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#15169429
What's it like to be Uighur?

"The (CCP) crackdown on Uighur and other Muslim minorities in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region (XUAR) has attracted intense scrutiny and polarized the international community. At least
1 million people, maybe
as many as 1.5 million, have been detained in a large network of recently constructed camps, where they undergo
forced reeducation and political indoctrination.

What is happening in Xinjiang is deeply concerning and abhorrent. Trying to change it, however, is difficult. Any attempt to do so requires a
full and clear understanding of the threat perceptions that are driving China’s behavior in the region, particularly this most recent strategy of intensified collective repression.

U.S. rhetoric and policy can and should focus on the huge number of innocent people who are caught up in China’s counterterrorism dragnet. It is vital that policymakers communicate to the people who have suffered from these policies, and their loved ones in China and abroad, that the United States and the international community see that the CCP’s policies are targeting and punishing innocent people who are not “terrorists” in any reasonable definition of the word. And it is vital that the international community continue to find ways to apply pressure to China over the human rights consequences of its current approach, as well as limit its attempts to alter current international human rights norms in a direction favorable to Beijing."

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2020/03/04/understanding-chinas-preventive-repression-in-xinjiang/
#15169472
@Russianbear I do think it is interesting but Australia being sort of founded as an ex penal colony of England and the UK?

I hate to say it but the truth is that a lot of racism has to do with colonialism. One group just removing indigenous or aboriginal people off of the land and coming up with this--we improved things for everyone because we came, we saw and we conquered. The land was just sitting there not being productive, and the real Aussies are English, Irish, Scottish, etc. Not Latin Americans or Africans or Asians, etc.

It has to do with fear for sure.

The young man with Sudanese ancestry is very intelligent. And mature.
#15169487
Everyday racism exists in Australia because of a small minority of rude people without good manners. But when it comes to institutional racism, most Aboriginals prefer to live in their own community as hunter-gatherers without getting educated on Western values. Past experiments of forced integration were labeled as cultural genocide. It is actually shocking to see how their society works in the modern era, which has to do with their Denisovan ancestry (6% of their genome). Both Australian/New Guinea populations and Philippine populations like the Mamanwa have subsequently mixed with new immigrants who lacked any sign of Denisovan ancestry. Prior to this later mixture, the ancestors of those populations must have been more Denisovan – Reich et al. (2011) estimate 7%.

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The attached figure shows the populations in Southeast Asia and Oceania with and without Denisova ancestry. The blackened circles (New Guineans, Aboriginal Australians, etc.) represent the groups with the most Denisovan genetic material discovered to date; an estimated 4 to 6 percent of their genetic material comes from archaic Denisovans. The pie charts show the other populations in relation to them.

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The Mamanwa (green triangles) Denisovan material cannot be explained by Near Oceanian gene flow.

Abstract
It has recently been shown that ancestors of New Guineans and Bougainville Islanders have inherited a proportion of their ancestry from Denisovans, an archaic hominin group from Siberia. However, only a sparse sampling of populations from Southeast Asia and Oceania were analyzed. Here, we quantify Denisova admixture in 33 additional populations from Asia and Oceania. Aboriginal Australians, Near Oceanians, Polynesians, Fijians, east Indonesians, and Mamanwa (a "Negrito" group from the Philippines) have all inherited genetic material from Denisovans, but mainland East Asians, western Indonesians, Jehai (a Negrito group from Malaysia), and Onge (a Negrito group from the Andaman Islands) have not. These results indicate that Denisova gene flow occurred into the common ancestors of New Guineans, Australians, and Mamanwa but not into the ancestors of the Jehai and Onge and suggest that relatives of present-day East Asians were not in Southeast Asia when the Denisova gene flow occurred. Our finding that descendants of the earliest inhabitants of Southeast Asia do not all harbor Denisova admixture is inconsistent with a history in which the Denisova interbreeding occurred in mainland Asia and then spread over Southeast Asia, leading to all its earliest modern human inhabitants. Instead, the data can be most parsimoniously explained if the Denisova gene flow occurred in Southeast Asia itself. Thus, archaic Denisovans must have lived over an extraordinarily broad geographic and ecological range, from Siberia to tropical Asia.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3188841/
#15169490
Tainari88 wrote:@Russianbear I do think it is interesting but Australia being sort of founded as an ex penal colony of England and the UK?

I hate to say it but the truth is that a lot of racism has to do with colonialism. One group just removing indigenous or aboriginal people off of the land and coming up with this--we improved things for everyone because we came, we saw and we conquered. The land was just sitting there not being productive, and the real Aussies are English, Irish, Scottish, etc. Not Latin Americans or Africans or Asians, etc.

It has to do with fear for sure.

The young man with Sudanese ancestry is very intelligent. And mature.


The British Empire and their colonies were founded on the assumption of the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race as well as the extermination of millions of indigenous peoples and the exploitation of enslaved millions black Africans.
The worst kind of Anglo-Saxon racism has been manifested through the genocidal colonial racism that has destroyed many human lives and civilizations.
Naturally, this type of racism is still very present in the British colony called Australia, where the Anglo-Saxon privileged elite continues to oppress the non-Anglo-Saxon population, despite the constant protests of the world's humanitarian organizations for human rights.
The genocide of the Aborigines was committed by the British not by the French, Germans, Russians, Greeks, Italians, or Chinese.
Despite all the undeniable historical facts, there is the latest trend of revisionist historical generalization in the Australian media and even in academic circles where “Europeans” and ”whites” are held accountable for this crime without mentioning the British colonial empire.
In democratic and sovereign countries, in accordance with the constitution (de Jure), citizens are free and equal people, where no one has inherited rights superior to others and who collectively possess sovereignty.
Unfortunately, Australia to this day remains a British colony with a British flag and a British monarch, who is de jure "Above the Law" as Australian head of state, which, among other things, prevents Australia from building its own cultural and national identity.
As a result of that in accordance with Australian constitution this country in fact does not even have citizens but the “British Subject’ or ‘subject of the her Majesty' which is a projection of feudal caste system that is still present in Britain (Subject is derived from the Latin words, sub and jacio, and means one who is under the power of another looking up to a master)
As a result of that if someone literally yesterday came from Britain he has a better chance of being accepted as an Australian than person who was born and raised in Australia but whose parents are not of Anglo-Saxon descent.
To emphasize their privileged position and underestimate others, the Anglo-Saxons do not hesitate to use racist names in their daily lives for the non-Anglo-Saxon population, such as wogs, abbos, lebos, slopes, etc. On the other hand, they use expressions to show their superiority like True Blue Aussies, Real Aussies and so on.
In all major Australian cites like Melbourne and Sydney population with Anglo-Saxon origin is well below 50% in comparison with others.
Despite all this, thanks to the colonial status and a racist discriminatory policy, the privileged Anglo-Saxon population is represented by more than 95% in the police force, over 97% in the executive government institutions and over 90% in the military.
Although most of the non-Anglo Anglo population in Australia works hard and study, the corrupt Anglo elite has concentrated on the civil service and government, enjoying all the privileges at the expense of taxpayers' money.
In such a social and political environment, the Anglo-Saxon political elite and the mainstream media are waging a propaganda war against China, inciting racial hatred towards the Chinese people in an attempt to use China as a scapegoat.
This could give them a welcome diversion from the growing decadence among the privileged Anglo-Saxon class, which has recently been seen in a series of scandals and orgies in the Australian Parliament in which officials raped colleagues in ministerial offices and filmed them masturbating at their boss tables.
#15169499
Tainari88 wrote:@Russianbear I do think it is interesting but Australia being sort of founded as an ex penal colony of England and the UK?

I hate to say it but the truth is that a lot of racism has to do with colonialism. One group just removing indigenous or aboriginal people off of the land and coming up with this--we improved things for everyone because we came, we saw and we conquered. The land was just sitting there not being productive, and the real Aussies are English, Irish, Scottish, etc. Not Latin Americans or Africans or Asians, etc.

It has to do with fear for sure.

The young man with Sudanese ancestry is very intelligent. And mature.


A huge difference should be noted between the British and Irish colonists who were forcibly brought to the largest British Gulag in the history of the world called Australia.
The British were brought in as convicted criminals while the Irish were prisoners of war or dissidents fighting to liberate their country from British occupation.
From this perspective the term "Anglo-Celtic population" is morally unacceptable.

British didn't use only African people as slaves.

First British slaves in America actually were Irish.


"On the 27 August 2019 the Democratic Party Presidential Candidate Kamala Harris marked the 400th anniversary of the first recorded importation of enslaved Africans to Virginia by calling for a reckoning with her country’s “history of slavery and institutional racism.”

Two days later the frequent Fox News contributor and right wing author Janie Johnson (who has circa 210,000 followers on Twitter) tweeted a rhetorical response to Harris stating “What about the Irish the FIRST slaves of America?” the implication being that Irish people were enslaved in British Colonial America before African people".
Last edited by Russianbear on 27 Apr 2021 08:45, edited 2 times in total.
#15169513
late wrote:Teddy bear is trying to say two wrongs make a right...

No, I think he's trying to say that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
#15169516
late wrote:There's plenty of room for both.

It depends on one's perspective, I guess.
#15169530
Potemkin wrote:
It depends on one's perspective, I guess.



"The (CCP) crackdown on Uighur and other Muslim minorities in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region (XUAR) has attracted intense scrutiny and polarized the international community. At least
1 million people, maybe
as many as 1.5 million, have been detained in a large network of recently constructed camps, where they undergo
forced reeducation and political indoctrination."

That's a lot of people, and no transparency. Which means a lot to take on faith...
#15169876
late wrote:"The (CCP) crackdown on Uighur and other Muslim minorities in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region (XUAR) has attracted intense scrutiny and polarized the international community. At least
1 million people, maybe
as many as 1.5 million, have been detained in a large network of recently constructed camps, where they undergo
forced reeducation and political indoctrination."

That's a lot of people, and no transparency. Which means a lot to take on faith...


Western neocolonial hypocrites want to convince the world to take care of Muslims in China, while killing millions of them in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc.
Exactly the same thing happens on your forums when racists like you suddenly love Muslims and cry out for their fate even though previously insulted them.
Only idiots can trust western sincerity.
Give us a break.
#15169877
late wrote:"The (CCP) crackdown on Uighur and other Muslim minorities in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region (XUAR) has attracted intense scrutiny and polarized the international community. At least
1 million people, maybe
as many as 1.5 million, have been detained in a large network of recently constructed camps, where they undergo
forced reeducation and political indoctrination."

That's a lot of people, and no transparency. Which means a lot to take on faith...


I just wonder when the Anglo western ignorant fossils will understand and acknowledge that China is a capitalist country and that the CCP, apart from its formal name, has nothing to do with communist ideology.
China has proven to have a much more successful capitalism than your Disneyland deep state Plutocracy and corporatocracy that rule your corrupted declining Disneylands.
:)
#15169883
Russianbear wrote:There are more and more indications that Australians live in an apartheid society,
where Anglo-Saxons are considered superior and people of other races are harassed.


Umm dude. A Current Affair is not valid evidence of Racism. They're famous for paying people to make up stories to fill their now 1-hour long timeslot of gossipy tabloid crap. ABC is basically the BBC franchisee in Australia.

And anyway I'm in Melbourne.... Moved back here for a reason. Most multicultural city in the entire country. But also the city full of Woke SJW assholes.
#15169898
Russianbear wrote:
I just wonder when the Anglo western ignorant fossils will understand and acknowledge that China is a capitalist country and that the CCP, apart from its formal name, has nothing to do with communist ideology.


China has proven to have a much more successful capitalism than your Disneyland deep state Plutocracy and corporatocracy that rule your corrupted declining Disneylands.



Try to respond to what I actually said. China isn't communist.

China has been very successful. Starting in the late 1800s, America was the low wage country with a growing economy. This came, in part, from selling to the aging empire of that day, England. Now we're the aging empire, and you're the upstart stealing our jobs.

I have a number of yardsticks to measure a country. One of them is diffusion of power. The more the power is concentrated in few hands, the worse off the rest are. It's always been a problem here, it's worse where you are.

There there is macroeconomic performance... China is having a rocky time transitioning into a mature economy. That's a concern because countries in economic trouble sometimes start a war to distract their people from their economic problems. The lack of transparency compounds the problem, leaving the West wondering just how fragile the economy is, in China.
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