[JohnRawls]

@JohnRawls

Jackie Chan, as wealthy and successful as he is, has got to have better options than just selling out or going to the gulag. He could move to another country rather then betraying his values and principles.

And do what exactly? If his plan is not to just retire then he can't make movies in China anymore. Also he is not really that relevant in Hollywood also. Which, at best, will make him a B movie actor. So, uh, his real choice is either sellout, retire or gulag.

[Rancid]

And do what exactly? If his plan is not to just retire then he can't make movies in China anymore. Also he is not really that relevant in Hollywood also. Which, at best, will make him a B movie actor. So, uh, his real choice is either sellout, retire or gulag.

He should have retired to the west. At the same time, the CCP would hold his family hostage. They are assholes like that. They do that to students that are abroad.

[Politics_Observer]

@JohnRawls

He could go back to college if Hollywood isn't hiring and learn some new skills. He's got the money for it and wouldn't have to go into any student loan debt. There is no excuse for being a sell out.

[Politics_Observer]

@Rancid

He could bring his family to the West too if need be. He's got the money to do it. Why sell out when you don't have to?

[Patrickov]

He could move to another country rather then betraying his values and principles.

It is a massive overstatement to say that he actually has values and principles.

Just because he acts well doesn't mean he's a morally upright person.

And Chinese too often put their so-called national interest before other more important virtues.

To be fair, though, Jackie Chan probably does not only represent himself or his family. There are probably a whole bunch of people feeding on him, and vice versa is probably also true.

[Igor Antunov]

@Rancid

He could bring his family to the West too if need be. He's got the money to do it. Why sell out when you don't have to?

The Pro-Chinese, Chinese man living in China, is betraying his principles by continuing to reside in China and by supporting the political party that made China great again?

Maybe he should support the disgraced 'nationalists' that got spanked by the populace, stole the country's entire treasury and escaped to an island and now rely on their mainland industries to economically survive.

This is like dividing by zero. Your internal algorithm is broken.

[colliric]

The Pro-Chinese, Chinese man living in China, is betraying his principles by continuing to reside in China and by supporting the political party that made China great again?

Maybe he should support the disgraced 'nationalists' that got spanked by the populace, stole the country's entire treasury and escaped to an island and now rely on their mainland industries to economically survive.

This is like dividing by zero. Your internal algorithm is broken.

His dad was a Kuomintang spy and hitman. When they lost the mainland, he escaped to Hong Kong secretly stowed away on a boat.

His dad survived several communist assassination attempts and had the wounds to prove it.

[late]

His dad was a Kuomintang spy and hitman. When they lost the mainland, he escaped to Hong Kong secretly stowed away on a boat.

His dad survived several communist assassination attempts and had the wounds to prove it.

That fits with what I was saying.

It's easy to be critical when it's not your ass on the line. A lot of you have never seen a repressive country. I did. Hard to forget the Guardia Civil in Spain, guys with crazy eyes and really big guns.

[Igor Antunov]

His dad was a Kuomintang spy and hitman. When they lost the mainland, he escaped to Hong Kong secretly stowed away on a boat.

His dad survived several communist assassination attempts and had the wounds to prove it.

Clearly his daddy's war and principles don't have to be his own. It's not something you genetically inherit. Nor is this some kind of culture, religion or ideology he would have inherited via conditioning. He grew up in a colonial territory that treated his ethnicity as a second class. Which system are his principles supposed to align with exactly, the one he never experienced in nationalist china, the one that treated him like a subhuman, or the one that's responsible for his city economically booming right alongside it thanks to it acting the financial middle man?

[Patrickov]

Clearly his daddy's war and principles don't have to be his own.

In China this actually is a serious breach of one of its most important traditional virtue: Filial piety.

But of course, the CCP is the destroyer of whatever good in China, leaving it as an evil and disposable husk as it is now, so such things do not come as a surprise.

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[Igor Antunov]

In China this actually is a serious breach of one of its most important traditional virtue: Filial piety.

But of course, the CCP is the destroyer of whatever good in China, leaving it as an evil and disposable husk as it is now, so such things do not come as a surprise.

No this is further proof Jackie grew up under the 'british' system, i.e filial piety does not apply. So he chose of his own volition.

[AFAIK]

Why is everyone so convinced that it's impossible for someone from HK to actually like the CPP?
Let's just ignore the opinion polls and elections that show 50% support for Beijing.

[colliric]

Why is everyone so convinced that it's impossible for someone from HK to actually like the CPP?
Let's just ignore the opinion polls and elections that show 50% support for Beijing.

Because Cantonese expats living locally in countries like mine are usually extremely anti-communist, even to the point of supporting the Taiwanese by backing the ROC flag(only Chinese flag that's ever flown in Melbourne's Chinatown). So people living overseas see the Cantonese community as generally being combative with the Communist Mandarin.

Naturally people think most HK Cantonese must have similar views to ex-pats. It's roughly 50% in HK, but overseas in the Cantonese diaspora, it's far far lower. I would hazard a guess and say it's probably only 5-10% in Melbourne. Maybe even less than that. My Mum, her family, her friends and almost every other Cantonese person I've ever met absolutely loathe the CCP. It's one of the main reasons her entire family moved to Australia. Because they feared a violent CCP invasion during the Cultural Revolution, and moved here instead.

This is one reason alot of anti-communist Cantonese are leaving HK again.

[colliric]

Yeah I know Chris is most likely funded by the Epoch Times and receiving Falun Gong money, but he's still extremely entertaining.

[Patrickov]

Why is everyone so convinced that it's impossible for someone from HK to actually like the CPP?
Let's just ignore the opinion polls and elections that show 50% support for Beijing.

More like 40%, which was why pro-Democrats swept the 2019 elections -- all seats were FPTP.

The use of the word "impossible" is inaccurate.
A more accurate description should be: Beijing supporters in Hong Kong are like Trump supporters in the United States.
The size is significant but most of the others want to get rid of them.

I hope this statement helps United States PoFo'ers understand more on how we, more intellectual, moral, freedom-loving and justice-seeking Hongkongers, see Beijing supporters in our city, or even worldwide.