[Oxymoron]

Palestinians didn't choose war, they were merely going about their business trying to live until terrorist gangs from Europe flocked over in the 1940s and stole Palestine from them.

On topic,

they chose war the moment they conquered the territory from the Byzantines, then defaced the Church of nativity and closed on the holy-land, to none Muslim pilgrims. These Arabs need to be sent back by camel to the Desert they came from.

[colliric]

they chose war the moment they conquered the territory from the Byzantines, then defaced the Church of nativity and closed on the holy-land, to none Muslim pilgrims. These Arabs need to be sent back by camel to the Desert they came from.

They stopped doing that millenia ago....

Certainly in 1948 they weren't doing that anymore.

[danholo]

They kind of were. All Arab states in 1948 were nascent and quite belligerent - and tried to conquer Palestine for their own territorial gains. There were local Arab forces in Palestine but they had no edge over the Jewish forces. They lament this loss till today, refusing to grow up.

[Zionist Nationalist]

There is no reason for any modern liberal state to support existence of "Palestine"
it will be another shithole corrupted Arab country

I bet that if Israel wouldnt have been created Palestine wouldnt exist today as a country. it would be split between the Arab state or completely annexed by Syria/Jordan

[Ter]

What is the difference between Israel declaring itself a Jewish Nation State and the 25-odd Muslim-majority countries declaring themselves Islamic States ?


Muslim-majority countries classified by constitutional role for religion.
Islamic state
State religion
Secular state
Unclear / No declaration

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_wo ... mic_states

[danholo]

There is no reason for any modern liberal state to support existence of "Palestine"
it will be another shithole corrupted Arab country

Yes, this is true and the truth hurts. Better call the others racist and oppressors when you are capable of nothing better yourself.

I bet that if Israel wouldnt have been created Palestine wouldnt exist today as a country. it would be split between the Arab state or completely annexed by Syria/Jordan

That is probably the most likely scenario indeed.

[colliric]

What is the difference between Israel declaring itself a Jewish Nation State and the 25-odd Muslim-majority countries declaring themselves Islamic States ?

You are copying the very people you claim to dislike.

Your country is meant to be a westernised neo-euro-style(You are in Eurovision are you not?) country with strong seperation of Synagogue and State.....

Instead of this neo-religious "when we feel like it we will use the Bible/Tanakh to say this is our Godgiven land" apartheid bullshit. You want to be considered western, yet you act exactly like "South Africa pre-Mandela & in the middle east".

GO BACK TO BEING SECULAR LIKE WHEN THE UN SET YOU UP......

That is probably the most likely scenario indeed.

Yes and the Palestinian Islamics would have actually been happy with this staying in Islamic rule and lived better lives.

[Ter]

You are copying the very people you claim to dislike.

That has got nothing to do with it.
There are some crazy people trying to de-legitimise the idea of Israel as a country for the Jews and therefore the present government has legalised once and for all that this status will never change. I don't like it but I can't blame them.

Some fools can continue to talk about this place they call "Palestine" which is a mythical place, it does not exist. Like Atlantis

[skinster]

Israel is not a Jewish country no matter how many times that is stated by delusional zionists, it is an apartheid state filled with about 50% of Jews and other religions live there too, in that holy land for various religions.

[colliric]

That has got nothing to do with it.
There are some crazy people trying to de-legitimise the idea of Israel as a country for the Jews and therefore the present government has legalised once and for all that this status will never change. I don't like it but I can't blame them.

Some fools can continue to talk about this place they call "Palestine" which is a mythical place, it does not exist. Like Atlantis

Israel is biblically the people, not the land/country.....the country was called Judea/Judah and you know it...

Reminded you all too much of Rabbi Jesus Christ and the embarrassment of the fall of the second temple so instead you corrupted the meaning of the word Israel.

At least call it the Torah accurate name dammit!

"There are some crazy people trying to de-legitimise the idea of Judea/Judah as a country for Israel and therefore the present government has legalised once and for all that this status will never change. " There I corrected it.

Lol... Just kidding Ter. Don't take this post too seriously. Just having silly fun.

[Zionist Nationalist]

Israel is not a Jewish country no matter how many times that is stated by delusional zionists, it is an apartheid state filled with about 50% of Jews and other religions live there too, in that holy land for various religions.

Israel is a Jewish country whatever you like it or not just like China is a chinese country

your opinion is unimportant and wont change that

[Ter]

Israel is not a Jewish country no matter how many times that is stated

oh really ?
They could have fooled me, it is all written in Hebrew, it is chock-full of Jews and they are in power.
How is your "Great March of the Return" coming along ?

[skinster]

Okay I guess the native Palestinians and other groups can be called "Jews" in "Israel". Can you start sharing with them then now, since that rule gives you equal rights in the land?

Or:

Ter - check the Palestinian protests for updates from today.

[Ter]

Hundreds of Thousands of Israelis Now Eligible to Carry Firearms



TEL AVIV – Over half a million Israelis are now eligible to receive gun licenses after authorities significantly eased regulations with the stated aim of combating terror.

Any Israeli who has completed level 07 rifle training in the military, which includes hundreds of thousands of veterans of infantry units, can now legally carry firearms.

The old directives meant Israelis needed to prove that owning a firearm was necessary for their safety, for example if they lived in a dangerous area. Those with permits were also required to attend regular training sessions and undergo psychological testing.

The reform also stipulates that officers with the rank of first lieutenant and above will not be required to return their guns upon discharge.

There are currently around 145,000 gun-license holders in Israel at present, excluding soldiers, police and security guards. According to the Public Security Ministry, this number will likely grow by some 40,000 in the near future.

The loosened regulations also allow volunteer police and paramedics to apply for permits.

“Skilled civilians carrying a gun in public contribute to a sense of security, act as an important line of defense against lone-wolf terror attacks and … thus increase public security,” Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan said on Monday. The new policy, he said, “strikes a balance between the need to defend the public which might be at risk and the need to protect the public from incorrect use of a firearm.”

The lone-wolf terror attacks saw Palestinian individuals carry out stabbing, car-ramming or shooting attacks.

“Many citizens have saved lives during terror attacks, and in the era of ‘lone-wolf’ attacks, the more qualified gun-carrying citizens there are — the better the chance to thwart terror attacks without casualties and reduce the number of casualties,” Erdan said in a statement.

The new policy was criticized by the leader of the left-wing opposition party Meretz.

Guns “are a death machine whose civilian use needs to be reduced as much as possible,” Tamar Zandberg said in a statement. “Instead of dealing with the tremendous amount of illegal weapons on the streets endangering human lives, they are simply increasing the number of gun permits.”

https://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/201 ... -firearms/

Sad but necessary.
Will the Arabs continue to bring knives to gun fights ?

[skinster]

That's odd they restricted guns for citizens since the settlers occupying Palestine's West Bank are given free rein to walk around with machine guns while Palestinians occupied in that same area that they own aren't allowed to carry guns.

On a related note, those fucked up settlers occupying the West Bank are very regularly allowed to harass, attack and kill Palestinians without any repercussions from any authorities. In facts, IDF soldiers often stand around watching while settlers go on their frenzied attacks.

[Ter]

That's odd they restricted guns for citizens since the settlers occupying Palestine's West Bank are given free rein to walk around with machine guns while Palestinians occupied in that same area that they own aren't allowed to carry guns.

As long as the Arabs are trying to kill Jews they should indeed not have guns. It is that simple.

Also :

US set to announce it rejects Palestinian ‘right of return’ — TV report

Israel's Hadashot News says Trump Administration will also declare it opposes UN criteria for determining Palestinian refugees, and will move to further weaken UNRWA refugee agency

The Trump Administration will announce in the next few days that it rejects the long-standing Palestinian demand for a “right of return” for million of refugees and their descendants to Israel, an Israeli television report said Saturday night. The US will announce a policy that, “from its point of view, essentially cancels the ‘right of return,'” the report said.

The “right of return” is one of the key core issues of dispute in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The Palestinians claim that five million people — tens of thousands of original refugees from what is today’s Israel, and their millions of descendants — have a “right of return.” Israel rejects the demand, saying that it represents a bid by the Palestinians to destroy Israel by weight of numbers. Israel’s population is almost nine million, some three-quarters of whom are Jewish. An influx of millions would mean Israel could no longer be a Jewish-majority state.

According to the Hadashot TV report Saturday, the US in early September will set out its policy on the issue. It will produce a report that says there are actually only some half-a-million Palestinians who should be legitimately considered refugees, and make plain that it rejects the UN designation under which the millions of descendants of the original refugees are also considered refugees. The definition is the basis for the activities of UNRWA, the UN’s Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees.

The US — which on Friday announced that it had decided to cut more than $200 million in aid to the Palestinians — and has also cut back its funding for UNRWA — will also ask Israel to “reconsider” the mandate that Israel gives to UNRWA to operate in the West Bank. The goal of such a change, the TV report said, would be to prevent Arab nations from legitimately channeling aid to UNRWA in the West Bank.

Created in 1949 in the wake of the 1948 War of Independence, UNRWA operates schools and provides health care and other social services to Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria.

Hadashot said the new US position represented a further endorsement of Israel’s positions, months after the administration recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and relocated the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

The TV report said officials at the Trump Administration National Security Agency were refusing to comment on the story, but that the officials said that “the administration will announce its policy on UNRWA at the appropriate time.”

Earlier this month, Foreign Policy reported that Jared Kushner, US President Donald Trump’s senior adviser and son-in-law, has been pushing to remove the refugee status of millions of Palestinians as part of an apparent effort to shutter UNRWA.

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has called in the past for UNRWA to be “dismantled.” Last July, for instance, he accused the organization of inciting against Israel while doing nothing to help the plight of Palestinian refugees. He asked why they needed a specific body, when the UN High Commission for Refugees has helped tens of millions of displaced persons since World War II. “The time has come to dismantle UNRWA and have its parts be integrated into the UN High Commission for Refugees,” he said, accusing the body of “perpetuating” the plight of Palestinian refugees.

On Friday, the head of UNRWA suggested that the United States had been slashing his budget to punish the Palestinians for their criticism of the American recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, and warned that the Palestinian refugee issue would not go away.

“One cannot simply wish 5 million people away,” Pierre Kraehenbuehl, the UNRWA commissioner, said.

On Friday, the State Department announced a cut of more than $200 million in aid to the Palestinians, indicating that those tax-payer funds no longer served American interests.

The Palestinian Authority condemned the move as an attempt to “blackmail” the Palestinians into abandoning their demand for East Jerusalem and the Old City to serve as the capital of their hoped-for independent Palestinian state.

Friday’s move was the declared result of a review of US assistance to the Palestinian Authority that Trump ordered in January, following Palestinian outrage over his decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and move the US embassy there.

“As a result of that review, at the direction of the president, we will direct more than $200 million … in Economic Support Funds originally planned for programs in the West Bank and Gaza,” a State Department official said. “Those funds will now address high-priority projects elsewhere.”

This is not the first time Trump has cut longstanding aid bound to the Palestinians. In January, the White House announced it also would withhold $65 million in assistance to UNRWA.

Earlier this month, the administration released millions of dollars in frozen aid to the PA, but only for Israeli-Palestinian security cooperation, an administration source said.

The funds withheld Friday are directed toward health and educational programs, as well as initiatives to make Palestinian governance more efficient. They are used both in the PA-administered West Bank and the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

The Trump administration said the terror group’s control of Gaza was one of the main reasons it wanted to cease its aid to the coastal enclave.

“This decision takes into account the challenges the international community faces in providing assistance in Gaza, where Hamas control endangers the lives of Gaza’s citizens and degrades an already dire humanitarian and economic situation,” the State Department official said.

The official did not give an exact amount of the funds to be cut, but said it is more than $200 million that was approved in 2017. The US had planned to give the Palestinians $251 million for good governance, health, education, and funding for civil society in the current budget year that ends September 30. But with just over a month to go before that money must be used, reprogrammed to other areas, or returned to the Treasury, less than half has actually been spent.

Washington’s withdrawal of the aid comes as Trump’s team tasked with brokering an Israeli-Palestinian accord is expected to release its long-awaited peace plan.

Kushner and Trump’s special envoy for Middle East peace Jason Greenblatt are expected to roll out the proposal in the near future, though they have provided no timetable for when that might happen.

Friday’s move was immediately castigated by the Palestinians, who said the cuts were “cheap blackmail.”

PLO Executive Committee member Dr. Hanan Ashrawi said the Trump administration “has already demonstrated meanness of spirit in its collusion with the Israeli occupation and its theft of land and resources; now it is exercising economic meanness by punishing the Palestinian victims of this occupation.”

Liberal US Jewish groups also cast the cuts as detrimental to efforts, and said they would exacerbate Palestinian suffering.

The left-wing Middle East advocacy group J Street said Trump’s decision would “have a devastating impact on innocent women, children, and families,” arguing that they were intended to “cruelly punish Palestinian civilians and marginalize and undercut Palestinian leadership.”

On Tuesday, Trump told a campaign rally in Charleston, West Virginia, that Israel will “pay a higher price” and the Palestinians “will get something very good” in any future negotiations in return for the US having recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

“It was a good thing to have done,” Trump said of his recognition of Jerusalem and the relocation of the US embassy to the capital, “because we took it off the table. Because every time there were peace talks, they never got past Jerusalem becoming the capital. So I said, let’s take it off the table. And you know what? In the negotiation, Israel will have to pay a higher price, because they won a very big thing.”

Later, seeking to allay Israeli concerns, senior US officials told Israel’s Channel 10 that “the US will not impose unacceptable conditions on Israel in its peace plan.”

UNRWA grants refugee status to all descendants of Palestinians who left or fled Israel with the establishment of the state in 1948, swelling the number to an estimated five million at present, when the number of actual refugees from that conflict is estimated to be in the low tens of thousands. In peace talks, the Palestinian leadership has always demanded a “right of return” to Israel for these millions — an influx that, if accepted by Israel, would spell the end of the Israel as a majority Jewish state.

Israel argues that the Palestinian demand is an UNRWA-facilitated effort to destroy Israel by demographic means. The Palestinians also seek an independent state in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem. Months of ongoing violent protests fueled by Hamas at the Gaza border with Israel were initiated in March under the banner of a “March of the Return,” and encouraged by Hamas leaders with the declared ultimate goal of erasing the border and destroying Israel.

Israel often argues that an independent Palestinian state, if agreed upon in negotiations, would absorb Palestinian refugees and their descendants, just as Israel absorbed Jewish refugees from Middle Eastern and north African countries over the decades.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-set-to ... tv-report/

Finally that nonsense of four million "refugees" can be put to bed.
All that breeding was for nothing, boys.
I hope they enjoyed it but overrunning Israel with their hordes, no, sorry, will not happen. Ever.

[skinster]

As long as the Arabs are trying to kill Jews they should indeed not have guns. It is that simple.

They're not trying to "kill Jews", they're trying to stop Jews/zionists from making them dead, stealing more and more land, their homes, killing their children etc.

zionists play victims while being obvious fascists, it is a wonder to observe. Imagine if the nazis played victim while doing what they did. The chutzpah!

Also, the right of return for Palestinian refugees to their homes and land, something enshrined in international law and reaffirmed repeatedly by the UN is still a thing, and why we BDS and why BDS is the gift that keeps on giving. The right of return is yet to be allowed by Israel so they'll just end up learning the hard way. Your non-news-story is something that hasn't changed anything on the ground since the creation of Israel on top of Palestine in the 1940s.

[Oxymoron]

They stopped doing that millenia ago....

Certainly in 1948 they weren't doing that anymore.

So its a matter of time? Fine so look on the bright side, your issues with Israel will end in due time... so why worry about it.

[Ter]

zionists play victims while being obvious fascists, it is a wonder to observe. Imagine if the nazis played victim while doing what they did. The chutzpah!

That is a nice zionist/nazi comparison, I give you a D for effort. But nobody cares about your propaganda.

Also, the right of return for Palestinian refugees to their homes and land, something enshrined in international law and reaffirmed repeatedly by the UN is still a thing

No, it's not. 80% of who you call refugees are no longer refugees. They are Egyptians, Jordanians and other Arabs.

and why we BDS and why BDS is the gift that keeps on giving

Yes lol, the BDS. SodaStream moved its factory from Judea to the Negev under BDS pressure and because of that lots of Arabs lost their jobs. Soda Stream was bought by Pepsi Cola last week for 3 billion or so dollars. Every of the 3,500 employees got a US$ 18,000 bonus. The actress Scarlet Johnson against who BDS called a boycott because she is the spokeswoman for SodaStream is doing very well and was the best paid actress last year. SodaStream exports its products to 69 countries. What a BDS success !

The right of return is yet to be allowed by Israel so they'll just end up learning the hard way

It is never going to happen except in your dreams. There is no reasoning possible with those Arabs, they want everything, "from the river to the sea". So they'll get nothing.

[colliric]

That is a nice zionist/nazi comparison, I give you a D for effort. But nobody cares about your propaganda.

Lol, you are a funny bugger Ter.

It is never going to happen except in your dreams. There is no reasoning possible with those Arabs, they want everything, "from the river to the sea". So they'll get nothing.

The Jews want the whole "Original 'Biblical' Country" themselves and you know it. Both of you want River to Sea. There is no reasoning possible from EITHER SIDE...