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By MistyTiger
#13093340
I have decided to resign as Minister of Education. I just don't have the energy and time to dedicate to the position. I will still be a member, unless you feel it's too heinous that I stay since I didn't vote SN-RF. I feel that other political parties deserve a chance to be in power.
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By ingliz
#13093629
Misty:

I feel that other political parties deserve a chance to be in power.

Why, if you feel that the other political parties deserve power more than the communists, do you still wish to remain a member of a communist party? :?:

To more pressing matters - the new Constitution

Article I

1. PoFo is declared to be a republic of the Soviets of Workers', Soldiers', and Peasants' Deputies. All the central and local power belongs to these soviets.

2. Bearing in mind as its fundamental problem the abolition of the exploitation of men by men, the entire abolition of the division of the people into classes, the suppression of exploiters, the establishment of a socialist society, and the victory of socialism in all lands, the Congress of Soviets of Workers', Soldiers', and Peasants' Deputies further resolves:

(a) For the purpose of attaining the socialization of land, all private property in land is abolished, and the entire land is declared to be national property and is to be apportioned among agriculturists without compensation of the former owners, to the measure of each one's ability to till it.

(b) All forests, treasures of the earth, and waters of general public utility, all equipment whether animate or inanimate, model farms and agricultural enterprises, are declared to be national property.

(c) As a first step toward complete transfer of ownership to the Soviet Republic of all factories, mills, mines, railways, and other means of production and transportation, the soviet law for the control of workmen and the establishment of a Supreme Soviet of National Economy is hereby confirmed so as to insure the power of the workers over the exploiters.

(d) With reference to international banking and finance, the Congress of Soviets is discussing the soviet decree regarding the annulment of loans made by the Ryan Government, by landowners and the bourgeoisie, and it trusts that the Soviet Government will firmly follow this course until the final victory of the international workers' revolt against the oppression of capital.

(e) The transfer of all banks to the ownership of the Workers' and Peasants' Government, as one of the conditions of the liberation of the toiling masses from the yoke of capital, is confirmed.

(f) Universal obligation to work is introduced for the purpose of eliminating the parasitic strata of society and organizing the economic life of the country.

(g) For the purpose of securing the working class in the possession of complete power, and in order to eliminate all possibility of restoring the power of the exploiters, it is decreed that all workers be armed, and that a Socialist Army be organized and the propertied class disarmed.

3. Expressing its fixed resolve to liberate mankind from the grip of capital and imperialism, which flooded the earth with blood in its present most criminal of all wars, the Congress of Soviets fully agrees with the Soviet Government in its policy of abrogating secret treaties, of organizing on a wide scale the fraternization of the workers and peasants of the belligerent armies, and of making all efforts to conclude a general democratic peace without annexations or indemnities, upon the basis of the free determination of peoples.

4. It is also to this end that the Congress of Soviets insists upon putting an end to the barbarous policy of the bourgeois civilization which enables the exploiters of a few chosen nations to enslave hundreds of millions of the working population of Asia, of the colonies, and of small countries generally.

5. The Congress of Soviets of Workers', Soldiers', and Peasants' Deputies believes that now, during the progress of the decisive battle between the proletariat and its exploiters, the exploiters should not hold a position in any branch of the Soviet Government. The power must belong entirely to the toiling masses and to their plenipotentiary representitives- the Soviets of Workers', Soldiers', and Peasants' Deputies.

6. In its effort to create a league- free and voluntary, and for that reason all the more complete and secure- of the working classes of all the peoples of PoFo, the Congress of Soviets merely establishes the fundamental principles of the republic, leaving to the workers and peasants of every people to decide the following question at their plenary sessions of their soviets, namely, whether or not they desire to participate, and on what basis, in the Federal government and other Federal soviet institutions.

Article Two

1. The fundamental problem of the constitution of the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic involves, in view of the present transition period, the establishment of a dictatorship of the urban and rural proletariat and the poorest peasantry in the form of a powerful Pofo soviet authority, for the purpose of abolishing the exploitation of men by men and introduction of socialism, in which their will be neither a division into classes nor a state of autocracy.

2. The PoFo Republic is a free socialist society of all the working people of PoFo. The entire power, within the boundaries of the Socialist Soviet Republic, belongs to all the working people of PoFo, united in urban and rural soviets.

3. The soviets of those regions which differentiate themselves by a special form of existence and national character may unite in autonomous regional unions, ruled by the local congress of the soviets and their executive organs.

These autonomous regional unions participate in the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic upon a Federal basis.

4. The supreme power of the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic belongs to the Congress of Soviets, and, in periods between the convocation of the congress, to the Central Executive Committee.

5. For the purpose of securing to the workers real freedom of conscience, the church is to be separated from the state and the school from the church, and the right of religious and anti-religous propaganda is accorded to every citizen.

6. For the purpose of securing freedom of expression to the toiling masses, the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic abolishes all dependence of the Press upon capital, and turns over to the working people and the poorest peasantry all technical and material means for the publication of newspapers, pamphlets, books, etc., and guarantees their free circulation throughout the country.

7. For the purpose of enabling the workers to hold free meetings, the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic offers to the working class and to the poorest peasantry furnished halls, and takes care of their heating and lighting appliances.

8. The PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic, having crushed the economic and political power of the propertied classes, and having thus abolished all obstacles which interfered with the freedom of organization and action of the workers and peasants, offers assistance, material and other, to the workers and the poorest peasantry in their effort to unite and organize.

9. For the purpose of guaranteeing to the workers real access to knowledge, the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic sets itself the task of furnishing full and general free education to the workers and the poorest peasantry.

10. The PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic considers work the duty of every citizen of the Republic, and proclaims as its motto: 'He shall not eat who does not work.'

11. For the purpose of defending the victory of the great peasants' and workers' revolution, the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic recognizes the duty of all citizens of the Republic to come to the defense of their socialist fatherland, and it therefore introduces universal military training. The honor of defending the revolution with arms is accorded only to the workers, and the non-working elements are charged with the performance of other military duties.

12. In consequence of the solidarity of the workers of all nations, the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic grants all political rights of PoFo citizens to foreigners who live in the territory of the Republic and are engaged in work and who belong to the working class. The PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic also recognizes the right of local soviets to grant citizenship to such foreigners without complicated formality.

13. The PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic offers shelter to all foreigners who seek refuge from political or religious persecution.

14. The PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic, recognizing the equal rights of all citizens, irrespective of their racial or national connections, proclaims all privileges on this ground, as well as oppression of national minorities, to be contrary to the fundamental laws of the Republic.

15. Being guided by the interests of the working class as a whole, the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic deprives all individuals and groups of rights which could be utilized by them to the detriment of the socialist revolution.

Article Three

1. The Congress of Soviets is the supreme power of the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic.

2. The Congress of Soviets is composed of representatives of urban soviets, and of representatives of the provincial congresses of soviets.

Note 1: In case the provincial congress is not called before the Congress is convoked, delegates for the latter are sent directly from the county congress.

Note 2: In case the regional congress is convoked indirectly, previous to the convocation of the Congress, delegates for the latter may be sent by the regional congress.

3. The Congress is convoked by the Central Executive Committee at least twice a year.

4. A special Congress is convoked by the Central Executive Committee upon its own initiative, or upon the request of local soviets having not less than one-third of the entire population of the Republic.

5. The Congress elects a Central Executive Committee.

6. The Central Executive Committee is entirely responsible to the Congress of Soviets.

7. In the periods between the convocation of the congresses, the Central Executive Committee is the supreme power of the Republic.

8. The Central Executive Committee is the supreme legislative, executive and controlling organ of the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic.

9. The Central Executive Committee directs in a general way the activity of the Workers' and Peasants' Government and of all organs of the soviet authority in the country, and it coordinates and regulates the operation of the Soviet constitution and of the resolutions of the congresses and of the central organs of the soviet power.

10. The Central Executive Committee considers and enacts all measures and proposals introduced by the Soviet of People's Commissars or by the various departments, and it also issues its own decrees and regulations.

11. The Central Executive Committee convokes the Congress of Soviets, at which time the Executive Committee reports on its activity and on general questions.

12. The Central Executive Committee forms a Council of People's Commissars for the purpose of general management of the affairs of the Socialist Soviet Republic, and it also forms departments (People's Commissariats) for the purpose of conducting various branches.

13. The members of the Central Executive Committee work in the various departments (People's Commissariats) or execute special orders of the Central Executive Committee.

14. The Council of People's Commissars is entrusted with the general management of the affairs of the Socialist Soviet Republic.

15. For the accomplishment of this task the Council of People's Commissars issues decrees, resolutions, orders, and, in general, takes all steps necessary for the proper and rapid conduct of governmental affairs.

16. The Council of People's Commissars notifies immediately the Central Executive Committee of all it's orders and resolutions.

17. The Central Executive Committee has the right to revoke or suspend all orders and resolutions of the Council of People's Commissars.

18. All orders and resolutions of the Council of People's Commissars of great political significance are referred for consideration and final approval to the Central Executive Committee.

Note: Measures requiring immediate execution may be enacted directly by the Council of People's Commisariats.

19. The members of the Council of People's Commissars stand at the head of the various People's Commissariats.

20. Every commissar has a collegium (committee) of which he is the president, and the members of which are appointed by the Council of People's Commissars.

21. A People's Commissar has the individual right to decide on all questions under the jurisdiction of his commissariat, and he is to report on his decision to the collegium. If the collegium does not agree with the commissar on some decisions, the former may, without stopping the execution of the decision, complain of it to the executive members of the Council of People's Commissars or to the Central Executive Committee.

Individual members of the collegium have this right also.

22. The Council of People's Commissars is entirely responsible to the Congress of Soviets and the Central Executive Committee.

23. The People's Commissars and the collegia of the People's Commissariats are entirely responsible to the Council of People's Commissars and the Central Executive Committee.

24. The title of People's Commissar belongs only to the members of the Council of People's Commissars, which is in charge of general affairs of the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic, and it cannot be used by any other representative of the Soviet power, either central of local.

25. The Congress and the Central Executive Committee deal with the questions of state, such as:

(a) Ratification and amendment of the Constitution of the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic;
(b) General direction of the entire interior and foreign policy of the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic;
(c) Establishing and changing boundaries, also ceding territory belonging to the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic;
(d) Establishing boundaries for regional soviet unions belonging to the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic, also settling disputes among them;
(e) Admission of new members to the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic, and recognition of the secession of any parts of it;
(f) The general administrative division of the territory of the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic and the approval of regional unions;
(g) Establishing and changing weights, measures, and money denominations in the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic;
(h) Foreign relations, declaration of war, and ratification of peace treaties;
(i) Making loans, signing commercial treaties and financial agreements;
(j) Working out a basis and a general plan for the national economy and for its various branches in the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic;
(k) Approval of the budget of the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic;
(l) Levying taxes and establishing the duties of citizens to the state;
(m) Establishing the bases for the organization of armed forces;
(n) State legislation, judicial organization and procedure, civil and criminal legislation, etc.;
(o) Appointment and dismissal of the individual People's Commissars or the entire council, also approval of the president of the Council of People's Commissars;
(p) Granting and cancelling PoFo citizenship and fixing rights of foreigners;
(q) The right to declare individual and general amnesty.

26. Besides the above-mentioned questions, the Congress and the Central Executive Committee have charge of all other affairs which, according to their decision, require their attention.

27. The following questions are solely under the jurisdiction of the Congress:

(a) Ratification and amendment of the fundamental principles of the Soviet Constitution;
(b) Ratification of peace treaties.

28. The decision of questions indicated in paragraphs (c) and (h) of Section 25 may be made by the Central Executive Committee only in cases it is impossible to convoke the Congress.

29. Congresses of Soviets are composed as follows:

(a) Regional: of representatives of the urban and county soviets - or of representatives of the provincial congresses, chosen on the same basis, if such a congress meets before the regional congress.
(b) Provincial: of representatives of urban and rural soviets. In case the county congress meets before the provincial, election takes place on the same basis, but by the county congress instead of the rural.
(c) County: of representatives of rural soviets,
(d) Rural: of representatives of all village soviets in the district.

30. Congresses of the soviets are convoked by the respective executive committees upon their own initiative, or upon request of local soviets comprising not less than one-third of the entire population of the given district. In any case they are convoked at least twice a year for regions, every three months for provinces and counties, and once a month for rural districts.

31. Every congress of soviets (regional, provincial, county, or rural) elects its executive organ. The executive committee is responsible to the congress which elected it.

32. In the boundaries of the respective territories the congress is the supreme power; during intervals between the convocations of the congress, the executive committee is the supreme power.

33. Soviets of Deputies are formed

(a) In cities.
(b) All other settlements.
Note: In small rural sections, whenever possible, all questions shall be decided at general meeting of voters.

34. The Soviet of Deputies elects an executive committee to deal with current affairs. The executive committee is entirely responsible to the soviet which elected it.

35. The Soviet of Deputies is convoked by the executive committee upon its own initiative, or upon the request of not less than one-half of the membership of the soviet; in any case at least once a week in cities, and twice a week in rural sections.

36. Within its jurisdiction the soviet, and in cases mentioned in Section 33, Note, the meeting of the voters is the supreme power in the given district.

37. Regional, provincial, county, and rural organs of the soviet power and also the Soviets of Deputies have to perform the following duties:

(a) Carry out all orders of the respective higher organs of the soviet power;
(b) Take all steps for raising the cultural and economic standard of the given territory;
(c) Decide all questions of local importance within their respective territories;
(d) Coordinate all soviet activity in their respective territories.

38. The congresses of soviets and their executive committees have the right to control the activity of the local soviets (i.e., the regional congress controls all soviets of the respective region; the provincial, of the respective province, with the exception of the urban soviets, etc.); and the regional and provincial congresses and their executive committees have in addition the right to overrule the decisions of the soviets of their districts, giving notice in important cases to the central soviet authority.

39. For the purpose of performing their duties, the local soviets, rural and urban and the executive committees form sections respectively.

Article Four

1. The right to vote and to be elected to the soviets is enjoyed by the following citizens of both sexes, irrespective of religion, nationality, domicile, etc., of the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic, who shall have completed their eighteenth year by the day of election:

(a) All who have acquired the means of livelihood through labor that is productive and useful to society, and also persons engaged in housekeeping which enables the former to do productive work, i.e., laborers and employees of all classes who are employed in industry, trade, agriculture, etc., and peasants and Cossack agricultural laborers who employ no help for the purpose of making profits.
(b) Soldiers of the army and navy of the soviets.
(c) Citizens of the two preceding categories who have in any degree lost their capacity to work.
Note: Local soviets may, upon approval of the central power, lower the age standard mentioned herein.

2. The following persons enjoy neither the right to vote nor the right to be voted for, even though they belong to one of the categories enumerated above, namely:

(a) Persons who employ hired labor in order to obtain form it an increase in profits;
(b) Persons who have an income without doing any work, such as interest from capital, receipts from property, etc.;
(c) Private merchants, trade and commercial brokers;
(d) Monks and clergy of all denominations;
(e) Employees and agents of the former police, the gendarme corps, the security services, and also ruling members of the former Ryan regime;
(f) Persons who have in legal form been declared demented or mentally deficient, and also persons under guardianship;
(g) Persons who have been deprived by a soviet of their rights of citizenship because of selfish or dishonorable offenses, for the period fixed by the sentence.

3. Elections are conducted according to custom on days fixed by the local soviets.

4. Election takes place in the presence of an election committee and the representation of the local soviet.

5. In case the representative of the soviet cannot for valid causes be present, the chairman of the election committee takes his place, and in case the latter is absent, the chairman of the election meeting replaces him.

6. Minutes of the proceedings and result of elections are to be compiled and signed by the members of the election committee and the representative of the soviet.

7. Detailed instructions regarding the election proceedings and the participation in them of professional and other workers' organizations are to be issued by the local soviets, according to the instructions of the Central Executive Committee.

8. The respective soviets receive all the records of the proceedings of the election.

9. The soviet appoints a commission to verify the election.

10. This commission reports the results to the soviet.

11. The soviet decides the question when there is doubt as to which candidate or another cannot be determined.

12. If an election was irregularly carried on in its entirety, it may be declared void by a higher soviet authority.

13. The highest authority in relation to questions of elections is the Central Executive Committee.

14. Voters who have sent a deputy to the soviet have the right to recall him, and to have a new election, according to general provisions.

Article Five

1. The financial policy of the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic in the present transition period of dictatorship of the proletariat facilitates the fundamental purpose of expropriation of the bourgeoisie and the preparation of conditions necessary for the equality of all citizens of Russia in the production and distribution of wealth. To this end it sets forth as its task the supplying of the organs of the soviet power with all necessary funds for local and state needs of the Soviet Republic, without regard to private property rights.

2. The state expenditure and income of the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic are combined in the state budget.

3. The Congress of Soviets or the Central Executive Committee determine what matters of income and taxation shall go to the state budget and what shall go to the local soviets; they also set the limits of taxes.

4. The soviets levy taxes only for the local needs. The state needs are covered by the funds of the state treasury.

5. No expenditures out of the state treasury not set forth in the budget of income and expense shall be made without a special order of the central power.

6. The local soviets shall receive credits from the proper People's Commissars out of the state treasury, for the purpose of making expenditures for general state needs.

7. All credits allotted to the soviets from the state treasury, and also credits approved for local needs, must be expended according to the estimates, and cannot be used for any other purposes without a special order of the Central Executive Committee and the Soviet of People's Commissars.

8. Local soviets draw up semi-annual and annual estimates of income and expenditure for local needs. The estimates of urban and rural soviets participating in county congresses, and also the estimates of the county organs of the soviet power, are to be approved by provincial and regional congresses or by their executive committees; the estimates of the urban, provincial, and regional organs of the soviets are to be approved by the Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars.

9. The soviets may ask for additional credits from the respective People's Commissariats for expenditures not set forth in the estimate, or where the allotted sum is insufficient.

88. In case of an insufficiency of local funds for local needs, the necessary subsidy may be obtained from the state treasury by applying to the All-Russian Central Executive Committee or the Council of People's Commissars.

Article Six

1. The coat of arms of the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic consists of a red background on which a golden scythe and a hammer are placed (crosswise, handles downward) in sun-rays and surrounded by a wreath, inscribed:

PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic
Workers of the World, Unite !
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By MistyTiger
#13093849
I didn't say that they deserve power more, just that they should get their chance to rule. I don't want any one party to dominate the game. I've been thinking of leaving the party for awhile now, but I haven't decided yet. I'll wait it out and maybe take action sometime after the election.
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By ingliz
#13093934
The "All power to the Soviets" R.S.F.S.R Constitution of 1918 with 'All-Russian' replaced and the 'numbers' taken out, never mind that it is completely impracticable as things stand, it is close to what most SN-RF party members would accept as suitably socialist.

I draw your attention to Article 2.15, one of the few useful clauses in the document. ;)

Discuss, amend etc. as we have only 4-5 days to come up with something that will garner the 5 votes, 50% of the full House +1, needed to throw out the Interim Document.

Poll Closed

25 votes SN-RF

1 votes PNL

2 votes CA

1 vote SLD

22 spoilt ballots

Total votes 51

Valid votes 29


Valid votes:

SN-RF[25] Antihero; TIG; Vigil of Reason; wiam; Gletkin; Zyx; Red Star; PBVBROOK; Fitzy; ingliz; Mikolaj; Le Rouge; Potemkin; FallenRaptor; Red Army; HoniSoit; Decky; Lensky1917; Vladimir; Demosthenes; KurtFF8; albionfagan; Vera Politica; Brio; skinster.

CA[2] Doomhammer; Dan.

PNL[1] Konulu.

SLD[1] Zagadka

Results:

29 votes = 9 seats

•SN-RF (86.2%): 9

•CA (6.9%): None

•PNL (3.4%): None

•SLD (3.4%): None

PoFo's brief flirtation with bourgeois parliamentarianism is done

Welcome to the PoFo Socialist Soviet Republic.

Anyone who wants to be an "MP" for this historic vote, please put your name forward, first come, first served, all Party members are eligible.

The "game" is dead but this will finish it properly, so don't worry that the game will take up too much of your time.

ingliz
Potemkin
Red Star

Only 6 places left.
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By The Immortal Goon
#13095153
I vote for the constitution.

I'm not on enough to be useful to implement it however.
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By ingliz
#13095172
I vote for the constitution

Can I put your name forward as MP?

I will PM you when the vote comes up in Parliament in another day or two.

There is no need to implement it as the game is won when the constitution is ratified.
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By The Immortal Goon
#13095242
Sure, why not then. I serve the party, and through the party the people.
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By MistyTiger
#13095464
I'm leaving the party. I see that there are 2 members who would gladly take my seat and they're welcome to it. :)

It's been great, but it is time for me to leave this party.
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By ingliz
#13095779
MP's;

ingliz
Potemkin
Red Star
TIG
FallenRaptor
Zyx

Only 3 places left
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By ingliz
#13095831
2 places left
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By ingliz
#13095836
The list is complete:

ingliz
Potemkin
Red Star
TIG
FallenRaptor
Zyx
Le Rouge
Brio
Vladimir

The voting thread for the Constitution Act is now open

Please vote, Thankyou.
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By Le Rouge
#13099530
I am wondering if our government should extend the olive branch to opposition parties and show a resolution towards resolving the political crisis. Perhaps we should count the spoiled votes and allow the Marijuana Party to seat its MPs on the condition that they accept the new constitution and the socialist transformation of the economic order.
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By Dr House
#13099543
Under the new economic order the economy will be centrally planned, yes?
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By MistyTiger
#13099837
on the condition that they accept the new constitution and the socialist transformation of the economic order.


Force it down their throats, you mean? :lol:
By Zyx
#13100064
MistyTiger and Dr House are not, or no longer, party members of the SN-RF.

Le Rouge, we don't need to extend a branch. What good is the marijuana party? Beside, they are mostly anti-communist. We shouldn't extend a branch but a sword and then push that extension deeper.
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