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Red_Army wrote:I find it amusing that the new wave of right wing degenerate shit-posting cucks identify with the restrictive ideology of Christianity without actually having an ounce of belief in the religion as such. In my estimation its a very base sexual pathology born from their incelism. They again have no faith in Christ as God or any of the Christian mythos, but love the misogyny and the dominion men have over women in both testaments. They also have nostalgia boners for a mythical past that they both did not experience and never actually existed. This association with Christian traditionalism lends their ideology of sexual failure moral weight.
If I was a Christian I would be disgusted by these incels globbing on to my religion expressly to give moral credence to their pathetic ideology.
Kirillov wrote: The same occurred in the early 20th century, when nationalists and protofascists understood Christianity not as a religion, with a distinct set of ethical and dogmatic guidelines, but as a loosely defined collection of European cultural traditions. Telling these people that Christ or some other Christian figure opposes their line of thinking is useless, since they absolutely do not care. What they care about is representing Christianity as part of 'Western Civilisation', a category used to exclude the enemy du jour, be it Jews, Muslims, Marxists, the Left more generally, feminism, or whatever.I find this is true as well. There are though Christians in modern populist movement who by your leftie standards will be lumped together into right-wing category. Yet they are not of Neo-Nazi persuasion, who might actually abhor the ideology altogether or at best see it as a necessary tolerable element in current times.
Kirillov wrote:The same occurred in the early 20th century, when nationalists and protofascists understood Christianity not as a religion, with a distinct set of ethical and dogmatic guidelines, but as a loosely defined collection of European cultural traditions. Telling these people that Christ or some other Christian figure opposes their line of thinking is useless, since they absolutely do not care. What they care about is representing Christianity as part of 'Western Civilisation', a category used to exclude the enemy du jour, be it Jews, Muslims, Marxists, the Left more generally, feminism, or whatever.
Political Interest wrote:And are the left not doing the same?
Quoting the Bible to justify socialism is no different.
Presumably you think Christ is a communist?
The Bolsheviks and all other communist revolutionaries never turned the other cheek. There was nothing meek or timid about them.
B0ycey wrote: But he most definitely was not a Capitalist. Sharing, love thy neighbour, helping the poor, feeding the 5000, healing the sick.
SolarCross wrote:All of those things are capitalist though.
B0ycey wrote:Absolutely wrong I'm afraid SolarCross. Capitalism is all about private ownership, profit and individualism. You do not share your capital like Jesus did with his bread and fish. You do not help those in need like Jesus did for the Lepers and prostitutes. In order to obtain profit, there must be debt. People sell their labor at a fraction of its worth while the private owner and not the state picks up the surplus profit. Only a state health care system like the NHS and not the American System capitalist healthcare system for profit means no debt burden on those of ill health too.
So Jesus did indeed work under similar lines to Marxism principles found within his manifesto. And he was killed by the Romans for a reason after all. And it wasn't because he accepted its politcal system which was a precurser for feudialism. It was because he wanted a system that was based on necessity, sharing and fairness. So he was a Communist in all but name in my opinion. Only you confuse true Communism with that bullshit Communism that is cloaked under fascism that Stalin produced.
SolarCross wrote:That's all stuff you made up so you can justify murdering and robbing people. Capitalism is "private" (as in non-government) property and the trade of such which is a really broad thing so if you want to be dark that can include some pretty nasty stuff like selling narcotics or sex slaves but 99% of commerce isn't like that, it is ordinary everyday good and benign stuff we all benefit from and enjoy.
B0ycey wrote:Please provide examples if anything is made up. Everything I have written can be found in the bible.
But murdering and robbing people historically is a Capitalist trait. Do you think the Dutch and British history is without casualty? And is private ownership found in nature? Private ownership means that someone has to lose out. Do you think those who don't own, benefit from the current system? And the percentage of populous is with them BTW. So capitalism is a minority beneficiary not net gain for all. And true Communism is not like what you think it is either. You possess what you require and your labor is for the benefit of all. The system is very natural BTW and most animals work under a similar system for their kind.
Also showing an image of a shopping centre doesn't highlight that there is indeed losers in Capitalism either - it just may not be you. Someone in Asia, Africa or any poor state has lost their surplus labor for someone of wealth so that we can afford the trainers they make for example. We in the West do not even know what true poverty is because the current global economic system benefits us at the expense of the world's poor BTW.
SolarCross wrote:No one beats communists for murdering and robbing, you make Nazis look cute and cuddly in comparison. Some people say we should punch nazis, actually I think that is a fair thing to do, because anyone in this day and age who self-identifies as a mass murderer pretty much is asking for a punch in the face at least. Way back in the 1930s you might even have the excuse that you didn't really know what was going on, you were just caught up in events but now with the benefit of historical hindsight there really is no excuse. What goes for nazis must go 10x for commies because they are 10x worse. Punching is really insufficient, let's be honest.
B0ycey wrote:No one, and I mean no one, beats the Imperialists for murder and robbing. And who are the most imperialist nations if not the beneficies of Capitalism? Do you honestly think America entered Iraq to liberate them for example?
But I am not a Communist BTW. I just understand the system and the fairness of it. Although there are pitfalls to it as well I might at. Nonetheless I know the evils of Stalin Mao Lenin etc. But they are not Marxists. They have their own ideology associated to their name if you don't know already. Their systems were not even socialism - let alone Communism I might add, but dictatorships. And until you understand that, you, like almost all of Pofo, don't even know what Communism actually is. Only advocate TIG and a few others actually fully understood Communism as it was intending to be. And I suspect he wasn't shouting the name of Stalin from this cliff tops as he would have known his evils.
So get your facts correct and don't slander the name of Communism until you actually know what you are talking about. Currently there has never been an actual Communist state to have killed and rob anyone. The closest we have ever had to Communism is the words of wisdom from Jesus.
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