction of beliefs and practices from the archaeological evidence, such as that found in Mithraic temples (in modern times called mithraea), which were real or artificial caves representing the cosmos. Until the 1970s most scholars followed Franz Cumont in identifying Mithras as a continuation of the Persian god Mithra. Cumont's continuity hypothesis led him to believe that the astrological component was a late and unimportant accretion.[citation needed]

Cumont's views are no longer followed. Today, the cult and its beliefs are recognized as a synthesis of late-classical Greco-Roman thought, with an astrological component even more astrology-centric than Roman beliefs generally were during the early Roman Empire. The details remain debated.[27]

As far as axial precession is concerned, one scholar of Mithraism, David Ulansey, has interpreted Mithras as a personification of the force responsible for precession. He argues that the cult was a religious response to Hipparchus's discovery of precession, which – from the ancient geocentric perspective – amounted to the discovery that the entire cosmos (i.e., the outermost celestial sphere of the fixed stars) was moving in a previously unknown way. Ulansey's analysis is based on the tauroctony: the image of Mithras killing a bull that was placed at the center of every Mithraic temple. In the standard tauroctony, Mithras and the bull are accompanied by a dog, a snake, a raven, a scorpion and two identical young men, with torches.[27]

According to Ulansey, the tauroctony is a schematic star chart. The bull is Taurus, a constellation of the zodiac. In the astrological age that preceded the time of Hipparchus, the vernal equinox had taken place when the Sun was in the constellation of Taurus, and during that previous epoch the constellations of Canis Minor (The Dog), Hydra (The Snake), Corvus (The Raven), and Scorpius (The Scorpion) – that is, the constellations that correspond to the animals depicted in the tauroctony – all lay on the celestial equator (the location of which is shifted by the precession) and thus had privileged positions in the sky during that epoch. Mithras himself represents the constellation Perseus, which is located directly above Taurus the Bull: The same location occupied by Mithras in the tauroctony image. Mithras' killing of the Bull, by this reasoning, represented the power possessed by this new god to shift the entire cosmic structure, turning the cosmic sphere so that the location of the spring equinox left the constellation of Taurus (a transition symbolized by the killing of the Bull), and the Dog, Snake, Raven, and Scorpion likewise lost their privileged positions on the celestial equator.[27]

The iconography also contains two torch-bearing twins (Cautes and Cautopates) framing the bull-slaying image – one holding a torch pointing up and the other a torch pointing down. These torch-bearers are sometimes depicted with one of them (torch up) holding or associated with a Bull and a tree with leaves, and the other (torch down) holding or associated with a Scorpion and a tree with fruit. Ulansey interprets these torch-bearers as representing the spring equinox (torch up, tree with leaves, Bull) and the autumn equinox (torch down, tree with fruit, Scorpion) in Taurus and Scorpius respectively, which is where the equinoxes were located during the preceding "Age of Taurus" symbolized in the tauroctony as a whole.[citation needed]

From this, Ulansey concludes that Mithraic iconography was an "astronomical code" whose secret was the existence of a new cosmic divinity, unknown to those outside the cult, whose fundamental attribute was his ability to shift the structure of the entire cosmos, and thereby to control the astrological forces believed at that time to determine human existence. That gave him the power to grant his devotees success during life and salvation after death (i.e., a safe journey through the planetary spheres and a subsequent immortal existence in the sphere of the stars).[27]

What is interesting is that this Mithraism, despite the Iranian name, was a strictly Roman phenomena and heavily involving what might be called the Roman " Deep State", with membership drawn largely from the Roman legions. It was then basically a "Chinese style" Secret Society, connected to concerns of universal importance at least at that time and as i will show, connected to the Magi and the Nativity of Jesus Christ and therefore to the historical events i'm seeking to be enlightened by.

More here will follow later today;

A story from Church Father Julius Sextus Africanus 2nd century AD:

In Persia in the temple of Juno built by Cyrus, a priest announces that Juno has concieved. All the statues dance and sing at the news. A Star descends and announces the Birth of a Child, the Beginning and the End. All the statues fall down with their faces to the ground. The Magi announce that this Child is born at Bethlehem and advise the King to send ambassadors. Then Bacchus appears and predicts that this Child will drive out all the false gods. Departure of the Magi, guided by the Star. At Bethlehem they great Mary, have a portrait of her with the Child painted by a skilful slave and place it in their chief temple with this inscription: " to Jupiter Mithras, to the Great God, to King Jesus, the Persian Empire makes this dedication"

But what did the Magi see? St Ignatius who was the child who sat with Jesus in the Gospel account about children coming to Him, he wrote in his Epistle to the Ephesians Chapter 19 that:

" the light of this Star surpassed that of all the others: its brilliance was ineffable and its novelty was such that all those who looked at it were struck with astonishment. The sun, moon and the stars formed a choir round this Star"

And that resembles this from the Book of Apocalypse Chapter 12:

A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.

Which can be interpreted by this Scripture in Genesis Chapter 37 about Joseph and his dream about he and his family:

Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. 'Listen,' he said, 'I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me'

Israel brought forth the Christ, His Holy Ancestors and all those faithful to the God of Israel did, in pain, strife, and struggle.

[annatar1914]

@Godstud , @Potemkin , and @Verv :

I'm going to skip ahead a bit. Time is of the essence.

What i'm getting at for purposes of understanding the present is that just as in Maccabean times, the Jewish people are now in mortal peril.

I support Israel. I support Russia. I know that ive said similar things before, but i didnt fully understand the logic behind the two conflicts at that point. Now i do.

America isnt going to truly help Israel. China and Iran arent going to truly help Russia. The Ukrainian conflict enables ISIS and similar organizations to revive, while the Middle Eastern conflict diverts Russia from fully resolving its issues in Eastern Europe, and the Balkans and the Eastern Med increasingly simmer towards a boiling point.

More and more, Israel and Russia will be forced to ally together.

More and more, it looks like Russia, Serbia, Greece and Israel against the world.

Edit: after all, what nations are currently, in the recent past and foreseeable future, engaged in Nazi disposal than these?

[annatar1914]

Back to the history. A few more data pieces that also need fitting. St Paul was physically confused with an Egyptian by his Gentile guard:

Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?

1. The " Egyptian" himself is a vital historical clue to my reconstruction of events. More on him later.

2. St Paul was obviously a black man, a person of colour.

And the Holy Family of the Christ Child, St Joseph, and the Blessed Virgin Mary had fled into Egypt, and were likewise persons of colour, black, else They would have stood out amid the general Egyptian population.

[Potemkin]

Back to the history. A few more data pieces that also need fitting. St Paul was physically confused with an Egyptian by his Gentile guard:



1. The " Egyptian" himself is a vital historical clue to my reconstruction of events. More on him later.

2. St Paul was obviously a black man, a person of colour.

And the Holy Family of the Christ Child, St Joseph, and the Blessed Virgin Mary had fled into Egypt, and were likewise persons of colour, black, else They would have stood out amid the general Egyptian population.

This is not strictly correct. Even the ancient Egyptians were not actually black. There was a ruling dynasty of black pharaohs after the Kushites conquered Egypt, but the general population remained Mediterranean rather than black. Like almost every ethnic group around the Mediterranean, they were olive-skinned. An Israelite could be mistaken for an Egyptian, who could be mistaken for a Greek, who could be mistaken for a Roman. Think Gal Gadot rather than Viola Davis.

[noemon]

@annatar1914 I’m inclined to agree with @Hakeer here. The ancient Spartans had strict rules of conduct, but they were notorious for kicking over the traces as soon as they were outside Sparta. A little freedom, and they would go wild. You can impose strict moral rules all you like, but as soon as that external coercive force is lifted, then the moral rules evaporate like mist. In the Bible, God asserts that, “I have inscribed my laws upon your innermost hearts.” Without that, nothing can last. Islam, it seems to me, is like ancient Sparta rather than like Judaism. Once the external coercion is lifted, it falls apart.

I find your statements about Spartans and Judaism quite out there Potemkin mate. In Judaism, laws are made to be circumvented, Jewish tradition focuses on the letter of the law rather than the spirit of the law.

Islam follows the exact same Judaic tradition, while Christianity aping Greco-Roman law and moral tradition is more focused on the spirit of the law rather than the letter of the law. This tradition of spirit taking over the letter has been passed down to all modern day legal systems too.

All people have a hierarchy of laws.

[annatar1914]

This is not strictly correct. Even the ancient Egyptians were not actually black. There was a ruling dynasty of black pharaohs after the Kushites conquered Egypt, but the general population remained Mediterranean rather than black. Like almost every ethnic group around the Mediterranean, they were olive-skinned. An Israelite could be mistaken for an Egyptian, who could be mistaken for a Greek, who could be mistaken for a Roman. Think Gal Gadot rather than Viola Davis.

@Potemkin :

I think about Gal Gadot too much as it is, lol...

But consider the sign God gave to St Moses so that he'd be seen as coming from God:

6 Then the Lord said, “Put your hand inside your cloak.” So Moses put his hand into his cloak, and when he took it out, the skin was leprous[a]—it had become as white as snow.

7 “Now put it back into your cloak,” he said. So Moses put his hand back into his cloak, and when he took it out, it was restored, like the rest of his flesh.

Ruddy, Tawny, Swarthy, Bronze: maybe not " Black" although ive seen a few who were: Beja or Nubians. I knew quite a number of Copts from Upper Egypt, and i'd say that they would fit in in the West Indies fairly well, where ive also lived.

In any case the Ptolemies who i'll be looking at for my idea on who " the Egyptian " was, they were Macedonians and were as African as say, the Afrikaaners are.

[Potemkin]

@Potemkin :

I think about Gal Gadot too much as it is, lol...

But consider the sign God gave to St Moses so that he'd be seen as coming from God:

Even white people are not truly white. Leprous skin would certainly be clearly visible on an olive-skinned Israelite/Egyptian (‘Moses’, let us never forget, is an Egyptian name).

Ruddy, Tawny, Swarthy, Bronze: maybe not " Black" although ive seen a few who were: Beja or Nubians. I knew quite a number of Copts from Upper Egypt, and i'd say that they would fit in in the West Indies fairly well, where ive also lived.

Upper Egypt is close to Kush, which was populated with black-skinned people, and once conquered and ruled over Egypt.

In any case the Ptolemies who i'll be looking at for my idea on who " the Egyptian " was, they were Macedonians and were as African as say, the Afrikaaners are.

The Ptolemies would not have looked completely out of place in Egypt. They were olive-skinned, just like the Egyptians. It was their cultural differences from the Egyptians which were problematic. And they made great efforts to assimilate into Egyptian culture, even to the extent of adopting the practice of royal incest (with disastrous long-term consequences, be it noted).

[noemon]

The Ptolemies would not have looked completely out of place in Egypt. They were olive-skinned, just like the Egyptians.

The Greeks in the time of the Ptolemies ranked peoples as such:

Northern Europeans = very white, whiter than Greeks
Egyptians/Indians = darker than Greeks. Associated explicitly 'Egyptians' and 'North Indians'.
Nubians much darker than Egyptians, literally 'Black-Faced' Aithi Ops.
Greeks = "perfect blend of black and white, bung in the middle, bung in moderation."

It was their cultural differences from the Egyptians which were problematic. And they made great efforts to assimilate into Egyptian culture, even to the extent of adopting the practice of royal incest (with disastrous long-term consequences, be it noted).

Greeks did not make great efforts to assimilate into Egyptian culture, Cleopatra, the last Pharaoh ruler in 300 years was the first Ptolemy to speak Egyptian and even that was not even unique to Egyptian but also spoke Persian, Aramaic, Hebrew, Latin, and more.

The apartheid the Greeks imposed in Egypt is quite notorious and has been compared to South Africa and Palestine.

[annatar1914]

@Potemkin , and @Verv :

I just dont have the time and the resources i would need to pursue this particular angle ive been working lately, not so much an admission of defeat as an admission that what talents i have if any are best used in the here and now, for now.

What i did discover is even more remarkable to me than i had anticipated, and that is what i will cover going forwards.

Regarding some aspects of historical revisionism, i have also found to my chagrin a kind of shadowy agenda being quietly pushed which serves a real " theopolitical" purpose, to use a vile neologism to describe it.

I wont be a part of it, unwittingly or not.

On the other hand i was reminded of some other Truths, uncomfortable or not:

I believe that this will not remain dead letter, over time.

[noemon]

@annatar1914 I can give you something to think about.

In ancient Greece, the issue of racism/wokeness, conservative/liberal was played like this....

The Dorian people held very conservative customs: they banned both private foreign travel for their citizens outside the "Dorian"(Spartan and/or Syracusan) Commonwealth and foreigner integration inside and by foreigner they also meant other Greeks too, they demanded absolute loyalty to the laws of the state, imposed harsh conditions on citizenship like sleeping in military dorms until you're 50, sending all your male children to the army to be brutalised at age 7(these were Spartan only, but the other Dorians had similar such in their early days too), disdained luxury items and were instructed to be brutally honest with as little words possible(laconic).

The Dorians being represented by Sparta, Argos, Syracuse, Crete, Macedonia, Taranto, Corfu, Byzantion, and so many other exceptional polities they were held in very high esteem among the other major & minor Greek tribal groups so their distinctive social morality was also held in relatively high-esteem(especially when convenient and not so when not) and it was a sort of permanent fixture of conversation in ancient Greek public life comparing and rationalising ones customs to those of the 'noble Dorians'. Comparing, joking, taking the piss, making comedies, exalting or cursing Dorian social morality was a Greek pastime.

On the other side of the Dorian coin we see Athenian and more generally Ionian mercantile cosmopolitanism in Athens, Ionia(Asia Minor Coast), in Alexander the person, in Afghanistan/North India off the top of my head and we get the associated vices of those ignoble non-Dorians: "liars, cheats, sexual fiends".

Plato deploys the term "xenelasia" as synonymous with barbarity, an entirely uncivilised condition. He has this to say in the Laws [XII, 950a-b]: "Not to welcome any visitor and never to go out [of your homeland] is, besides, something quite impossible and would, at the same time, be seen in the eyes of other men as a savage and unsocial form of behaviour. It would bring upon you the odious name of someone who hunts down foreigners (xenolasiais) and would earn you the reputation of having rough and brutal manners".

As I told you before about Boeotians refusing an alliance with Macedonia against Rome because the Macedonians drunk pure wine instead of watering it down as noble men ought to do, the play between the right/left, conservative/liberal is an internal social function that every group goes through on a permanent basis rather than a battle of civilisations. It's yin and yang.

The Athenians of course were the first to weaponise Democracy and Athenian education, morality and advancement as a means of Imperial expansion and later as a means of preservation at the absense of an army.
King Agis of Sparta was murdered for trying to redistribute the land among the Spartans mainly but also the Helots.

As social groups(countries, states, ethnicities) grow older, the vices increase and the virtues shrink. This seems inevitable when looking at history.

Lykourgos was not a racist that hated foreigners, he had his own priorities on which virtues matter and which vices can be tolerated to permit the important virtues to flourish. Not all virtues and vices are born equal. Hence white-lies for example. Hence the question of good & evil is not a zero sum game.

One cannot preserve what amounts to voluntary brutality both on one self and on others to maintain what amounts to 'brutal-honesty' in the long-run because eventually people grow to say anything to ensure their comfortability.

[annatar1914]

@annatar1914 I can give you something to think about.

In ancient Greece, the issue of racism/wokeness, conservative/liberal was played like this....

The Dorian people held very conservative customs: they banned both private foreign travel for their citizens outside the "Dorian"(Spartan and/or Syracusan) Commonwealth and foreigner integration inside and by foreigner they also meant other Greeks too, they demanded absolute loyalty to the laws of the state, imposed harsh conditions on citizenship like sleeping in military dorms until you're 50, sending all your male children to the army to be brutalised at age 7(these were Spartan only, but the other Dorians had similar such in their early days too), disdained luxury items and were instructed to be brutally honest with as little words possible(laconic).

The Dorians being represented by Sparta, Argos, Syracuse, Crete, Macedonia, Taranto, Corfu, Byzantion, and so many other exceptional polities they were held in very high esteem among the other major & minor Greek tribal groups so their distinctive social morality was also held in relatively high-esteem(especially when convenient and not so when not) and it was a sort of permanent fixture of conversation in ancient Greek public life comparing and rationalising ones customs to those of the 'noble Dorians'. Comparing, joking, taking the piss, making comedies, exalting or cursing Dorian social morality was a Greek pastime.

On the other side of the Dorian coin we see Athenian and more generally Ionian mercantile cosmopolitanism in Athens, Ionia(Asia Minor Coast), in Alexander the person, in Afghanistan/North India off the top of my head and we get the associated vices of those ignoble non-Dorians: "liars, cheats, sexual fiends".



As I told you before about Boeotians refusing an alliance with Macedonia against Rome because the Macedonians drunk pure wine instead of watering it down as noble men ought to do, the play between the right/left, conservative/liberal is an internal social function that every group goes through on a permanent basis rather than a battle of civilisations. It's yin and yang.

The Athenians of course were the first to weaponise Democracy and Athenian education, morality and advancement as a means of Imperial expansion and later as a means of preservation at the absense of an army.
King Agis of Sparta was murdered for trying to redistribute the land among the Spartans mainly but also the Helots.

As social groups(countries, states, ethnicities) grow older, the vices increase and the virtues shrink. This seems inevitable when looking at history.

Lykourgos was not a racist that hated foreigners, he had his own priorities on which virtues matter and which vices can be tolerated to permit the important virtues to flourish. Not all virtues and vices are born equal. Hence white-lies for example. Hence the question of good & evil is not a zero sum game.

One cannot preserve what amounts to voluntary brutality both on one self and on others to maintain what amounts to 'brutal-honesty' in the long-run because eventually people grow to say anything to ensure their comfortability.

@noemon :

Insofar as it goes concerning social morality, i'm in essential agreement with you. @noemon , in fact you might be interested in a book i just bought after watching a review of it:

" Selective Breeding and the Birth of Philosophy"

As to the Dorians themselves, i cannot help but to be reminded of this excerpt from the 1st Book of the Maccabees:

This is a copy of the letter that Jonathan wrote to the Spartans:
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“Jonathan the high priest, the senate of the nation, the priests, and the rest of the Jewish people send greetings to their brothers the Spartans.
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Long ago a letter was sent* to the high priest Onias from Arius, who then reigned over you, stating that you are our brothers, as the attached copy shows.b
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Onias welcomed the envoy with honor and received the letter, which spoke clearly of alliance and friendship.
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Though we have no need of these things, since we have for our encouragement the holy books that are in our possession,
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we have ventured to send word to you for the renewal of brotherhood and friendship, lest we become strangers to you; a long time has passed since you sent your message to us.
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We, on our part, have unceasingly remembered you in the sacrifices and prayers that we offer on our feasts and other appropriate days, as it is right and proper to remember brothers.
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We likewise rejoice in your renown.
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But many tribulations and many wars have beset us, and the kings around us have attacked us.
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We did not wish to be troublesome to you and to the rest of our allies and friends in these wars.
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For we have the help of Heaven for our support, and we have been saved from our enemies, and our enemies have been humbled.
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So we have chosen Numenius, son of Antiochus, and Antipater, son of Jason, and we have sent them to the Romans to renew with them the friendship and alliance of earlier times.d
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We have also ordered them to come to you and greet you, and to deliver to you our letter concerning the renewal of our brotherhood.
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Therefore kindly send us an answer on this matter.”

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This is a copy of the letter that they sent to Onias:
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e “Arius, king of the Spartans, sends greetings to Onias the high priest.
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A document has been found stating that the Spartans and the Jews are brothers and that they are of the family of Abraham.
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Now that we have learned this, kindly write to us about your welfare.
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We, for our part, declare to you that your animals and your possessions are ours, and ours are yours. We have, therefore, given orders that you should be told of this.”

And i say that because i'm of the opinion that this is true in every respect, all earlier jokes aside.

" Semites" were by location and numbers forced by circumstances in the Middle East and Levant in particular to use the languages of the people they initially conquered, but originally spoke an Indo European language. " Hebrew" isn't the language of the Hebrews, of the Israelites, but of the Canaanites. I suspect that they were connected at the very least with the Mitanni Kingdom:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitanni

I havent gotten very far in these cogitations, but its my gut feeling and supported by a number of things, not sure as i'll get to all of it.

[noemon]

@noemon :

Insofar as it goes concerning social morality, i'm in essential agreement with you. @noemon , in fact you might be interested in a book i just bought after watching a review of it:

" Selective Breeding and the Birth of Philosophy"

This has been fairly obvious as it is consistent with the adoption of Greek philosophy by the Italian Aristocracy in the Middle Ages and then later by the French, German and Anglo-Scottish ones.

As to the Dorians themselves, i cannot help but to be reminded of this excerpt from the 1st Book of the Maccabees:
And i say that because i'm of the opinion that this is true in every respect, all earlier jokes aside.

" Semites" were by location and numbers forced by circumstances in the Middle East and Levant in particular to use the languages of the people they initially conquered, but originally spoke an Indo European language. " Hebrew" isn't the language of the Hebrews, of the Israelites, but of the Canaanites. I suspect that they were connected at the very least with the Mitanni Kingdom:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitanni

I havent gotten very far in these cogitations, but its my gut feeling and supported by a number of things, not sure as i'll get to all of it.

The letter correspondence could have been real. At the time the Spartans and Jews were dealing with similar threats from the same Successor, both were keen on Roman aid and the same Spartan King Arius was extremely active in establishing alliances wherever he could find them to antagonise the larger Macedonian Successors.

Kadmos is the founder of Thebes(and Boiotia more generally), a most respected Greek polity, he was Phoinician whose people eventually lost their Phoinician language and became Greeks and not just any Greek but listed along the most important ones like the Dorians, Achaeans, Aetolians and Ionians.

[annatar1914]

@Potemkin , and @Verv :


@noemon , you wrote considering Alamariu's thesis of his book that :

This has been fairly obvious as it is consistent with the adoption of Greek philosophy by the Italian Aristocracy in the Middle Ages and then later by the French, German and Anglo-Scottish ones.

Indeed my friend, and i'd say not only " adoption" but also sometimes a literal biological carrying forwards from the times of the Diodochi into later times as for example witness an aristocratic family claiming descent from the Ptolemies living in Italy:

https://www.histouring.com/en/historica ... e/tolomei/

I think that the Colonnas claimed to come from the Roman Julio-Claudian line, which in turn i personally think originally came from this man:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iollas

But in any case i think that you can get my point and to carry out some kind of breeding and moral/spiritual cultivation of human beings, this was not an entirely unique idea in the Premodern world and in my opinion was a paramount most supreme consideration among the Israelites with the Holy Ancestors of Christ. Aristocrats into the Middle Ages also recognized it when looking at the Maccabean family, listing St Judas Maccabeus as one of the " 9 worthies" that were exemplars of the human Aristocratic ideal:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Worthies

Him along with St King David and St Joshua among the listed Israelite men, and St Esther, St Judith and St Yael Israelites of the listed 9 women.

Concerning the Spartan-Israelite connection you replied:

The letter correspondence could have been real. At the time the Spartans and Jews were dealing with similar threats from the same Successor, both were keen on Roman aid and the same Spartan King Arius was extremely active in establishing alliances wherever he could find them to antagonise the larger Macedonian Successors.

I agree, even necessarily so, that it was real.

Kadmos is the founder of Thebes(and Boiotia more generally), a most respected Greek polity, he was Phoinician whose people eventually lost their Phoinician language and became Greeks and not just any Greek but listed along the most important ones like the Dorians, Achaeans, Aetolians and Ionians.

I'm one of those (albeit few today) who believe that the " Phoenician" peoples ( a geographic designation in my view more than anything else) had been in later times descendants partly of the Israelite Tribe of Asher, to whom the coast of Lebanon fell as theirs during the conquest, building or rebuilding Tyre afterwards. Queen Dido/Elissa of Tyre, who founded Carthage by the way, is described by Virgil as being blonde and fair....

Now, given that i have an premodern worldview myself, i could hardly discard holding an Aristocratic mindset, could i? No i don't.

As you might have noticed over time reading my posts here i rail against what i call " the Giants" who are paragons of physical force and barbarous savagery, not at all those specimens of the human ideal we've been writing about. These evil characters are likened to Wolves by Christ and Aesop in his fables alike, in contrast to the " Lions"...

So, why then if im an Aristocrat do i hold to Socialism as a reaction to the Modern world? Orthodoxy, and an attendant sense of noble obligation:

"to whom much is given much is expected"

And why Plato and the Dorians had the Guardians of the State living communally, after all.

[noemon]

So, why then if im an Aristocrat do i hold to Socialism as a reaction to the Modern world? Orthodoxy, and an attendant sense of noble obligation

The type here refered to as 'aristocratic philosopher', lives outside the boundaries of law, including communism, and as such tolerates all the political systems as his frame of mind exists outside them, and is also refered to as a wolf and wolf pack.

And why Plato and the Dorians had the Guardians of the State living communally, after all.

Inflation and luxury comes for all as the syssitia(communal eating, income tax, welfare) do eventually become so expensive that all become debt-slaves which is precisely what happened in Sparta. Sparta at its peak had 60k Spartans, out of which only 9k were officially Spartiates + 30-50k Achaean Helots, so even when the system worked at its best the vast majority of Spartans were disenfranchised and in serfdom, at its worst they had only barely hundreds of Spartiates left registered, which is to say that the entirety of the "pure" Spartan population had been enslaved into itself with debt and not death. A few families had amassed all the plots as people failed to pay their communal dues(aka taxes) or took out loans to pay these taxes ending up auctioning their farms and thus losing their civic rights.

The story of King Agis IV of Sparta is quite interesting as is the story of King Areus mentioned in the Maccabees.

Both Spartan Kings that introduced "modernity" as a way of breaking with stasis and decline. Agis, his mother and grandmother donated all their property and wanted to reinstate all Spartans as land-holders and cancel all the loans, the aristocrats(senate) told him to cancel the loans first before they agree to let go of their property and readmit the other Spartans, the matter got landlocked a few times by 1 vote in the Senate, eventually they cancelled all the loans first by putting all bonds and securities on fire in the public square, then the aristocrats having their loans removed now had no reason to let go of their properties, so dug their heels on the ground and eventually murdered Agis, his mother and grandmother.

[annatar1914]

@noemon :

The type here refered to as 'aristocratic philosopher', lives outside the boundaries of law, including communism, and as such tolerates all the political systems as his frame of mind exists outside them, and is also refered to as a wolf and wolf pack.

I am reminded by your reference, to the Scythian Anacharsis who was accounted by some as one of the traditional Seven Sages of Greece, who were Pre Socratic:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacharsis

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Sages_of_Greece

In any case i can empathize. For the longest time i had a real penchant for wanting to put labels on my own thinking, wanting more to be understood if i could find a similar thinker or idea already known and described.

On Sparta and its decline:

Inflation and luxury comes for all as the syssitia(communal eating, income tax, welfare) do eventually become so expensive that all become debt-slaves which is precisely what happened in Sparta. Sparta at its peak had 60k Spartans, out of which only 9k were officially Spartiates + 30-50k Achaean Helots, so even when the system worked at its best the vast majority of Spartans were disenfranchised and in serfdom, at its worst they had only barely hundreds of Spartiates left registered, which is to say that the entirety of the "pure" Spartan population had been enslaved into itself with debt and not death. A few families had amassed all the plots as people failed to pay their communal dues(aka taxes) or took out loans to pay these taxes ending up auctioning their farms and thus losing their civic rights.

The story of King Agis IV of Sparta is quite interesting as is the story of King Areus mentioned in the Maccabees.

Both Spartan Kings that introduced "modernity" as a way of breaking with stasis and decline. Agis, his mother and grandmother donated all their property and wanted to reinstate all Spartans as land-holders and cancel all the loans, the aristocrats(senate) told him to cancel the loans first before they agree to let go of their property and readmit the other Spartans, the matter got landlocked a few times by 1 vote in the Senate, eventually they cancelled all the loans first by putting all bonds and securities on fire in the public square, then the aristocrats having their loans removed now had no reason to let go of their properties, so dug their heels on the ground and eventually murdered Agis, his mother and grandmother.

All things of this world fall eventually, except the wisdom we might glean from their study.

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@Hakeer :

Again, I trust in God. One of my problems with the modern notions of liberty is the strange and illogical notion that freedom consists of being a slave to sins, to one's disordered passions.

Certainly, it's convenient for those who seek markets for goods and services to have that idea in the heads of collective consumers, and Mandeville wrote a famous treatise on private vices having a public virtue.... But I seek greater than a sewer and an abattoir to live in.

You can make such a world, but nobody really wants to live in it.

Regarding the Dharmic religions as I called them: for now I would just say that I'm more concerned about Buddhism from an esoteric perspective than any other belief system outside Orthodoxy. That I really don't write about it here is out of a certain prudential reticence rather than lack of strong feelings.

Buddhism is how the Fallen Archangel sees reality from interior and exterior states of being.

@Godstud, @Verv , and @Potemkin :

I wanted to skip ahead and begin to deal with this issue. I happened to be reminded of it by watching this video today;

So for now i create this placeholder. But a question first: does Modernity actually lead to this challenge eventually, the challenge being a Modernity absorbed into Buddhism and vice versa, and Christianity?

From Bodhidharma:

Despite dwelling in a material body of four elements, your nature is basically pure. It can’t be corrupted. Your real body is basically pure. It can’t be corrupted. Your real body has no sensation, no hunger or thirst, no warmth or cold, no sickness, no love or attachment, no pleasure or pain, no good or bad, no shortness or length, no weakness or strength

Christ says otherwise.

I'll think more on this myself and come back with some preliminary answers.

Edit: so this isnt at this time an inquiry about Truth so much as posing a question about compatibility with Modernity, with and in the Cosmos as understood by Secular Moderns. In contrast and comparison to Buddhism:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_cosmology

Eternity of the universe, heavens and hells, worlds in an infinite Cosmos...

Its not about agreement with these religious systems, its about what the future may or may not look like in a world that has abandoned God and yet still requires a simulacrum of reality to maintain even a shadowy type of existence.

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Back to the history. A few more data pieces that also need fitting. St Paul was physically confused with an Egyptian by his Gentile guard:



1. The " Egyptian" himself is a vital historical clue to my reconstruction of events. More on him later.

2. St Paul was obviously a black man, a person of colour.

And the Holy Family of the Christ Child, St Joseph, and the Blessed Virgin Mary had fled into Egypt, and were likewise persons of colour, black, else They would have stood out amid the general Egyptian population.

@Potemkin , @Verv :

" The Egyptian"

Hosea Chapter 11 verse 1:

“When Israel was a child, I loved him,
and out of Egypt I called my son"

Gospel of St Matthew Chapter 2:15:

where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called my son"

Josephus said of the " Egyptian", that most scholars believe was the one i referenced in the Book of Acts, that he was a Con:

Flavius Josephus says in his Jewish War (2.261–262):

There was an Egyptian false prophet that did the Jews more mischief than the former; for he was a cheat, and pretended to be a prophet also, and got together thirty thousand men that were deluded by him; these he led round about from the wilderness to the mount which was called the Mount of Olives. He was ready to break into Jerusalem by force from that place; and if he could but once conquer the Roman garrison and the people, he intended to rule them by the assistance of those guards of his that were to break into the city with him ... But Felix prevented his attempt, and met him with his Roman soldiers ... insomuch that when it came to a battle, the Egyptian ran away.

But as usual Josephus cant get his details gel together:

Moreover, there came out of Egypt about this time to Jerusalem one that said he was a prophet, and advised the multitude of the common people to go along with him to the Mount of Olives, as it was called, which lay over against the city, and at the distance of five furlongs. He said further, that he would show them from hence how, at his command, the walls of Jerusalem would fall down; and he promised them that he would procure them an entrance into the city through those walls, when they were fallen down. Now when Felix was informed of these things, he ordered his soldiers to take their weapons, and came against them with a great number of horsemen and footmen from Jerusalem, and attacked the Egyptian and the people that were with him. He also slew four hundred of them, and took two hundred alive. But the Egyptian himself escaped out of the fight, but did not appear any more.

So is it 600 men or 30,000 or the 4000 Claudius Lysias mentioned to St. Paul?

Doesn't matter. Jesus Christ is The One Who recapitulates the drama of Israel, and Israel symbolizes the story of the Christ, Who Is the Axis Mundi around which all Creation turns.

And in my belief, shows that Josephus was telling an Anti Christian lampoon, based on scurilous stories like the one Claudius Lysias told St. Paul.

But the Zealots were just like the Maccabees really, right? Its telling that the Josephus seems to openly hate the former and covertly hate the latter.

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@Hindsite

As I mentioned in my original post, this ''flag'' I mention ''raising'' is not the flag of the demoniac Muhammad, but calls to mind the saying; ''raising the black flag''. In the early days of exploration and piracy on the seven seas, ''raising the black flag' meant; ''no quarter given or expected''. We Christians are in a very real combat in this life, and it's good to be reminded about that I think. Not only that, but to be reminded of the battlegrounds ''Christians'' have given up to the Enemy over the centuries.

But since you do speak of the Jihadis, I think it's important to consider their very traditional Islamic eschatology and worldview. They have two existential enemies aside from the Jews in their end times beliefs. One are the ''Franj'' or ''Franks'', the Faustian or Western Civilization. The second is ''Rum'', or Rome, and that is not considered by many to be the Rome in Italy, but the ''Romaioi'', the Christians of Orthodoxy, Middle Eastern and East European mostly. However, there is some confusion about whether the Franks are also Romans by Islamists.

The Jihadis believe that the ''Romans'' are prophesied to almost destroy them in battle, before ''Dabiq'', and then the Mahdi and Islamic Jesus will defeat the ''Romans'' and the Dajjal al Mastih, the ''Lying Christ''. All of this is from that Magian cultural mindset I've discussed earlier, with both the false and the true Monotheist religions being Magian.

Geopolitically, ISIS has as I have discussed for many years here on PoFo, has permanently destroyed the map of the world, of the Middle East, and has not been defeated. The coalition of it's enemies fear and detest each other more than they fear and detest ISIS. That is a very bad mistake.

The Godless do not understand the Jihadis like committed Christians can and should.

@Potemkin , and @Verv :

It was the recent fall of Aleppo-again-to Jihadist forces that was the occassion of my wanting to recall and comment on what i had said before, some time ago:

As I mentioned in my original post, this ''flag'' I mention ''raising'' is not the flag of the demoniac Muhammad, but calls to mind the saying; ''raising the black flag''. In the early days of exploration and piracy on the seven seas, ''raising the black flag' meant; ''no quarter given or expected''. We Christians are in a very real combat in this life, and it's good to be reminded about that I think. Not only that, but to be reminded of the battlegrounds ''Christians'' have given up to the Enemy over the centuries.

Fair enough. But of course the inner battle is more important, although the weight of the collective outcomes of those individual personal battles result in the real turmoil we see in the external phenomenal world.

But since you do speak of the Jihadis, I think it's important to consider their very traditional Islamic eschatology and worldview. They have two existential enemies aside from the Jews in their end times beliefs. One are the ''Franj'' or ''Franks'', the Faustian or Western Civilization. The second is ''Rum'', or Rome, and that is not considered by many to be the Rome in Italy, but the ''Romaioi'', the Christians of Orthodoxy, Middle Eastern and East European mostly. However, there is some confusion about whether the Franks are also Romans by Islamists.

Again, well and good, but important to consider in relation to my recent explorations in historical revisionism: the " Romaioi" in a sense have always been....

The Jihadis believe that the ''Romans'' are prophesied to almost destroy them in battle, before ''Dabiq'', and then the Mahdi and Islamic Jesus will defeat the ''Romans'' and the Dajjal al Mastih, the ''Lying Christ''. All of this is from that Magian cultural mindset I've discussed earlier, with both the false and the true Monotheist religions being Magian

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As it happens, i see now, this is the only important narrative frame and cultural spiritual worldview, in the sense of truthfully reflecting reality in my opinion.

Geopolitically, ISIS has as I have discussed for many years here on PoFo, has permanently destroyed the map of the world, of the Middle East, and has not been defeated. The coalition of it's enemies fear and detest each other more than they fear and detest ISIS. That is a very bad mistake.

Still true today. Knowing implies a responsibility. Not necessarily to change things unless called by the higher authority, but to trust in the Good God, Who knows best and orders all things, and in Him is no darkness.

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The Godless do not understand the Jihadis like committed Christians can and should"

God enlighten! But the Hetrodox don't understand themselves in general . Case in point is this eschatological curiousity which is imminently geopolitical, the Mormon " White Horse Prophesy" attributed to Joseph Smith:

While this conversation was going on we stood by his south wicket gate in a triangle. Turning to me, he said, “I want to tell you something of the future. I will speak in a parable like unto John the Revelator. You will go to the Rocky Mountains and you will be a great and mighty people established there, which I will call the White Horse of peace and safety.” When the Prophet said, “You will see it,” I said, “Where will you be at that time?” He said, “I shall never go there. Your enemies will continue to follow you with persecutions and they will make obnoxious laws against you in Congress to destroy the White Horse, but you will have a friend or two to defend you and throw out the worst parts of the law so they will not hurt you so much. You must continue to petition Congress all the time, but they will treat you like strangers and aliens and they will not give you your rights, but will govern you with strangers and commissioners. You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed. It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”

At that time the Prophet’s countenance became sad, because as he said, “I love the Constitution; it was made by the inspiration of God; and it will be preserved and saved by the efforts of the White Horse, and by the Red Horse who will combine in its defense. The White Horse will find the mountains full of minerals and they will become rich (at this time, it must be remembered, the precious metals were not known to exist in either the Rocky Mountains or California). You will see silver piled up in the streets. You will see the gold shoveled up like sand. Gold will be of little value then, even in a mercantile capacity; for the people of the world will have something else to do in seeking for salvation. The time will come when the banks of every nation will fall and only two places will be safe where people can deposit their gold and treasure. This place will be the White Horse and England’s vaults.

A terrible revolution will take place in the land of America, such as has never been seen before; for the land will be left without a Supreme Government, and every specie of wickedness will be practiced rampantly in the land. Father will be against son and son against father; mother against daughter and daughter against mother. The most terrible scenes of bloodshed, murder and rape that have ever been imagined or looked upon will take place. People will be taken from the earth and there will be peace and love only in the Rocky Mountains. This will cause many hundreds of thousands of the honest in heart of the world to gather there, not because they would be Saints, but for safety and because they will be so numerous that you will be in danger of famine, but not for want of seed, time and harvest, but because of so many to be fed. Many will come with bundles under their arms to escape the calamities for there will be no escape except only by escaping and fleeing to Zion. Those that come to you will try to keep the laws and be one with you for they will see your unity and the greatness of your organization.

The Turkish Empire of the Crescent will be the first power to be disputed, for freedom must be given for the Gospel to be preached in the Holy Land. The Lord took of the best blood of the nations and planted them on the small islands now called England and Great Britain and gave them power in the nations for a thousand years and their power will continue with them that they may keep the balance of power; and they will keep Russia from sweeping her power over the world. England and France are now bitter enemies but they will be allied together and be united to keep Russia from conquering the world.

The two popes, Greek and Catholic, will eventually come together in their decline and be united. The Protestant Religions do not know how much they are indebted to Henry VIII for throwing off the Pope’s bill and establishing the Protestant faith. He was the only monarch who could do so at that time and he did it because the nation was at his back to sustain him. One of the peculiar features in England is the established Red-coat; a uniform making so remarkable a target to shoot at, and yet they have conquered wherever they have gone. The reason for this will be known to them some day as red is seen in a different color threading through under all history. The lion and the unicorn of England comes from there being so much blood of Israel in the nation.

While the terrible things of which I have mentioned are going on, England will be neutral until it becomes so inhuman that she will interfere to stop the shedding of blood and history will be more properly understood. England and France will unite together to make peace, not to subdue the nations. She will find this nation so broken up and so many claiming government, till there will be no reasonable government. Then it will appear to the other nations, or powers, as though England had taken possession of the country. The Black Horse will flee to the invaders and will join them for they have fear of becoming slaves again; knowing that England did not believe in slavery, they will flee to them that they believe will make them safe. Armed with British bayonets, the doings of the Black Horse will be terrible.” Here the Prophet said that he could not bear to look longer upon the scenes as shown to him in vision and he asked the Lord to close the scenes.Continuing, he said:

England the Germanies, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, Holland and Belgium have a considerable amount of the blood of Israel among the people which must be gathered out. Those nations will submit to the nations of God. England will be the last of the nations to surrender, but when she does she will do it as a whole in comparison as she threw off the Catholic power. The nobility knows that the gospel is true, but it has not pomp enough, and grandeur and influence for them to yet embrace it. They are proud and will not acknowledge the Kingdom of God or come into it until they see the power it will have. Peace and safety in the Rocky Mountains will be protected by the Guardians, the White and Red Horses.

The coming of the Messiah among his people will be so natural that only those who see him will know that he has come, but he will come and give his laws unto Zion and minister unto his people. This will not be his coming in the clouds of Heaven to take vengeance on the wicked of the world.”“The temple in Jackson county, Missouri, will be built in that generation. The saints will think that there will not be time to build it, but with all the help you can receive, you can put up a great temple quickly. You will have all the gold, silver and precious stones you need, for these things will only be for the beautifying of the temple. Also, all the skilled mechanics you want and the Ten Tribes of Israel will help build it. When you see this land bound with iron, you may look forward to Jackson county.”At this point, he made a pause, and looking up as though the vision were still in view, he said: “There is a land beyond the Rocky Mountains that will be invaded by the heathen Chinese unless great care and protection be given.”

Speaking of the heathen nations, he said: “Where there is no law there is no condemnation; this will apply to them. Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion. The last great struggle that Zion will ever have to contend with will be when the whole of America will be made the Zion of God. Those opposing will be called Gog and Magog. The nations of the earth will be led by the Russian Czar and his power will be great, but all opposition will be overcome and this land will be the Zion of our God. Amen

Russia, and America. That's what is shaping up right now, although i think that it will be a somewhat long time before it has its fulfillment. Nonetheless, its as i wrote originally about this on this thread:

With the Faustian/Western civilization's foundations of evolution and progress, mankind gradually becoming as gods in an eternal and infinite cosmos, this theology and cosmology is ideal for the defense of Western civilization in the future, as persons in Western society grasp something beyond their secular materialism but yet very relatable to their cultural ''self-awareness''... If you could call it that. Here we have a spiritual worldview that teaches that God did not create the universe ''Ex Nihilo'', but that Matter and Intellect and Spirit have always existed from eternity. This will be perfectly in line with the universe-imaginings of the physicists and mathematicians, and when we have ''Alien contact''/''Disclosure'', Mormonism will be well prepared to take spiritual advantage of the crisis then.

With America being the solipsistic spiritual child that it is,immature and unreflective, Mormonism will be America's future primary religion because to a great degree, America is Mormonism's religion. No other belief system caters to the American sense of cultural and spiritual self than this belief system, nor can, so over time this will indeed truly come to be. Because, at a time of increasing crisis and doubt, a prop will be needed, desperately so, that other beliefs are not integrally and structurally capable of providing.

And with Western Europe increasingly coming under pressure from within and from without from Islam/Third World Migration, Europe will increasingly become even more dependent on the United States. And not just militarily or economically; America will 'Americanize' Europe, shoring up the decaying West with a religion that will with it's optimistic dynamism, gradually exponentially increasingly evoke in the cultural collective European memory, the lost grandeur once possessed the dying Roman Catholic Church, which is the parent of the West. Only in Eastern Europe and Eurasia/Russia will Orthodox Christianity be an effective against this growing flood (as during this time, Russia will increasingly revolt against westernization in a definitive break from the trajectory of Russian history begun in the 1600's

Now, how do i link all this to the historical revisionism ive been researching and occasionally posting on? I say that it is linked and i will get around to it in time. It will all come together.

As a preliminary i think that a few remarks are in order. For most of this thread i have railed against " Modernity" , at least Modernity of a certain sort, that being the Modernity in which the Copernican Cosmological Revolution, represented by Giordano Bruno:

.... And the Revolution of Christopher Columbus by which the World is no longer perceptually Flat and by which the New World is ever after a factor, merge and become One;

Are as One. Modernism is absolutely dependant on the concept of America and American religion

Because in and with Mormonism, the circle is completed by ( among other things) a " prophesy" about Columbus in the Book of Mormon;

And a Heliocentric commentary in the Book of Mormon:

Helaman 12:15
"And thus, according to his word the earth goeth back, and it appeareth unto man that the sun standeth still; yea, and behold, this is so; for surely it is the earth that moveth and not the sun"

Plus more than a touch of 16th century Francis Bacon philosophy, very foundational to America and Mormonism:

https://juvenileinstructor.org/turning- ... ley-pratt/

Even Submarines:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Ether

And the American fetish for gadgetry is backdated to ancient times:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liahona_(Book_of_Mormon)

To all of this i contrast the image of the Third Heaven:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empyrean

https://aeon.co/essays/how-heaven-becam ... -the-stars

Contrast the last link with the appearence of a real spatial location for the Third Heaven, which the Protomartyr St Stephen saw in Acts Chapter 7 verse 28:

“

And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God.”

More on this later, but suffice it for now to say that the genesis of all this modern teaching goes back to the cultus of Sol Invictus and the esoteric teachings of Pagan antiquity. For example:

[b]Johannes Kepler, a sixteenth–seventeenth century European thinker, believed that Philolaus's Central Fire was the sun, but that the Pythagoreans felt the need to hide that teaching from non-believers.

And therefore Christ and the Israelites and the wars of the Maccabees against the Pagans had an theological and ideological component. Which grew into the Modern life which is Death, the Age of the Machine. How far is the Truth from this!

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@Potemkin , @Verv , and others:

Not one to usually admit when im flat wrong on a matter, but much of what ive written recently was planned on culminating on what myself and others had misunderstood, based on the misreading of the writings of the Church Father St Epiphanius of Salamis.

Nonetheless the aim is still right i think, and so i find myself quite in league however incongruously with Russia and with Israel.

America really is headed to self destruction, and Islam will inherit the Western world. The " Global South" will ensure that.

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@Potemkin , @Verv , and others:

Tomorrow (now today) will be (is)the Feast of the entry of the Theotokos into the Temple of God.

From the age of 3 to 14, Our Lady the Blessed Virgin Mary was consecrated to the Lord by her parents Saints Joakim and Anna, among the women who served God within the Temple having taken their own Nazirite vows.

These women are mentioned directly in 1 Samuel 2:22, in an outrage committed by Eli's sons, and in 2 Maccabees chapter 3 verses 19-20, when Heliodorus attempted to sack the Temple:

19 And the women, girded with haircloth about their breasts, came together in the streets. And the virgins also that were shut up, came forth, some to Onias, and some to the walls, and others looked out of the windows. 20 And all holding up their hands towards heaven, made supplication

And from the Talmud:

The veil of the Temple was a palm-length in width. It was woven with seventy-two smooth stitches each made of twenty-four threads. The length was of forty cubits and the width of twenty cubits. Eighty-two virgins wove it. Two veils were made each year and three hundred priests were needed to carry it to the pool” (Mishna Shekalim 8, 5-6).

And:

Women who made the veils for the Temple…baked the showbread…prepared the incense” (Babylonian Talmud Kethuboth 106a)

For some examples.

The Blessed Virgin Mary was led even into the Holy of Holies of the Second Temple by the priest St Zacharias, it being empty of the Ark because the Ark of the New Covenant was being prepared and protected by God in His Temple...The Ark and Chariot and the Throne of the Lord.

I believe this wholeheartedly, despite naysayers who dont think that any woman could possibly dwell there under the assumed High Priesthood of the alleged time.

This again is where an adjustment of the perception regarding the historical record must be made.

Must?

Yes, because the historical record concerning the years 1 BC to 200 BC in the secular histories are a bit confusing and problematic in some respects.

Today though we have a certain problem though with the Theotokos. Her ancestry and modern relations, with Israeli Jew Noa Cohen playing her in a 2024 film;

From Wiki:

In 2024, Cohen was cast as the Virgin Mary in D. J. Caruso's epic biblical film Mary, starring alongside Ido Tako and Sir Anthony Hopkins.[2] Her casting, as an Israeli Jewish woman, was criticized on social media, with critics arguing that the role should have been given to a Palestinian actress.[5][6] Caruso stated, "It was important to us that Mary, along with most of our primary cast, be selected from Israel to ensure authenticity."[7]

Aside from the movie which i havent seen and cant speak as to the merits thereof ( and probably chock full of errors) , i think that we can discuss whether the Theotokos ( and thus Christ Himself) is a Palestinian Arab/Muslim or a Jew, can we?

I say that, God help her, Cohen is playing her cousin, the Royal, the Daughter who is the Glory of her people Israel.

It speaks in fact to the ongoing crisis of the Jewish people, over twenty centuries old, and the war between the Israel of God, and the Syncretized Cosmopolitan Paganism of the World.