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#15010124
Beren wrote:I'd rather bet he'd rather stay neutral.


he would make a poker face but he knows aswell that there is none better than trump for Israel at the moment and would still work behind the scenes to support trump just like Netanyahu did (or at least let the lobbies do their job)
#15010125
Zionist Nationalist wrote:he would make a poker face but he knows aswell that there is none better than trump for Israel at the moment and would still work behind the scenes to support trump just like Netanyahu did (or at least let the lobbies do their job)

Are you sure of that just because you're convinced Trump is so good for Israel?
#15010237
Zionist Nationalist wrote:Gantz is not running alone thats why he isnt really deciding things also even if he gets elected he would still support trump because any democrat candidate will be bad for Israel


How would electing Bernie Sanders be bad for Israel?

I know it would be a bad image for the Jewish community if he took that traditional picture with the Chabad Rabbis leaning over him..... Certainly that won't go down well for Jews in alot of places in America.

But how would it be bad for Israel having a Jew in the Whitehouse? Bernie is not an anti-zionist.
#15010240
colliric wrote:How would electing Bernie Sanders be bad for Israel?

I know it would be a bad image for the Jewish community if he took that traditional picture with the Chabad Rabbis leaning over him..... Certainly that won't go down well for Jews in alot of places in America.

But how would it be bad for Israel having a Jew in the Whitehouse? Bernie is not an anti-zionist.

Bernie Sanders is a socialist. Israel has already went through that experiment. It doesn't work well.
#15010244
Hindsite wrote:Bernie Sanders is a socialist. Israel has already went through that experiment. It doesn't work well.


Bernie isn't a Socialist, we had that argument already and you lost. However, it's good to see that you're admitting that Israel is pretty Socialist, although less and less as time goes by.
#15010246
annatar1914 wrote:Bernie isn't a Socialist, we had that argument already and you lost. However, it's good to see that you're admitting that Israel is pretty Socialist, although less and less as time goes by.

Bernie has actually said that he is a Democratic Socialist in his policies, but likes capitalism to get rich, even though he will not admit that part. Israel is a lot less socialist and much more capitalist now, since pure democratic socialism wasn't working.
Praise the Lord.
#15010249
Israel indeed used to be pretty socialist, especially the kibbutzim where everything including raising the kids was communal. To a lesser extent the moshavim where they only shared the equipment and capital investments.
All that irrevocably changed when the Arabs started hijacking planes and denying Israel's right to exist as a Jewish State. I said it before and I repeat it here : it is the Arabs and their terrorist tactics that brought the right wingers in the government.
#15010344
colliric wrote:How would electing Bernie Sanders be bad for Israel?

I know it would be a bad image for the Jewish community if he took that traditional picture with the Chabad Rabbis leaning over him..... Certainly that won't go down well for Jews in alot of places in America.

But how would it be bad for Israel having a Jew in the Whitehouse? Bernie is not an anti-zionist.


Bernie is not our friend he will be like Obama will not defend Israel on the political stage
and willl try to push Israel for negotiations despite the fact that there is none to negotiate with on the other side
#15010345
Ter wrote:Israel indeed used to be pretty socialist, especially the kibbutzim where everything including raising the kids was communal. To a lesser extent the moshavim where they only shared the equipment and capital investments.
All that irrevocably changed when the Arabs started hijacking planes and denying Israel's right to exist as a Jewish State. I said it before and I repeat it here : it is the Arabs and their terrorist tactics that brought the right wingers in the government.



if Oslo accords would succeed Israel today would be dominated by socialists and leftists

We can thank Arafat for pushing Israel permanently to the right
#15010525
Lol at Zionists blaming anything but Zionism for being rightwing. It always was in Palestine and the same is true for today. It is a lie that it was ever socialist. Not sure where any famous socialists argued for racist settler-colonialism, got a link? :?:
#15010551
But more importantly it's unarguably true that the Arabs' approach failed completely and the Palestinians are more oppressed and further from having a state than ever while Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia are allied with Israel, which is kind of ironic.
#15010552
Beren wrote:Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia are allied with Israel

And most of the Gulf States as well.
They allied with Israel because of Iran, the mother of all terrorist supporters and the state which threatens America, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Yemen among others.
The people of Iran are nice and peace loving but they are ruled by the worst sons of bitches in this corner of the Galaxy :)
#15010554
Zionist Nationalist wrote:if Oslo accords would succeed Israel today would be dominated by socialists and leftists

We can thank Arafat for pushing Israel permanently to the right


Lol. Blame the Palestinians and Arafat for the fact your country didn't keep up it's end of the bargain.

The Oslo accords were such a great step forward.... But trashed by the Zionists of cause, because "who wants a left wing government!".

Well Gantz is going to win this time anyway.
#15010559
The Oslo Accords were doomed to fail anyway, it was too late then. The Palestinians only had a chance until the USSR collapsed, but they screwed it. They didn't manage to destroy Israel as well as they couldn't establish a Palestinian state, but they never gave up either. I used the word "approach" absolutely intentionally, because I wonder if they had a strategy at all.
#15010597
colliric wrote:Lol. Blame the Palestinians and Arafat for the fact your country didn't keep up it's end of the bargain.

The Oslo accords were such a great step forward.... But trashed by the Zionists of cause, because "who wants a left wing government!".

Well Gantz is going to win this time anyway.


Yeah a great step forward
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Arafat never intended to comply with the Oslo accord he got everything he needed to start a new intifada he thousands of his men returned from Tunis
in 1993 and he started the second intifada in 2000 to make life unberable for the Israelis and Israel only properly responded in 2002 (the response should have been immediate) by conducting operation defensive shield and building the wall which eventually stopped the suicide bombers


Well Gantz is going to win this time anyway.


no he wont right now netanyahu is holding up on 36 mandates despite everything and gantz is down to 34

the right block is 71 mandates while the left are 49
#15010821
Lol at people still blaming anyone but the Zionists and their allies for what happened to Palestine. Oslo was a joke just like Camp David, because at the exact same time Zionists were settling in and taking over the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza.

The lie in the Balfour Agreement about Palestinians also having a state alongside Israel was never part of the plan, taking all of Palestine was the plan and what is the plan. Not only that, but expanding into other countries as Israel did in Syria and did and failed in Egypt and Lebanon. Arafat agreed to take just 22% of Palestine - even though Balfour offered 45% - but even that was too much for the Zionists to give up, because as I said and as is the reality on the ground, all of Palestine is what Zionists want.

And they have it, albeit with more than half of their population being non-Jews, which kind of defeats the notion of "a Jewish state" being a thing, but I suppose that's by the by...
#15010824
The lie in the Balfour Agreement about Palestinians also having a state alongside Israel was never part of the plan, taking all of Palestine was the plan and what is the plan. Not only that, but expanding into other countries as Israel did in Syria and did and failed in Egypt and Lebanon


source?


And they have it, albeit with more than half of their population being non-Jews, which kind of defeats the notion of "a Jewish state" being a thing, but I suppose that's by the by...


They not are citizens and not considered as part of Israel
#15010856
skinster wrote:The lie in the Balfour Agreement about Palestinians also having a state alongside Israel was never part of the plan, taking all of Palestine was the plan and what is the plan. Not only that, but expanding into other countries as Israel did in Syria and did and failed in Egypt and Lebanon. Arafat agreed to take just 22% of Palestine - even though Balfour offered 45% - but even that was too much for the Zionists to give up, because as I said and as is the reality on the ground, all of Palestine is what Zionists want.

I can agree that the plan for the Zionist is to claim all the land God promised to their people. That is very logical.
#15011117
Zionist Nationalist wrote:source?


For which part that you quoted?

[/quote]They not are citizens and not considered as part of Israel[/quote]

Over a million of them are in what's known as "Israel proper". Nevertheless, they 4 million others live there and we know they're not "citizens" because Israel allows them few to no rights.
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