Donna wrote:The bourgeoisie in Japan and South Korea are more or less satellite classes of the Western ruling class and these societies do internalize white supremacism.
Yes, they are satellite classes but they also have their own autonomy. The only reason they are satellites is because they are in the US sphere of influence and not because they are considered outsiders. In fact the American bourgeoisie love to include Korean and Japanese bourgeois elements.
Donna wrote:Discriminatory? Yes. Let me be clear, prejudice against white-passing people is real and it isn't okay. But I'm not going to call it racism because people of color simply do not possess structural power and structural power is not the same thing as as having the arbitrary power of a bureaucrat or officer.
Except it is structural power because the power to discriminate when you hold power as part of a structure is structural. You can imagine what this would look like if it was in a court of law or the police, for example.
Donna wrote:Wrong again. These ethnicities have always had similar ethnographic features, but to say that pre-modern, medieval or ancient Europeans "have always been white" is again an unjustified projection of a modern construction onto a world and cosmos where it did not exist.
Fair enough, I will rephrase this. The peoples of Europe have always been made up of Germanics, Celts, Slavs, Finnic peoples who now all fit the definition of whiteness as defined by modern standards. These peoples formed ethnic identities.
Donna wrote:What is your point? The identity of these nations have since evolved. Are you trying to argue that Black French or Black British aren't real Frenchmen or Britons?
No, they are real Frenchmen and Britons, however they have their own ethnic identities with distinct traditions and histories. You cannot change this fact. For you to reduce European ethnicities to whiteness and claim that a German has no ethnicity is in itself a reinforcement of white supremacism. You see, an ethnic German is not German because he is white but because he belongs to the German ethnos which was the product of Germanic and Celtic tribes. It is the same with Norwegians who are the product of the ethnogensis of Finnic and Norse peoples. That they are white is a mere coincidence and as we both agree, white identity is a product of modernity.
Donna wrote:It is racism if you believe that German, French and English identity is exclusive on the basis of race.
I never said it is exclusively based on race. If I moved to China and acquired Chinese citizenship then had a child with a white woman there, the child would not be Han Chinese even if it spoke fluent Mandarin and was completely assimilated. Or would you consider such a person Chinese?
Donna wrote:"Eithnic English" and "Ethnic German" are no longer scientifically accurate descriptions as modern genomics now shows that everyone is a mixture of everyone else. As descriptions they are socio-historical and geological constructions, they evolve with the cultural development of nations and subsequently change as societies change. There is no "eternal" English or German ethnicity.
Of course not, there is no pure race. But again this is not a question of race. Ethnic groups are made up of several racial and subracial elements, they are not homogenous. This is why I am not a racist and do not oppose interracial marriges, for example. I do not believe in racial purity.
And yes I do believe that people can be assimilated into a different ethnos but this is a slow process and cannot happen on a mass scale in modern times. You cannot have mass immigration on the scale we are seeing into Europe and think this will produce any type of synthesis or equilibrium.
But there were many people of African descent who became assimilated into European ethnoses, for example Alexander Pushkin or Samuel Coleridge-Taylor. You can also meet many people in England who are English but not white. They are English and I do not dispute this at all. Therefore my position is not racist and I am not reducing European ethnicity or identity to race.
Donna wrote:I'm sorry, were you being specific?
The conditions of the British working class were appalling through much of the 20th century and still are. And no it's not a case of them being slightly uncomfortable, they were utterly appalling.
Donna wrote:Racism is a lot more complex than frog memes on 4chan. Believe it or not, it does matter if you are white-passing and in denial of your privilege.
What privileges do I have?
We are condemned to live.