Oxymandias wrote:@SolarCross
Your lack of intellectual integrity is astounding.
What do you mean by that?
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Oxymandias wrote:@SolarCross
Your lack of intellectual integrity is astounding.
Oxymandias wrote:@SolarCross
You prioritize shoving a validating video everywhere in which it could seem potentially relevant and could spread your dogma (that aspect of your beliefs is a dogma, it fits the definition to a tee). You present yourself as some sort of sensationalist Twitter user, praising himself for his own faux-intelligence and surrounding himself with such like-minded people. In other words you have made yourself into a consumer. A person who cannot create meaningful original content by himself and must rely on others who create to explain his thoughts and ideas for him. It is one thing to build off the ideas of others, it is another to paste it in it's entirety onto a post and let it assume the role of your representative, the work that will represent your entire ideology as a whole.
Oxymandias wrote:@SolarCross
I didn't watch the video because I didn't have the time furthermore my thoughts are complete independent of the video you posted. I am not discussing the video but your own actions. If you want my entire previous post in a nutshell, I am saying that posting the same video on several threads with no input what-so-ever diminishes your intellectual integrity. Nothing to do with Islam or the video.
You never seemed to argue with me that Quranism may be wrong. If you want to debate, why not start now?
P.S. Godstud isn't talking about the video's point. He already knows what the man is talking about, he simply disagrees with it because the man expresses what he thinks is "true" Islam which is of course a No True Scotsman Fallacy something you agree with. There is no true interpretation of the Quran, even allegedly Mohammed's interpretation isn't true from a theological perspective since he's human. Only God's interpretation is the correct one which cannot be known because he doesn't really exist but also because God doesn't really say much.
@Hong Wu
Hold it Hong Wu. Don't let my praise get to you head. Please read the Quran and all other Islamic texts and make your own unique thoughts on it. Do not assume based on example, create based on ideology. Also you forgot the secular dictatorships of the Middle East and the fact that Europe had 2 World Wars trying to fight against secular progressiveness.
Oxymandias wrote:Godstud isn't talking about the video's point. He already knows what the man is talking about, he simply disagrees with it because the man expresses what he thinks is "true" Islam which is of course a No True Scotsman Fallacy something you agree with. There is no true interpretation of the Quran, even allegedly Mohammed's interpretation isn't true from a theological perspective since he's human. Only God's interpretation is the correct one which cannot be known because he doesn't really exist but also because God doesn't really say much.That's exactly my point. I don't need to watch a whole 49 minute video to know this is only one man's opinion on the interpretation of the Quran.
Godstud wrote:That's exactly my point. I don't need to watch a whole 49 minute video to know this is only one man's opinion on the interpretation of the Quran.
Oxymandias wrote:@Hong Wu
Alright, let's get some Socratic teaching in here.
Why is it that you think lack of monasticism makes Islam more political? What would be your thoughts on Sufi theology which advocates for filling yourself completely with love and becoming one with God while being an integral (but ignored) part of Islam for all sects (you can be a Sufi Sunni or a Sufi Shia as Sufism isn't a sect but an "Islamic science").
Solarcross wrote:He wasn't interpreting the Quran though! He was talking about the hadith. fucksake. Oxymandias didn't watch the fucking video either, so he knows no more than you!You know, being a total asshole about it doesn't make you right. Hadiths or Quran, the answer remains the same. He was making his OWN interpretation of it.
truthseeker2006 wrote:Can Islam be Reformed ?
Godstud wrote:You know, being a total asshole about it doesn't make you right. Hadiths or Quran, the answer remains the same. He was making his OWN interpretation of it.
Don't be a douche.
Potemkin wrote:You think the Middle East is a constant thorn in the West's side? No, it's not. In fact, we're a constant thorn in their side. So they kill a few dozen of the West's citizens every so often? Big deal. Sucks to be those victims or their relatives, but even 9/11 was a mere pinprick. We repeatedly invade them, topple their governments, occupy their nations and just generally fuck everything up for them. There's no fucking comparison.
As for why an Islamic 'Enlightenment' is not in the West's interests - it is true that a developed Middle East which has entered modernity would create new markets for Western manufactured goods, it would also created new competitors and new rivals on the world stage. The rise of China, and the West's consequent relative decline, has been tolerated for now. But allowing the entire Middle East to do the same? It's not in our interests. Instead, it suits us better to use the region as a source of cheap oil and cheap human labour power. Given that fact, it makes sense for us to keep the region in a state of roiling internal political conflict; or as Condoleeza Rice put it, in a state of "creative chaos".
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