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JERUSALEM — One host, Moriyah, lists the location of her bed-and-breakfast on Airbnb, the home rental site, as Biblical Shiloh, Israel.
It sleeps up to 12 guests for under $140 a night. It has a hot tub. And the area around it offers hikes and springs, workshops and holistic treatments.
What the listing does not make clear is that this B&B, named “Peace of the Valley,” lies in a Jewish settlement in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.
Most of the world considers the settlements, built on land Israel captured in the 1967 war, to be a violation of international law. Even the Israeli authorities have deemed illegal some of the unauthorized outposts where Airbnb accommodations can be found.
On Monday, Airbnb, long under pressure from Palestinian officials, anti-settlement advocates and human rights groups to end its West Bank settlement listings, announced it would do just that.
“We are most certainly not the experts when it comes to the historical disputes in this region,” the company said in a news release. “Our team has wrestled with this issue and we have struggled to come up with the right approach.”
In the end, the company said it would remove about 200 listings in West Bank settlements that “are at the core of the dispute between Israelis and Palestinians.”
The decision prompted an immediate uproar in Israel.
Israel’s tourism minister, Yariv Levin, called on Airbnb to rescind its “discriminatory decision,” which he called “a disgraceful surrender.” He said he had ordered his office to come up with immediate measures to limit the company’s activity throughout the country, without elaborating.
Referring to the West Bank by its biblical names, Mr. Levin said he had also instructed his ministry to promote a program to encourage tourism and accommodation in vacation apartments throughout Judea and Samaria.
Gilad Erdan, Israel’s minister of strategic affairs, also took issue with Airbnb’s decision.
“National conflicts exist all over the world,” said Mr. Erdan, whose duties include combating the so-called B.D.S. movement, for boycott, divestment and sanctions. “The senior management of Airbnb will have to explain why they specifically, and uniquely, chose to implement this political and discriminatory decision in the case of citizens of the state of Israel.”
Mr. Erdan called on the Airbnb hosts affected to file lawsuits against the company under Israel’s anti-boycott law. He also said he would take up the matter with American officials to discuss whether the decision violated anti-boycott legislation that exists in 25 states.

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Zionist Nationalist wrote:Im all for them to pull out completely from Israel so we they wont make money here at all
boycott them


You can celebrate with a Sodastream... Lol.

You can dish it out, but you can't take it yourself?

How'd you like them bananas? Not so smug about the Sodastream "victory" now are we?
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BDS is a minor annoyance

airbnb is not something important there are many alternatives for it

BDS can only achieve succes if they manage to make countries to sanction Israel which isnt gonna happen
all they are will achieve is boycott by some artists or some private companies which is not a big deal
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Clearly, AirBNB is antisemitic. they only have a problem with Israel. As if Israel is the only country in the world that has a land dispute. What a pile of garbage!
How about boycotting the Chinese over Tibet or Moroccans over Sahara or Russians over Crimea or...I can least about 40 land disputes that are in progress right now. They only have problem with the Jews!

Here is another thing, so if a Jewish American list a property in Judea then according to AirBNB its a problem. But if am Arab American list a property in Judea then its ok? Arab listings are still UP!

Anyway, AirBNB will be in court soon! Boycotts never work.
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Metoo wrote:How about boycotting the Chinese over Tibet or Moroccans over Sahara or Russians over Crimea or...I can least about 40 land disputes that are in progress right now. They only have problem with the Jews!


Your examples are all shit.

China has stabalized Tibet to the point where even the Dali Lama no longer believes gunning for independence against suicidal odds is a positive thing. Stupid example. He even stated he believed he was the last Dali Lama and might not "respawn" this time. Even the Tibetan people know this. They're now working for independence by diplomacy.

A better Chinese example would be Taiwan, but then the Mainland doesn't have any fucken "settlements" in Taiwan. Technically anyone who moves from the Mainland to Taiwan is a fucken Mandarin Chinese migrant moving to another Mandarin speaking country. Can't put Settlements in a place already settled by your own people over a century back.

Your other examples are also shit.

None have settlements in "another country", all are already part of the one country even if there is a dispute on the exact nature of it.

This is why they have a problem with Israel.

ISRAEL HAS SETTLEMENTS IN WHAT IS TECHNICALLY A FOREIGN COUNTRY....

Piss off
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Zionist Nationalist wrote:BTW why dont they remove themselves from Crimea too?
They continue to operate there despite the occupation

The Crimea is almost the complete opposite of the West Bank and Gaza. The overwhelming majority of Crimeans welcomed their liberation from under the Ukrainian jack boot and their Neo Nazi militias.
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colliric wrote:Your examples are all shit.


My examples are shit? Wow! Manners, dear boy…manners! This is not a duel, we are in a civilized forum, aren’t we? Chill!

colliric wrote:China has stabalized Tibet to the point where even the Dali Lama no longer believes gunning for independence against suicidal odds is a positive thing. Stupid example. He even stated he believed he was the last Dali Lama and might not "respawn" this time. Even the Tibetan people know this. They're now working for independence by diplomacy.


You do not know what you are talking about. Your comments are uneducated. Tell me, where did you get your law degree? Did you go to ‘what’s the matter U’? May not be a bad idea for you to consult a local university that teaches international law.

From a legal standpoint, Tibet has to this day not lost its statehood. It is an independent state under illegal occupation. Neither China's military invasion nor the continuing occupation has transferred the sovereignty of Tibet to China. The Chinese government has never claimed to have acquired sovereignty over Tibet by conquest. Indeed, China recognizes that the use or threat of force (outside the exceptional circumstances provided for in the UN Charter), the imposition of an unequal treaty or the continued illegal occupation of a country can never grant an invader legal title to territory. Its claims are based solely on the alleged subjection of Tibet to a few of China's strongest foreign rulers in the thirteenth and eighteenth centuries.

Get it?

This is not emotional, dear boy, it is legalities!

colliric wrote:A better Chinese example would be Taiwan, but then the Mainland doesn't have any fucken "settlements" in Taiwan. Technically anyone who moves from the Mainland to Taiwan is a fucken Mandarin Chinese migrant moving to another Mandarin speaking country. Can't put Settlements in a place already settled by your own people over a century back.


No, Taiwan IS NOT a better example. Taiwan is NOT a member of UN and as such tere is not way to compare Taiwan to that of Israel. Israel IS a UN member. Apples to oranges here! Get it?

colliric wrote:Your other examples are also shit.

None have settlements in "another country", all are already part of the one country even if there is a dispute on the exact nature of it.

This is why they have a problem with Israel.

ISRAEL HAS SETTLEMENTS IN WHAT IS TECHNICALLY A FOREIGN COUNTRY....

Piss off


Wow! I must have struck nerve with you! Ok, - I’ll play…Israel has no settlements. Those are the words of the aggrieved party, - namely the Palestinian Arabs. Israel has no settlements in any country recognized as a country by the nations of the world. Palestine is NOT a country, it has NEVER been a country and UN has not recognized it as a country. You have no case!

The land you are so pissed off about is a disputed land, not occupied land. No court in world will ever take this case and adjudicate it. It can only be solved by three different means, - either by agreement, which is preferable, or by armed conflict which is frankly more likely as time goes on, or by a unilateral Israeli action. There is nothing else. Israel might succumb to US pressure to give Palestinian Arabs land without a final agreement, as Trump’s peace plan most likely to advocate. However, this does not address a status of what you call settlements. It may be a different country to you, but it is not to the majority of the Israeli electorate or the Worlds Jewish community.

Let’s get back to you laughable assertion that “…None have settlements in ‘another country’…"
Chechen's, just like the Palestinian Arabs, think that Russia is an invader. Russians however laugh at those sentiments. Northern Ossetia is a part of Russia now, as it is a federal subject of Russia officially. Ask Georgians how do they feel about it? Georgians disagree, but they lost a war with Russia and so they shut up. Get it? Do you see the point here or do I need to chew this up some more for you?

I am trying to show you that there are many land disputes in the world, similar in nature to Palestinian-Israeli land dispute. However, you only have ‘hots’ for the Jews, don’t you? Why don’t you boycott the Russians, the Chinese, the Moroccans, the Turks, etc. ?

No…you only want to boycott the Jews! That makes you an anti-Semite.
…or perhaps you simply do not have a gift for logic? Well, in this case, - I feel for you…
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Metoo wrote:No, Taiwan IS NOT a better example. Taiwan is NOT a member of UN and as such tere is not way to compare Taiwan to that of Israel. Israel IS a UN member. Apples to oranges here! Get it?


Tibet has already been invaded decades ago and despite what you say the tensions have cooled off recently.

Also I was saying Taiwan was a better Chinese comparison to Palestine not Israel. Israel is obviously mainland Communist China in this comparison.

Both countries, and indeed their major ruling parties technically traditionally claim sovereignty over the entire land of China. In fact Taiwan is actually called The Republic Of China and is still Kuomintang dominated despite them being the Opposition party currently and the party still largely holds on to its RIGHTEOUS dream of returning to the Mainland.

This is similar to the situation between the Palestinians (a large chunk of whom @skinster should admit claim sovereignty over traditional Palestine entire) and Israel (basically taking everything by force already and pushing the Gazans into the sea oh and they claim sovereignty over "everything in the Tanakh").

Indeed the Communist Party technically took China by an internationally illegal coup.

Main difference is Taiwan is surrounded by the sea already so the CCP can't invade without losing a shitload of soldiers etc, The US openly supports the right side in this fucken dispute and traditionally will defend Taiwan independence (but not help them retake the mainland), sending missiles back and forth is useless as they're all Han Chinese speaking Mandarin and it'll look like their murdering fellow Chinese. Making "mainland settlements" is useless as a tactic to take over the country and land. The Settlement tactic only works on ethnically foreign countries, if everyone is already Chinese how are you going to project an image of the Chinese influence and population being on the rise?

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