Victoribus Spolia wrote:False, I never said it should be weighted different, I only mentioned that it was older and less ambiguous.
I said you
implied it.
And if you mentioned it, there is a reason why. Considering your support for a religious right to discriminate, it makes sense to assume you mentioned it as a support for your position.
Not only that, but if you actually believe that these rights exist independent of this state's context and if such are legitimate and why.
The context is whether or not churches should get a religious exemption from the law that forbids discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation.
Therefore, the relevant right is protection from discrimination.
What institutional power would a small evangelical church be expressing in a country like, lets say, Turkey? Would it be okay for them to discriminate against muslims who were in the majority in that instance? OR would it still be unacceptable?
This is the trouble with these hypothetical arguments based solely on logic and morality is that they ignore the historical reality that created our current world.
I am making a factual (not moral) argument about how powerful institutions can discriminate while less powerful groups and people cannot. I am claiming they can do so because certain historical events made them powerful in today’s society.
Now, a small evangelical church in Turkey has very little institutional power in Turkey, and this is because of the history of Turkey. And because of they lack institutional power, it would be very difficult for them to discriminate against Muslims. It may even be dangerous. In that context, it would be in their self interest to ally with progressives who oppose religious discrimination or religious exemptions to anti-discrimination laws.
If they were able to discriminate against Muslims, they would need institutional power. To get that power, there would need to have been a different history in Turkey. And if Turkey had had a different history, evangelicals would not be a minority.
Now, if you wish to look at the
moral question if whether or not it would be acceptable for a small powerless evangelical church to discriminate against Muslims in some weird ahistorical Turkey where religious minorities have weird amounts of power, feel free. I find it as relevant as discussing hunting unicorns.
Likewise, Christians are a minority compared to the non-religious in Australia, so how are they not a minority? At what point would they be a minority in your opinion?
Religion in Australia is diverse. Section 116 of the Constitution of Australia of 1901 prohibits the Commonwealth government from establishing a church or interfering with the freedom of religion.[note 1] In an optional question on the 2016 Census, 52.2% of the Australian population declared some variety of Christianity. Historically the percentage was far higher; now, the religious landscape of Australia is changing and diversifying.[1] In 2016, 30.1% of Australians stated "no religion" and a further 9.6% chose not to answer the question.[1] Other faiths include Muslims (2.6%), Buddhists (2.4%), Hindus (1.9%), Sikhs (0.5%), and Jews (0.4%).[1]As per the 2016 Census, Sikhism is the fastest growing religion in Australia which showed a 74% increase from the 2011 census followed by Hinduism(60% increase) and Irreligion(48% increase).[3]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_AustraliaWell, I can defend from logic the absolute right of private property and voluntary association; thus implying the right to discriminate.
So unless you are willing to challenge my position on this, i wouldn't make claims you can't support.
Feel free.
As far as i can tell, this double standard (religious bodies can discriminate while other institutions cannot) is based solely on an appeal to tradition, and the institutional power of Christian churches in Australia.
What harm is a Catholic school causing by saying that it wants only to have consistent practicing catholics to be the instructors for their students? Please explain.
LGBTQ people would get fired simply because of ther sexual orientation.
Students would get expellled, for the same reason.