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Ahed Tamimi is a chlld activist who lives in a village called Nabi Saleh in the occupied West Bank of Palestine. She is a member of the Tamimi family, who are somewhat known for their consistent activism against the Israeli occupation. Her father is Bassem Tamimi, who I saw speak in NYC a year or two ago, he reported on his family's struggle against Israeli occupation, which keeps eating up his village and taking control of their water.

His daughter, Ahed, was arrested by the IDF on the morning of 19th Dec, for slapping and kicking a soldier who was on her family property, on the morning after her 14-year-old cousin was shot in the face by the IDF on that same property.

By morning, I mean, 30 Israeli soldiers raided the Tamimi home at 4am, ransacked the house, confiscated phones and laptops and arrested Ahed. She was taken on her own, which isn't uncommon for Palestinian children. 4am is also not an uncommon time for Israeli soldiers to arrest children, it's pretty typical, you can see lots of videos on YouTube of this happening. Around 300 minors are currently under Israeli "detention" right now.

A little bit after the IDF arrested Ahed and violently threw her mother to the ground when she attempted to hug her, her mother went to the prison Ahed was being held in, and was also arrested for having the audacity to see how her teenage daughter was doing. A female cousin was also arrested, for protesting outside the prison. Both her mother and cousin have been released.

Ahed has since been indicted on 12 charges, including slapping a soldier, throwing stones and uploading video footage of her experience living under military occupation all of her life. Uploading videos of reality on social media are considered "incitement" according to Israeli authorities, since it displays Israeli occupation for what it is. And this recording of reality is criminalized, in that only democracy in the Middle East.

Israeli media has been up in arms about this Palestinian child attacking occupying forces on her own land. Israeli masculinity is offended. One prominent Israeli journalist - who also writes op-eds in the NYTimes - called for Ahed to be raped in detention "away from cameras".

Ahed is now seen as a symbol of Palestinian resistance against zionist lebensraum. She remains in Israeli detention and is very likely going to be imprisoned for years, since this is also untypical of what Israel does to children in Palestine.

A couple of days ago in a hearing, Ahed was asked by a judge, how she hit the soldier. She responded with “Take off these handcuffs and you will see how”.
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skinster wrote:One prominent Israeli journalist - who also writes op-eds in the NYTimes - called for Ahed to be raped in detention "away from cameras".

Pretty big claim. Do you have a source?
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One guy says something stupid and Skinster makes it world news !

Mondoweiss is an extremely biased anti Israel web site.


Military court indicts soldier-slapping teen Ahed Tamimi, her mother

Both charged with incitement as well as aggravated assault in incident captured on video; judge remands them for another 8 days

A military court on Monday indicted 16-year-old Palestinian Ahed Tamimi and her mother, Nariman, both of whom were filmed slapping and shoving IDF soldiers last month in their West Bank village of Nebi Saleh.

The mother and daughter were both charged with aggravated assault of soldiers in the December 15 incident.

The indictment against the teenager cited a total of 12 counts, which took into account five other squabbles with IDF soldiers that she was alleged to have taken part in over the past two years.

While the Military Advocate General requested that both Ahed and Nariman be remanded until the end of proceedings against them, the Judea Military Court judge ruled that the pair be remanded only for an additional eight days to provide the Tamimis’ attorney enough time to prepare a defense.

Among the charges against Ahed were aggravated assault of a soldier, threatening a soldier, preventing soldiers from carrying out their duties, incitement, disturbing the public peace and stone throwing.

Regarding the incitement charge, the MAG cited a statement given by Ahed to her mother, who was filming the December 15 incident on Facebook Live. Immediately following the squabble, Nariman asked her daughter what kind of message she wanted to convey to viewers.

“I hope that everyone will take part in the demonstrations as this is the only means to achieve the result,” she said. “Our strength is in our stones, and I hope that the world will unite to liberate Palestine, because [Donald] Trump made his declaration and [the Americans] need to take responsibility for any response that comes from us,” Ahed added, apparently referring to the US president’s decision last month to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

“Whether it is stabbings or suicide bombings or throwing stones, everyone must do his part and we must unite in order for our message to be heard that we want to liberate Palestine,” she concluded.

The MAG said the Facebook Live stream earned “thousands of views” and “dozens of likes.”
Nour Tamimi (2L) and her aunt Nariman Tamimi (2R) attend a hearing at the Ofer military court in the West Bank on January 1, 2018. (AFP Photo/Ahmad Gharabli)

While Nariman was also charged with aggravated assault, footage from the incident did not appear to show the mother doing anything beyond pushing the soldiers off the family’s property.

Ahed’s cousin Nour Tamimi, who also took part in the incident, was indicted on Sunday for aggravated assault and preventing soldiers from carrying out their duties. The court ordered on Monday that she be released, but a 24-hour stay in execution was granted, giving the prosecution the opportunity to appeal the decision.

Gabi Lasky, who represents the Tamimis, on Sunday accused the court of “playing along with the prosecution’s theatrics.”

Footage from the December 15 encounter in Nabi Saleh shows Ahed and Nour approaching two Israeli soldiers, then shoving, kicking and slapping them, while filming on their cellphones.

They move backwards after Nariman arrives and begins pushing the soldiers herself. The armed soldiers do not respond in the face of what appears to be an attempt to provoke them.
Gaby Lasky, attorney of 16-year-old Palestinian girl, Ahed Tamimi, speaks with Tamimi’s father, Bassem, outside the Ofer Military Court on December 20, 2017. (Hadas Parush/Flash90)

In Ahed’s version of the incident, shared in front of the court during a hearing last month, she said that the same soldiers featured in the video had shot her cousin in the head with a rubber bullet an hour prior to the filmed encounter. “Then I saw the same soldiers who hit my cousin, this time in front of my house. I could not keep quiet and I responded as I did,” the 16-year-old testified.

Photos of Ahed’s cousin Muhammad Tamimi have been widely shared on Palestinian social media, showing the young boy’s face badly bruised and scarred. The Palestinian Ma’an news outlet had reported that he was in an induced coma due to the injuries, but has since woken up.

Nabi Saleh — 20 kilometers (12 miles) north of Ramallah — has been a frequent staging ground for clashes between Israeli soldiers and Palestinians, specifically members of the Tamimi family, which has a history of involvement in highly publicized clashes with the IDF.

In August 2015, an IDF soldier was caught on film trying to arrest Ahed’s cousin Muhammad Tamimi, who had been throwing rocks during a violent protest.

Videos of the December 15 alleged assault were widely picked up by Israeli media, which often accuse Palestinian protesters of seeking to provoke the army into responses, only to be filmed. Ahed Tamimi has also since become an icon of resistance to Palestinians.

Some Israeli politicians hailed the restraint of the soldiers as evidence of the military’s values, while others called for tough responses in the face of seeming humiliation.

Palestinians on social media criticized Ahed’s arrest in the middle of the night, and have asserted it is the people’s right to resist military occupation.
A’hd Tamimi, sister of the boy whose attempted arrest by an Israeli soldier led to a West Bank scuffle on August 28, faces up to a soldier in 2012 (Screen capture via YouTube)

In 2012, Ahed gained fame among Palestinian activists for an incident in which she led a group of children, including her younger brother, in arguing with Israeli soldiers. In a video of the incident, she can be seen repeatedly raising her balled fist at a soldier, poised to hit him, but never actually doing so.

Ahed first appeared before the Ofer Military Court on December 19. Explaining her decision to remand her at the time, Judge Lidor Drachman of the Judea region Juvenile Military Court said that while Ahed Tamimi did not pose any danger, concern that the teen would try to obstruct the investigation justified keeping her locked up.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/military- ... er-mother/

This girl has been indoctrinated from a young age to provoke IDF soldiers. They are now trying to make her a hero of the resistance, and Skinster is trying to help that effort.

In the end she will spend some time in jail, and nothing will come out of it.

By looking up the article one can see the video where for 3 full minutes she is slapping and kicking Israeli soldiers. The soldiers do not react at all so their attempt to create some paliwood videos failed badly.
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skinster wrote:Yes.

Which leads to this: http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/should-is ... ournalist/
And that in turns link to this: http://www.maariv.co.il/journalists/Article-614459 - this article is in Hebrew.
Google translate is far from perfect, but here is what I get: https://translate.google.ca/translate?h ... cle-614459
The google translation gives: "In the case of the girls, it is preferable that the arrest be carried out at another time, at night, just as the IDF knows how to carry out problematic arrests: the scene will be clean, there will be no cameras or provocateurs, the event will not deteriorate and there will be no flammable potential."
That is the closest I came across regarding night and no cameras/recording/video, so I suspect the original story is altered or they linked the wrong story.
So, some additional googling gives:
https://muftah.org/media-outlets-al-mon ... en-caspit/

Which, interestingly, gives a translation which is not rape, but uses a (rather common it seems) translation of:
“In the case of the girls, we should exact a price at some other opportunity, in the dark, without witnesses and cameras.”

Which, when I read it, made me think of the typical brutality by goons: a beating, maybe break some of her teeth. A level of violence that can be explained away as normal during an arrest, possibly inflicted by other inmates, or something from her recent past. Equating his vague comment as the equivalent of supporting rape is dishonest.
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Thunderhawk wrote:Equating his vague comment as the equivalent of supporting rape is dishonest.


It sounds very much as saying that the girls should be raped and tortured in the dark away from the cameras.

Which, when I read it, made me think of the typical brutality by goons: a beating, maybe break some of her teeth. A level of violence that can be explained away as normal during an arrest, possibly inflicted by other inmates, or something from her recent past


Breaking the teeth of a 16 year-old girl who is standing her ground in her own property can be explained as "normal pay-back"?

Are you seriously arguing that the guy was going for torture only up to the point of teeth-breaking because that is what you imagine his limits are? or that your interpretive imagination placing arbitrary limits to his blatant call for extrajudicial torture of a 16 y.o girl is more honest? How so?
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noemon wrote:It sounds very much as saying that the girls should be raped and tortured in the dark away from the cameras.

Except that it doesn't say that.
It clearly suggests arresting her at night (which they did) so that no further inflammatory footage results from it because that family specialises in Paliwood productions.

As we know, no teeth were broken, she was not beaten or raped, not a single hair was damaged.
The "little" girl is safe! But not free.
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Ter wrote:Except that it doesn't say that.
It clearly suggests arresting her at night (which they did) so that no further inflammatory footage results from it because that family specialises in Paliwood productions.

As we know, no teeth were broken, she was not beaten or raped, not a single hair was damaged.
The "little" girl is safe! But not free.


How is arrest a "price" to be paid in the dark? She was arrested and everyone knows about it.

“In the case of the girls, we should exact a price at some other opportunity, in the dark, without witnesses and cameras.”

I am sure he meant playing a furious game of backgammon!
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BWWWAAAAAHH Paliwood productions. Holy Shit balls talk about comic relief!

She doesn’t look very Middle Eastern. You lot sure she isn’t a self hating Jew?
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ness31 wrote:BWWWAAAAAHH Paliwood productions. Holy Shit balls talk about comic relief!


What do you find funny exactly? that the only form of Palestinian resistance is filming their occupiers and thus according themselves the protection that the eyes of the world bestows upon them? One does not even have to imagine what this girl would have to deal with if the entire world was not looking at her case through facebook, the Israeli journalist already told us. Or that even that is so threatening to the Israeli occupation? Because both of these are quite comical or rather tragicomical.

A curtain-twitcher such as yourself would not muster the necessary guts to confront 2 funny looking military guys occupying your front lawn I guess, but I am sure you would be filming them all the way through and for you it would not be funny at all, but a story you would repeat for decades in every single social gathering and pub meeting.
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Paliwood productions is a clear word play on Hollywood productions. It’s ironic because Jews are consistently accused of controlling the media.

You still don’t find it funny? Or is it that my sense of humour is inappropriate for such a ‘serious’ topic?

Edit * you edited :|

A curtain twitcher? :lol:

Stop it..
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How is this girl "controlling the media"? If armed people made it their habit to shoot my cousins in the head and raid my home, I would keep many cameras in my home and would especially film them when they approached too near(like within the property), wouldn't you?
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@ness31
I went and had a hair cut.

noemon wrote:ow is arrest a "price" to be paid in the dark? She was arrested and everyone knows about it.

“In the case of the girls, we should exact a price at some other opportunity, in the dark, without witnesses and cameras.”

I am sure he meant playing a furious game of backgammon!


The price to be paid is to be arrested and brought to court and suffer the consequences.
And this is exactly what happened.
They arrested her at night because the Arabs like to make a big hullabaloo whenever the IDF shows up to arrest someone. With the cameras rolling.

That's all there is to it in my view.
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Ter wrote:The price to be paid is to be arrested and brought to court and suffer the consequences.
And this is exactly what happened.


Being arrested is not a "price where there are no witnesses", because well everyone knows about it and the family are witnesses as well.

Israeli journalist wrote:“In the case of the girls, we should exact a price at some other opportunity, in the dark, without witnesses and cameras.”


They arrested her at night because the Arabs like to make a big hullabaloo whenever the IDF shows up to arrest someone. With the cameras rolling.


What are the Palestinians allowed to do in your view? You are bothered by little girls defending their properties and filming. Is there anything that they can do that you will not mock them for?
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noemon wrote:What are the Palestinians allowed to do in your view? You are bothered by little girls defending their properties and filming. Is there anything that they can do that you will not mock them for?

That's an interesting question.
If you ask me, under the present circumstances, get a visa for Europe or the US and start a new life, make the most of it. It is ideologically more heroic to stay put and put up a fight but that leads only to misery, deaths, bitterness. It is a choice to make, the situation is what it is, there are no plausible solutions on the table.
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Ter wrote:It clearly suggests arresting her at night (which they did) so that no further inflammatory footage results from it because that family specialises in Paliwood productions.

As we know, no teeth were broken, she was not beaten or raped, not a single hair was damaged.
The "little" girl is safe! But not free.


The journalist was suggesting the girls should be raped or tortured. And this isn't all that shocking if you look at what is said amongst Israeli media and when you read reports stating 40% of Palestinian children in Israeli detention are tortured & sexually abused. I don't know why zionists here are pretending a military occupying force would refrain from such action when they beat and execute unarmed Palestinian children in front of cameras, every so regularly.

Thankfully they haven't beaten Ahed yet, but she is in a cold prison cell with cameras faced at her and isn't allowed to see her family. That might sound like torture to some but to zionists, I'm sure this young girl deserves all of this for standing up against an illegal occupying force that has beaten and killed members of her family, shot her mother, tortured her father in prison, etc.
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skinster wrote:The journalist was suggesting the girls should be raped or tortured.

If indeed this is what he "suggested", and the translations are correct, even then it is just one guy saying something. How many Arabs are saying all the Jews should be killed ? It is a meaningless point.

skinster wrote: And this isn't all that shocking if you look at what is said amongst Israeli media and when you read reports stating 40% of Palestinian children in Israeli detention are tortured & sexually abused.

This comes from one of your highly biased web sites, dare I say Fake News? It also depends what you call torture. Being in a cell because you threw rocks at passing motor vehicles is not torture per se.

skinster wrote:Thankfully they haven't beaten Ahed yet, but she is in a cold prison cell with cameras faced at her and isn't allowed to see her family.

Cold cell ? In Israel? That is a hilarious accusation. It is hot over there.
And what is the problem with cameras? She and her family were using cameras all the time. Those cameras are there in her prison cell for everybody's protection. Her protection as well as the prison guards. Otherwise she (and you) would claim she was abused or worse.
Everything is allowed to accuse Israelis, right?
Tsk, tsk.
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