Hindsite wrote:You are been deceived by those that spiritualize too much of the scriptures.
So it comes to personal attacks eh?
I would claim I am taking the Scriptures more literally than you are.
Please explain how the prophecy in Luke 21 and Matthew 24 can be for a future event if they are said to be fulfilled in "that generation?"
So, do you believe that the Bibe is the literal and authoritative Word of God and not subject to the authority of men? OR do you believe the temple will be rebuilt in the future
? Because you clearly cannot have both. Luke 21 and Matthew 24 are either talking about events in the first century (my position), or the biblical cannot be interpreted literally
(because your position would have to insert gaps that are not in the biblical text to garner your conclusions); So whats it going to be?
Every text on the temple you have presented have been answered. St. Paul and Jesus Christ, by their own words, preclude the possibility of a rebuilt temple. The texts are either referring to the first century, the church, or Christ Himself.
The issue has been settled and you have yet to give a textual rebuttal.
Hindsite wrote:It is absolutely essential to understand that these three groups exist side by side in today’s world, to distinguish between them, and to recognize that God deals with each differently.
Essential also is an understanding that the church was created through offering to both Jews and Gentiles a “new covenant” relationship with God. This did not bring Gentiles under the Jewish Mosaic law (as some erroneously teach) but delivered from it those coming into the church, both Jews and Gentiles.
I have already answered your claims on this, St. Paul has made clear that those who are in Christ are the heirs of the promises to Israel, Christians are the NEW Israel. This matter is definitively settled in Scripture, but I will quote the text for you and give you the commentary that is absolutely devastating for your position (a position I once held in my days as a teenager).
Here is Galatians 3:7-29, I will break it up in sections now with commentary:
Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. (Galatians 3:7-9)
Here is St. Paul's thesis statement for his following argument in verse 7, those of faith (Christians) are the sons of Abraham. FULL-STOP. There is no distinction between Jew and gentile and blood/circumcision counts for nothing. Christians are the true Jews and the Church is the True Israel. Its that simple.
But also notice that the church is not a "NEW" idea (NOT what C.I. Scofield described as a "paranthesis" is God's work with the Jews); rather it was something that "The Scriptures foreknew" (v8)
and that the Gospel was "preached beforehand to Abraham"
; however, if the Gospel is something that only exists for the church age, then how can it be preached beforehand?
Clearly, neither the church or the Gospel are new, they are part of God's eternal work from start to finish. Abraham was justified by faith as were ALL the Old Testament saints, there were not different ways of salvation in different dispensations. That is all nonsense. There was only ever Law and Gospel and the covenants that ratified such via the Promises of God.
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith. (Galatians 3:10-14)
Here again, the Gospel is made clear, that Christ took upon Himself the curse of the law that kept all, both Jew and Gentile in darkness, upon Himself on the Cross. Through the Work of Christ, the blessing of Abraham has come to the gentiles
(v14). Note: its not merely the Gospel, but the Gospel as the blessing of Abraham that was given to the gentiles. This means that its not simply that in this "NEW" period of the church God has decided to arbitrarily grant salvation to gentiles and Jews through Jesus. Rather, Christ has fulfilled the entire point of the Old Testament with ALL of its promises and has extended those promises to the gentiles.
How can you possibly miss this point?
To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise. (Galatains 3:15-18)
This answers your objection again, there is no separate categories as you say, gentiles, Jews, and the church. Rather, there is ONE offspring of Abraham, ONE. According to Scripture the only true offspring (seed in KJV) of Abraham is Christ, and the only people who are the offspring of Abraham (and recipients of this promise) and those united to Christ (those who have faith and are members of the church).
Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one. Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. (Galatians 3:19-22)
The promise is given to those who might believe (not the law of circumcision, the whole point of Paul's letter to the church in Galatia).
Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. (Galatians 3:23-29)
The apex of the argument. Pretty much settles the matter.
its so plain it hardly needs explaining. In Christ, we are all sons of God, all of those who were baptized have put on Christ by God's grace (not of works), there is no distinction. IT doesn't matter your ethnicity (including whether or not you are a Jew), it doesn't matter if you are rich or poor, slave or free, male or female. If you are baptized into Christ and believe in His promises salvation by faith, then you a Christian and a son of Abraham; that is, you are a Jew and Israelite. Christians and Christians alone are the true sons of Abraham and the Church of Jesus Christ is the true Israel.
Hindsite wrote:This did not bring Gentiles under the Jewish Mosaic law (as some erroneously teach) but delivered from it those coming into the church, both Jews and Gentiles.
Actually it did, the Law is upheld in Christ. Christ says so Himself in Matthew 5:17-19 in which he argues that every command is to be regarded as binding in His Kingdom (other than those that are explicitly made obsolete according to the book of Hebrews-----the ceremonial law).
Likewise, St. Paul also makes clear that the Law is still our moral standard?
Examine Romans 3:28-31:
For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.
Clearly the OT Law is binding according to St. Paul as a moral standard and a basis of restraint (it also shows us our sin and need for the Gospel). BUT beyond this, assuming your position that it wasn't, you would have to take the position that the only OT moral commandments that are binding in the New Testament are those that are explicitly restated. However
, if this was your position, what about bestiality? Bestiality is never restated as immoral in the New Testament
, so would that mean you believe Christians can fuck Goats and not sin?
Hindsite wrote:Those who teach that the church is Israel go on to claim that the church is heir to all of the promises given to Israel. This is as ludicrous as claiming that “the land of Israel” is now “the land of the church.”
Whats wrong with that?
Besides Ephesians 2:11-12 parallels St. Paul's word elsewhere in Galatians 3 (as quoted above) quite nicely. The distinction is over. Christ is the Seed of Abraham, and we being united to Him by faith are the true heirs of ALL the promises made to Abraham.
Hindsite wrote:Donald Trump announced Jerusalem as the capital of Israel right on time with Daniel's prophecy about an anointed prince who comes 49 years after the Jews begin rebuilding Jerusalem. Is Donald Trump the anointed prince? He appears right on time with Daniel's prophecy. The Sanhedrin and Mikdash Educational Center also minted the temple coin with Donald Trump and Cyrus together. King Cyrus was the anointed one in Isaiah's prophecy. Now Donald Trump has been placed next to him. Everything seems to point to Donald Trump as being the anointed ruler in Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy. Trump has ordered the opening of the US embassy on May 14, 2018. It is exactly 70 years from when Israel became a nation on May 14, 1948. But what makes Donald Trump the anointed leader in Daniel's prophecy is that he proclaimed Jerusalem Israel's capital. Daniel prophesied an anointed ruler would appear 49 years after the Jews start to rebuild Jerusalem. A command to rebuild Jerusalem went out in 1968. Donald Trump appeared 49 years later and proclaimed Jerusalem as Israel's capital. End time bible prophecy has just been fulfilled.
The TRUMP PROPHECY coins are being made according to Leviticus Law and Biblical Law, and by the Sanhedrin themselves.
The Sanhedrin is an ancient tribunal of rabbis in the Land of Israel who would be over the construction and running of the third temple should it be built. The Sanhedrin is the council of the high priest.
The Sanhedrin have infact depicted Trump on a coin that meets Biblical prophecy. More than this, the "Trump coins" are like a prophecy of Trump all in themselves.
Each Trump coin is a REAL Half Shekel and the medal is made according to Levitical Law from pewter metal with at least 9.6 grams of halachically required pure silver. This would be what is required as the Third Temple tax should the temple be rebuilt according to Biblical prophecy.
This is all nonsense, if Daniel's seventy weeks were taken literally (ironically as I do), then the would have been completed in the era of the Apostles, not our own time, unless you insert an artificial gap in the text of two millennia!!!
This is all crazy talk.
Your whole system of Dispensationalism originates in a cult-leader whos ideas and works originated the 1800s.
Thus, not only is your position biblically false, its an invention of men, for the Church, that Christ has preserved since the the begginning, has always held to the position I just defended here.
John Nelson Darby is considered by some to be the father of dispensationalism,:10, 293 which was adopted, modified, and made popular in the United States by the Scofield Reference Bible. Charles Henry Mackintosh (1820–96) popularized Darby more than any other Brethren author.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism
Dispensationalism was introduced to North America by James Inglis (1813–72) through the monthly magazine Waymarks in the Wilderness, published intermittently between 1854 and 1872. During 1866, Inglis organized the Believers' Meeting for Bible Study, which introduced dispensationalist ideas to a small but influential circle of American evangelicals. They were disturbed by the inroads of religious liberalism and saw premillennialism as an answer. Dispensationalism was introduced as a premillennial position, and it largely took over the fundamentalist movement, over a period of several decades. The American church denominations rejected Darby's ecclesiology but accepted his eschatology. Many of these churches were Presbyterian and Baptist, and they retained Darby's Calvinistic soteriology.