[Wrath_014]

They lived in Palestine. Were born in Palestine. Hence...PALESTINIANS!
That includes the few Jews who remained as well.

Judea was an autonomous state in the Persian Empire following the return from Babylonian exile thanks to Cyrus, King of Persia. Following the death of Alexander the Great who had captured the Persian Empire, it became part of two Hellenistic.

Following the Maccabean revolt, Judea became an independent state. Following the death of King Herod, the Romans seized it and it then became a Roman province. Judea was briefly independent during the first revolt against the Romans until it was finally destroyed when the Romans put down the revolt and destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in the year 70.

Judah lost its independence to Rome in the year 70 and became again a colony. In the year 135, the Romans gave the country the name "Palaestina". The name Palaestina, which became Palestine in English, is derived from Herodotus, who used the term Palaistine Syria to refer to the entire southern part of Syria, meaning "Philistine Syria." This was to add insult to injury against the Jewish people. The intent was to remove any memory of a Jewish presence. The name was kept by the next possessors, the Byzantine Empire, and then by the conquering Arabs and their successors, the conquering Turks.

About 61 B.C., Roman troops under Pompei invaded Judea and sacked Jerusalem in support of King Herod. Judea had become a client state of Rome. During the seventh century (A.D. 600's), Muslim Arab armies moved north from Arabia to conquer most of the Middle East, including Palestine. The Seljuk Turks conquered Jerusalem in 1071, but their rule in Palestine lasted less than 30 years.

During the 7th century, Muslims invaded and the Crusaders from Europe ruled for a time until they were driven out. The Crusaders left Palestine for good when the Muslims captured Acre in 1291. During the post-crusade period, crusaders often raided the coast of Palestine. To deny the Crusaders gains from these raids, the Muslims pulled their people back from the coasts and destroyed coastal towns and farms. This depopulated and impoverished the coast of Palestine for hundreds of years.

Watch the dates.

Plus the entire area was called Syria Palaestina province, so what are they ? Syrians?

ABSOLUTE SUBTERFUGE!!!

Prove me wrong. Else, say you're sorry. Somehow everything I post is a subterfuge.

1. Yes the Jews were a majority...that is until they had the intelligence to piss off the Romans enough to toss them out.
STUPID THEM!
The cannot make a 2000 year claim to anything!
I am of Irish and Hungarian ancestry...yet I was born here thus I am Canadian.
Get it?

Why stupid?

They revolt because the Romans abused them.

Who knows?
Who cares?
Money can buy lots of things.
Doesn't make them TRUE...

OR

Perhaps it's the truth and you deny it.

Really?
Then I assume you have a better explanation?

The rise of the right wing parties in Europe.
Muslim violence contribute to it as well.

[Buzz62]

Watch the dates.

Plus the entire area was called Syria Palaestina province, so what are they ? Syrians?

Like I said...ABSOLUTE SUBTERFUGE!
Wrath...you need to quit trying to deny the existence of the Palestinian people.
It's silly and makes you look desperate.

Prove me wrong. Else, say you're sorry. Somehow everything I post is a subterfuge.

That's because allot of it is Wrath.
SUBTERFUGE:
deceit used in order to achieve one's goal.
synonyms: trickery, intrigue, deviousness, deceit, deception, dishonesty, cheating, duplicity, guile, cunning, craftiness, chicanery, pretense, fraud, fraudulence

For instance...
The claim to the land of Palestine. NOBODY maintains a claim to land they vacated over 2000 years ago.
The claims that there are laws in Israel that protect non-Jews. Yes the laws exist...but they're not much good if they are not equally enforced. And...they are not.

Shall I go on?

Why stupid?

They revolt because the Romans abused them.

Wrath...unless you were a Roman...you got abused.
But not all the abused Semites revolted.
Hence...stupid.

OR

Perhaps it's the truth and you deny it.

Perhaps...but I doubt it.

The rise of the right wing parties in Europe.
Muslim violence contribute to it as well.

Again...perhaps they contributed.
But if you do some research, you'll find it's the centerists and left-leaning who are forsaking Israel.

[LehmanB]

Wrath_14, for me its very clear the data in Israel is far more real. Starting from maps, continue with history.
Second, the level of speach in Israel is far politicaly correct in institutes and in the street. On this point I can argue and say that each nation grasp the terrorists and "rights" in another way.
But the Arabs world simply live in lies. Even Europe live in some lies, since they don't recognize reality for political principles int heir maps, the only problem is the public dont' understand that and grasp the irrecognition as the real situation on the map which is not. Anyway, where Arabs, including PAL authority stand, is far worse in terms of twisting history, blocking debates, data, geograhy, statistics. Their own internal statistics are unreliable. They are not a civilization.
So I see a vast different between the sides in this point. And from this point every incitement starts..

[Wrath_014]

Like I said...ABSOLUTE SUBTERFUGE!
Wrath...you need to quit trying to deny the existence of the Palestinian people.
It's silly and makes you look desperate.

You gotta stop saying that.

I don't deny their exitence NOW.

You know what?

I'll shut my mouth if you can show me a direct connection between TODAY'S Palestinians and ANCIENT Philistines(or Plishtim in Hebrew).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3APhi ... ines.3F.3F

The Philistines entered in this region not all at one time but in different eras. The first group reached here in the pre-patriarchal period and made a settlement in Gerar, south of Beersheba. The second group arrived from Crete and settled in the southern coastal area where it divided made different settlements into Gat, Ekron, Ashdod, Ascalon and Gaza. These districts were occupied by the foreign settlers coming mostly from the Mediterranean islands.

In the fifth century BC, the region of eastern coast of the Mediterranean started being called as “the Philistine Syria”, a term coined by the Greek historian, Herodotus and used in its Greek language form. In AD 135, the Emperor Hadrian blotted out the name “Provincia Judea” and renamed it “Provincia Syria Palaestina”. This was the Latin version of the Greek name and soon became a name to be used as an administrative unit. This name was shortened to Palaestina and the name “Palestine” was derived from it as a modern and anglicized version.

No changes occurred to this name until after the fourth century had passed when Palestine was divided in to three regions, following the imperial reorganization. The name Palestine was used by the Christian Crusades to regard all three of the divided regions in general and continued to be used for the regions on both sides of the Jordan River in general. Palestine went under the rule of the Ottoman Turks for 400 years where its administration was attached to Damascus. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, the name Palestine was revived and was applied to the land falling under the British Mandate for Palestine. Arabs use the name “Falastin” for Palestine which is an Arab pronunciation of the Roman word “Palaestina.”
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_ ... origin.php

http://www.ask.com/question/are-philist ... s-the-same

My May 28th article, “Five Simple Truths about the Mideast Conflict,” elicited some passionate responses from those on both sides of the debate, with the first point in particular proving to be the most controversial: “There is no such thing as a historic ‘Palestinian people” living in the Middle East.’”

Let’s unpack two of the most common responses to that assertion, separating myth from fact. Of course, we know that there are several million people living in the West Bank and Gaza who identify as Palestinians today, and regardless of their historic pedigree, they are human beings with real needs. But when a misleading “history” is presented so as to delegitimize Jewish claims to the Land, the falsehoods must be exposed.

Myth #1. The modern Palestinians can trace their lineage back to the ancient Philistines, who were living in the land of Canaan (= Palestine) long before the Israelites had arrived on the scene.

This is completely false as to any lineal or ethnic connection between modern Palestinians and ancient Philistines.

First, the Philistines were Aegean (or Cypriot) sea peoples who migrated to the southern coast of Israel/Canaan in the 12th century BC. It is unclear what relationship they bear with the Philistines who are mentioned in Genesis, hundreds of years earlier. In short, they were not a Semitic people, as the Israelites and Arabs were. Second, from the 8th-5th centuries BC, they were crushed or ruled by the Assyrians, Babylonians, and Persians, ultimately being absorbed by these populations and entirely disappearing from history. In other words, there was a distinct, end of the line for the Philistines roughly 2,500 years ago.

Third, six hundred years after the extinction of the Philistines, and after putting down a Jewish revolt, the Romans changed the name of Judea to Palaestina (in Latin) in order to discourage Jewish patriotism. So, there is absolutely no lineal or ethnic connection between the (earlier) Philistine people and the (later) land called Palestine. In fact, the Philistines had previously lived in the western part of the country, on the Mediterranean coast, whereas Palestine originally referred to the eastern part of the country, on the West Bank of the Jordan river.

Fourth, some Muslim leaders have claimed that there was a continuous Arab presence in Palestine dating back to Muslim conquests in the 7th century AD. But this dubious claim, even if true , would still mean that the continuous Jewish presence in the land predated the first major Arab presence by at least 2,000 years, and it would also underscore the fact that there is no connection between the later Arabs and the earlier (extinct) Philistines.

Myth # 2. The whole argument about there being no historic, “Palestinian people” is meaningless, since there’s is no such thing as a historic Iraqi people either. Borders were artificially created after World War I.”

This is false, as to the overall argument and only partially true about the artificial borders.

Anyone who knows the history of the modern Middle East will recognize the names of nation-states that did not exist as such before (such as United Arab Emirates). But not all national identities in the Middle East are of recent origin.

There has certainly been an ancient, historic Egyptian people in the region, to the south of Israel, and an ancient, historic Syrian-Lebanese people, to the north of Israel, while the Iraqi people often traced their heritage back to the ancient kings of Babylon as well as to the golden age of Islam that flourished in their region 700 years ago. In contrast, the Arabs living in Palestine had no such national identity because they had no such ancient, historic roots, not to mention the fact that there were dozens of other (non-Arab) peoples living in Palestine, some of whom had ruled the region for centuries.

In the oft-quoted words of the celebrated Arab-American historian and Princeton University professor, Philip Hitti, testifying before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, “There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ in history, absolutely not.” And so, if there was no “Palestine” in the pre-1948 Arab consciousness, there was no Palestinian people. The only people living in Palestine who traced their pedigree back to ancient, biblical times and who awaited the restoration of their ancient homeland were the Jewish people.

http://www.voiceofrevolution.com/2011/0 ... an-people/

http://seattletimes.com/news/nation-wor ... ast/roots/

Wrath...unless you were a Roman...you got abused.
But not all the abused Semites revolted.
Hence...stupid.

Or not.

[Hirdmann]

Quite the opposite. The Arabs also have a decrease in numbers while Religious and Heredi Jews still have many kids.

Which is a problem too. A seperate one, though, but still a problem.

[Hirdmann]

Wrath...you need to quit trying to deny the existence of the Palestinian people.
It's silly and makes you look desperate.

Buzz, you need to quit trying to deny the existence of the occupied and oppressed Manchesterian people. It's silly and makes you look desperate.

The claims that there are laws in Israel that protect non-Jews. Yes the laws exist...but they're not much good if they are not equally enforced. And...they are not.

Except they are. Unlike in the neighboring Arab countries. If a Jew is attacked or murdered, the murderer is celebrated as a hero. If a muslim or a Christian is attacked or murdered in Israel, the murderer is brought to justice.

Shall I go on?

I think everyone with an IQ above living room temperature measured in Celsius is getting tired of your lies.

[Buzz62]

Except they are. Unlike in the neighboring Arab countries. If a Jew is attacked or murdered, the murderer is celebrated as a hero. If a muslim or a Christian is attacked or murdered in Israel, the murderer is brought to justice.

Really Now...

Israel spends a lot of time talking about secure borders and how the need for them drives its policies regarding the Palestinians. With few exceptions, the media act as willing promoters of this perversion of reality.

Between 11 and 15 January, four young Palestinians — aged 17 to 22 — were shot dead by Israeli occupation forces. The murders took place in the Gaza Strip and at different points along Israel’s wall in the West Bank. In all instances the Israeli army justified the use of lethal force by invoking its need to protect the integrity of the wall and Israel’s borders.

On 11 January, 22-year-old Anwar Mamlouk was reportedly just outside the Jabaliya refugee camp in Gaza when Israeli soldiers gunned him down.

The next day, Odai al-Darawish, 21, was shot to death at three o’clock in the afternoon while crossing Israel’s wall in the West Bank to get to work in Israel. Initially, Israeli sources claimed the soldiers shot al-Darawish in his legs, in accordance with the “rules of engagement” (“Israeli troops kill Palestinian trying to cross barrier,” The Chicago Tribune, 12 January 2013).

But medical sources quickly revealed that he was hit in the back, indicating that he was likely shot while trying to run to safety (“Israeli forces shoot, kill worker south of Hebron,” Ma’an News Agency, 12 January 2013).

Al-Darawish was from the village of Dura, near Hebron, where in September last year a man attempted to immolate himself in a desperate protest of the dire economic conditions Palestinians face in the occupied West Bank (“Palestinian man attempts to set himself on fire in West Bank village of Dura,” Haaretz, 17 January 2013).

Mustafa Jarad was aged 21 and a farmer from Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza Strip. He was shot in the forehead by an Israeli sniper on 14 January while working his land. But despite the Israeli gunman’s skillful marksmanship, Jarad was not killed immediately.

Doctors at al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City tried to remove the bullet from his severely injured brain, but Jarad died after surgery (“Mustafa Abu Jarad, murdered in Gaza, by the Israeli army,” International Solidarity Movement, 15 January 2013).
Shooting a schoolboy

On 14 January, Samir Awad, a 17-year-old from Budrus, a West Bank village located near Ramallah, was shot from behind in the head, torso and leg while running away from soldiers.

Samir had just completed his last exam before school break and had joined a group of boys to protest the wall. Samir’s family has lost five acres of land with 3,000 olive trees due to the construction of Israel’s wall; Samir had also been jailed three times for his participation in demonstrations (“Israeli forces shot youth in the back as he ran away, say Palestinians,” Guardian, 15 January 2013).

English-language reports of these murders have been scant where they exist at all. For example, the press is in disagreement over the circumstances of Anwar Mamlouk’s death. Reuters reported that Anwar’s brother, Hani, stated that Anwar had been studying outdoors when he was shot (“Israeli forces kill Palestinian along border with Gaza: Hamas,” NBCNews, 11 January 2013).

The BBC, however, relayed only the Israeli military’s version of events and reported that Anwar had entered the “forbidden area” along Gaza’s boundary with dozens of other Palestinians (“Gaza: Palestinian farmer killed by Israeli gunfire,” 11 January 2013).
Shifting the blame

The New York Times took the murder of Samir Awad, the fourth in the spate of Israeli willful killing of unarmed Palestinians, as an opportunity to remark on the “growing unrest” in the West Bank, bizarrely shifting culpability for the deaths onto Palestinians (“Israeli forces kill Palestinian at barrier,” 15 January 2013).

It must be noted that when 17-year-old Muhammad al-Salaymeh was slain by a border police officer in Hebron on his birthday in December 2012, The New York Times remained silent.

Reading the New York Times’ coverage of the murder of Palestinians by Israelis is an apt lesson for any aspiring spin-doctor on the language of equivocation.

The paper’s reporter Isabel Kershner pivots the focus of Monday’s murder in Budrus away from Israel’s trigger-happy soldiers operating in a world of endless and unquestioned impunity and onto Palestinians’ “simmering restiveness”; their increased participation in “disturbances” of the “relative stability” that Israel has tried to maintain; and their “dire financial crisis that has prevented the Palestinian Authority … from paying … government workers.”

Notably there is no explanation provided as to why the PA has not been able to pay its tens of thousands of workers, namely that Israel has stolen the Palestinians’ tax and customs duty funds.
Omitting key facts

This is how The New York Times turns the cold-blooded murder of a teenage boy into a deliberately obfuscating story that describes an opaque haze of “tensions” and “growing unrest.”

This exonerating cloud of ambiguity is kept afloat by the newspaper’s methodical omission of facts: not only the facts of the recent murders of Odai al-Darawish, Muhammad al-Salaymeh and Anwar Mamlouk, but those of the countless incursions, demolitions and violence that Israel perpetrates against Palestinians every week (“Weekly report on Israeli human rights violations in the occupied Palestinian territory,” Palestinian Centre for Human Rights, 10 January 2013).

These are the kind of facts that, if properly reported by the journal of record, would allow readers to know that it is Israel who is the violator of the terms of the country’s own precious “borders.” Proper reportage would give stark and unassailable lie to the notion that it in order to protect these borders, it must shoot and kill innocent men and boys, or women and girls.

http://electronicintifada.net/content/how-media-let-israel-get-away-murder/12107

I think everyone with an IQ above living room temperature measured in Celsius is getting tired of your lies.

My lies?
Gee...perhaps you could point one of them out to me?
Either that or go away...

[Wrath_014]

It must be noted that when 17-year-old Muhammad al-Salaymeh was slain by a border police officer in Hebron on his birthday in December 2012, The New York Times remained silent.

I was reading it briefly when I saw that name above.

Do you want subterfuge? Here's a Palestinian one :

Muhammad al-Salaymeh attacked a policeman then he tried to pull a fake pistol. It was night so you couldn't tell whether it's real or not, even in broad day light in the middle of a fight you can't take that risk. She (The police woman who shot him) did what evey policeman would do to protect her/his friend.

Oh and, I've read the "report" on Electronic Intifada, so don't wave it on me, it's plain wrong.

[Hirdmann]

Really Now...
http://electronicintifada.net/content/how-media-let-israel-get-away-murder/12107

Yeah...really credible source... "electronicintifada" can't be trusted to tell anyone that water is wet.
You and your ilk probably considers Stormfront credible too, as long as it harasses Jews.

[Buzz62]

Boys...I doubt you ever see it because you're both so focused of the "Poor Israeli" idea...but I do give credit to Israel when credit is due.
What you 2...and many many others have to realize is...for every good thing Israel does...it does 5 or 10 bad things.

I'm not saying that the Palestinians are angels.
They are not.
But...they are also not the CAUSE of this mess.
Its THEIR homes that are being demolished...not Israelis' homes.
Its THEIR drinking water that's been curtailed...not that of Israelis.
Its THEIR towns that have never had a dime spent on them in all these years...not the Israelis.

Do you see where this is headed...
The entire conflict SHOULD have been avoided had the Zionists NOT been such a pack of hungry Jackles willing to fuck anybody and everybody in order to achieve their goal...which was and is of course, absolute control of all Palestine. They SHOULD have approached the land and the Palestinians with HUMILITY! With THANKFULNESS! With GRATITUDE!
Instead...they fucked the Palestinians over bu good.

And ever since people like you 2 have been desperately trying to candy-coat it and make excuses for it. And for a long time that worked. There was just enough sympathy that it worked for quite a while.

NOT ANY MORE!!!

You know the numbers...so does Netanyahu.
World support is going down like a lead balloon.

The REAL question is..."What are YOU prepared to DO about it?"
Will you continue to plea the case of the poor Holocaust victims who can murder and steal at will because of past transgressions?
Or will you grow a spine and man-up to the REAL ISSUE?

The choice is, of course, yours.
But please make it carefully. Nobody really wants to see EITHER the Israelis OR the Palestinians in further conflict or an all out Arab/Israeli war. At least I don't.
However...if Israel is incapable of being the democracy it claims to be...it will change its ways.
Should Israel decide not to...support will soon fail.
And Israel...will be alone.

Make you choice boys...

[Xbow]

Tell me Buzz62 what gifts have the Palestinians bestowed upon the world...I say none except the likes of Munich, Lod, and rocket and mortar attacks against noncombatants etc etc etc. I am not advocating Genocide but If there was ever a group, of people that needed to be rubbed out it would be the radical Palestinians that cling to the absurd notion of armed resistance. They are a completely worthless group. Instead of sitting on their asses like a bunch of rednecks from Appalachia waiting for the mill to open again they should have been out making a place for themselves elsewhere. They had a chance to move to and get Jordanian citizenship and land grants in the Jordan River basin but they pissed that away when the PLO/ Fatah tried to take control of Jordan after the King extended his kindness to several million of them.

•After the 67 war the PLO/Fatah created a "state within a state" in Jordan,
•After their victory at Karameh, PLO/ Fatah started taking control of civil life in Jordan. Roadblocks, attacks on police, the rape of Jordanian women and young boys, illegal taxation...all things that Arafat condoned.
•King Hussein considered this a threat to his kingdom's sovereignty, and attempted to disarm the militias. But, to avoid a military confrontation with the PLO/Fatah invited Arafat to become Prime Minister of Jordan. Arafat refused, citing his belief in the need for a Palestinian state with Palestinian leadership.(IN JORDAN!)
•On 15 September 1970, the PFLP hijacked five planes and landed three of them at Dawson's Field, located 30 miles east of Amman. After the passengers were moved to other locations, three of the planes were blown up. After that, the King moved to regain control over his territory and declared martial law. And on the same day Arafat became supreme commander of the PLA.
•Now with clear orders and the Kings commitment the Jordanian army reestablished dominance quickly. Two days later Arafat and Hussein agreed to a ceasefire.
•True to form In a very short time Arafat called for the King to be removed by force. But, in June of 71 Hussein ordered his forces to destroy all remaining Palestinian fighters in northern Jordan which they did expeditiously.
• After that Arafat did the chicken run and hauled ass to Lebanon to rebuild the PLO in that country.

So we have seen how the Palestinians conduct themselves when granted major concessions. And you want Israel to trust those fucking bottom feeding snakes? For your sake, please don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen...the die is cast.

[Buzz62]

Yes...I am forced to agree with most of your thoughts Xbow.
But my opposition to Zionist Israel is not based on whether or not Arafat was a mindless jerk-off.
Or what wonderful inventions the Palestinian people have given to humanity.
And granted...I do tend to give the Palestinians more lea-way when it comes to this conflict, but that's based on the fact that of all the players in this tragic circus...its the Palestinians who got fucked...out of their own homes and land. Hell...we BOTH know were such a thing to happen in our respective lands and homes...we'd die fighting. I doubt either of us could live with ourselves were that not true. See...its a rather fine line between "bottom feeding snakes" and righteous opposition. That line is called "desperation".

It is...IMO...desperation that drives both the Zionists and the Palestinians. Zionists are desperate to fulfill what they see as their destiny. Palestinians are desperate for their homes back. For freedom and independence that was promised and never delivered.

One side it the "interloper" and one side is the "victim".
In order to find out which is which...check this out.

HEBREW:
There are a number of "opinions" as to the true meaning of the term, yet most have 1 common denominator.
The Hebrew root of this word is" 'ivrit', which apparently loosely translates to "To Pass Over" or "to traverse".
This indicates that act of moving from one place to another. I've seen articles where they translate the word from ancient Egyptian and come up with "Interlopers". Indeed, the Jewish people have a never ending history of moving from 1 place to another. This, in and of itself, would not be terribly interesting. Hell we all come from somewhere. However, it does become interesting when one considers the current situation in Palestine.

Be all this as it may...or may not...the bottom line for me is...I would do the same.
And Xbow...unless I seriously misjudge you...so would you.

[Xbow]

Be all this as it may...or may not...the bottom line for me is...I would do the same. And Xbow...unless I seriously misjudge you...so would you.

You are correct but I think that you and I know of the utter stupidity of intentionally directing violence against innocents. I think you and I would direct the rage at the symbols of power, the occupation force, the military and police infrastructures. The intentional blasting of school children, oldsters and innocents is as counterproductive as one can get...its a losing strategy. They select those kind of soft targets because they are easy and almost free of personal risk to the attacker and there is no way I can respect that.

[wat0n]

It is...IMO...desperation that drives both the Zionists and the Palestinians. Zionists are desperate to fulfill what they see as their destiny. Palestinians are desperate for their homes back. For freedom and independence that was promised and never delivered.

What's exactly their "destiny" according to you?

I hope you won't say something like taking over the region based on your deliberate misquote of Herzl

One side it the "interloper" and one side is the "victim".
In order to find out which is which...check this out.

HEBREW:
There are a number of "opinions" as to the true meaning of the term, yet most have 1 common denominator.
The Hebrew root of this word is" 'ivrit', which apparently loosely translates to "To Pass Over" or "to traverse".
This indicates that act of moving from one place to another. I've seen articles where they translate the word from ancient Egyptian and come up with "Interlopers". Indeed, the Jewish people have a never ending history of moving from 1 place to another. This, in and of itself, would not be terribly interesting. Hell we all come from somewhere. However, it does become interesting when one considers the current situation in Palestine.

How so? The term was coined in the Old Testament to refer to the nomadic phase (according to its version of history), yet the Hebrews eventually settled down in what is currently Israel and the Palestinian territories. As such, it's not really true that the Jewish People "have a never ending history of moving from 1 place to another".

[Buzz62]

You are correct but I think that you and I know of the utter stupidity of intentionally directing violence against innocents. I think you and I would direct the rage at the symbols of power, the occupation force, the military and police infrastructures. The intentional blasting of school children, oldsters and innocents is as counterproductive as one can get...its a losing strategy. They select those kind of soft targets because they are easy and almost free of personal risk to the attacker and there is no way I can respect that.

Agreed...violence against innocents is a stupid tactic.
It's made it easy for the Israelis to say, "Look how they attack us."
And then Israeli responses generally kill a number of innocents, and the Israelis say, "But they hide amongst the civilians."
Parents of these dead innocents get enraged and...the vicious cycle continues.

I don't know what the solution is...short of mixing the 2 peoples into 1 unified people.
But I suspect the hatred has gotten so deep in their bones on both sides, that peace may be impossible.

wat0n:

To support educational outreach in order to strengthen and reinforce Jewish identity and commitment to Jewish continuity and Israel.

http://www.jewishdestiny.com/about/

As for the term Hebrew...dude...Jewish people have moved about, whether of their own volition or not, for thousands of years.
Really dude...reality has to set in once in a while...

[wat0n]

As for the term Hebrew...dude...Jewish people have moved about, whether of their own volition or not, for thousands of years.
Really dude...reality has to set in once in a while...

And they have also been sedentary for thousands of years too. I don't see what your point is.

[Buzz62]

Where...where have the Jews been sedentary for thousands of years?

[wat0n]

Where...where have the Jews been sedentary for thousands of years?

Iran, for example. Palestine, too.

More generally, Jews would settle and try to stay in a country as long as they didn't face persecution and the like.

[Buzz62]

wow...
just...wow...

[wat0n]

wow...
just...wow...