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Truth To Power wrote:What a gracious concession that you have been comprehensively and conclusively demolished, you know it, and you have no answers.

Please, don't humiliate and degrade yourself any further than you already have.

Ooops, too late...


I just got weary reading the same crap over and over.

Anyway, did anybody let you pitch your tent for a year on their front yard?
#15327281
Hakeer wrote:I just got weary reading the same crap over and over.

Think how I feel, having to prove you wrong on the same absurd and disingenuous "arguments" over and over!
Anyway, did anybody let you pitch your tent for a year on their front yard?

Does repeating such absurd, irrelevant, and disingenuous tripe really help you to avoid knowing the facts that prove your beliefs are false and evil?
#15327284
Truth To Power wrote:Think how I feel, having to prove you wrong on the same absurd and disingenuous "arguments" over and over!

Does repeating such absurd, irrelevant, and disingenuous tripe really help you to avoid knowing the facts that prove your beliefs are false and evil?


Not at all. They won’t let you pitch your tent for a year in their front yard any more than I will, and Hong Kong is your poster child. Same applies to every other country in the world.
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Hakeer wrote:Not at all. They won’t let you pitch your tent for a year in their front yard any more than I will, and Hong Kong is your poster child. Same applies to every other country in the world.

Does repeating such absurd, irrelevant, and disingenuous tripe really help you to avoid knowing the facts that prove your beliefs are false and evil?
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Truth To Power wrote:Does repeating such absurd, irrelevant, and disingenuous tripe really help you to avoid knowing the facts that prove your beliefs are false and evil?


The truth is, they won’t let you pitch your tent in Hong Kong or anywhere else. All your hysterics doesn’t change the fact.

Proves I’m right that you’re about 20,000 years too late on this planet,
Mr. Otherwise Available. I hear there is some unclaimed land in Antarctica, but take a warm coat along!
#15327617
Hakeer wrote:The truth is, they won’t let you pitch your tent in Hong Kong or anywhere else.

No, the truth is, that is just another bald falsehood from you. Over the great majority of the earth's solid surface, which contrary to your claims is not owned by private land thieves, citizens are at liberty to pitch a tent or engage in any number of other non-exclusionary and non-destructive activities much as their remote ancestors were. It's called "the public domain" for a reason.
All your hysterics doesn’t change the fact.

:roll: It's not a fact, and anyone reading this can confirm for themselves that nothing I have written could honestly be described as "hysterics."
Proves I’m right that you’re about 20,000 years too late on this planet,

No, it only proves you will say, do, and believe anything whatever to avoid knowing the facts of objective physical reality that prove your beliefs are false and evil.

And, "It's too late for you to claim a right to liberty, it is already owned by someone else," is what slave owners said to slaves.

Try to remember.
Mr. Otherwise Available. I hear there is some unclaimed land in Antarctica, but take a warm coat along!

The unclaimed (i.e., public) land people are at liberty to use non-excusively and non-destructively is much more extensive than the land stolen by private land thieves on every continent. It is merely the most advantageous land that private land thieves have considered worth stealing from everyone else.
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Truth To Power wrote:No, the truth is, that is just another bald falsehood from you. Over the great majority of the earth's solid surface, which contrary to your claims is not owned by private land thieves, citizens are at liberty to pitch a tent or engage in any number of other non-exclusionary and non-destructive activities much as their remote ancestors were. It's called "the public domain" for a reason.

:roll: It's not a fact, and anyone reading this can confirm for themselves that nothing I have written could honestly be described as "hysterics."

No, it only proves you will say, do, and believe anything whatever to avoid knowing the facts of objective physical reality that prove your beliefs are false and evil.

And, "It's too late for you to claim a right to liberty, it is already owned by someone else," is what slave owners said to slaves.

Try to remember.

The unclaimed (i.e., public) land people are at liberty to use non-excusively and non-destructively is much more extensive than the land stolen by private land thieves on every continent. It is merely the most advantageous land that private land thieves have considered worth stealing from everyone else.


Like I said, you have to go back 20,000 years to find an unclaimed piece of land to pitch your tent. You can’t pitch your tent anywhere you please on public land, either. The government will tell you where you can pitch it on their land. You are not “at liberty” to pitch it on any bare piece of land you can find. For $17/night you can pitch it here at our state park. Washington state is a “evil parasite” like the rest of us. LOL. Or for a fee, you can pitch it here in Olympic National Park. The federal government is also “evil parasite”. LOL again. They stole it from the Clallam Indians — who didn’t steal it from anybody about 10,000 years ago. BTW, they are supporting Harris. The tribe has her signs posted all over place.
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Hakeer wrote:Like I said, you have to go back 20,000 years to find an unclaimed piece of land to pitch your tent.

I know you said it multiple times, but it is still a bald falsehood, and would be irrelevant even if true. Remember Crusoe and Friday? When Crusoe claims to own the island, and points his musket at Friday and tells him to either get to work or get back in the water, he is proving that landowning is a vicious, despicable evil equivalent to slavery whether sanctified by law or not.
You can’t pitch your tent anywhere you please on public land, either.

Yeah, you pretty much can outside settled areas.
The government will tell you where you can pitch it on their land.

There are very few places you can't pitch a tent or engage in other activities on public land, as long as you are not trying to exclude others or destroying its natural qualities.
You are not “at liberty” to pitch it on any bare piece of land you can find.

You pretty much are. That is what "the public domain" means. And in any case, the fact that people's right to liberty was abrogated by force some time in the past does not mean they no longer have it, as slavery proved. Remember?
For $17/night you can pitch it here at our state park.

:lol: That's in a state park. The vast majority of public land is not parkland. Your claims continue to be false and disingenuous filth.
Washington state is a “evil parasite” like the rest of us. LOL. Or for a fee, you can pitch it here in Olympic National Park. The federal government is also “evil parasite”. LOL again.

Why are you disingenuously pretending that all public land is parkland?
They stole it from the Clallam Indians

And everyone else.
— who didn’t steal it from anybody about 10,000 years ago.

They didn't steal it because they didn't claim to own it. It's only stealing when you deprive someone of something they would otherwise have. Remember? That's what makes landowning stealing but using land non-exclusively -- as the Clallam did before whites taught them how to steal land -- not stealing. Remember?
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Truth To Power wrote:I know you said it multiple times, but it is still a bald falsehood, and would be irrelevant even if true. Remember Crusoe and Friday? When Crusoe claims to own the island, and points his musket at Friday and tells him to either get to work or get back in the water, he is proving that landowning is a vicious, despicable evil equivalent to slavery whether sanctified by law or not.

Yeah, you pretty much can outside settled areas.

There are very few places you can't pitch a tent or engage in other activities on public land, as long as you are not trying to exclude others or destroying its natural qualities.

You pretty much are. That is what "the public domain" means. And in any case, the fact that people's right to liberty was abrogated by force some time in the past does not mean they no longer have it, as slavery proved. Remember?

:lol: That's in a state park. The vast majority of public land is not parkland. Your claims continue to be false and disingenuous filth.

Why are you disingenuously pretending that all public land is parkland?

And everyone else.

They didn't steal it because they didn't claim to own it. It's only stealing when you deprive someone of something they would otherwise have. Remember? That's what makes landowning stealing but using land non-exclusively -- as the Clallam did before whites taught them how to steal land -- not stealing. Remember?


Try pitching your tent 10 feet in front of the Clallam chief’s hut. He would have told you to get your ass off his territory. He didn’t “own” the land. He just claimed it as his territory. But you had plenty of unclaimed land farther down the river.

Let me give you another clue about public land. My property literally borders Washington state Department of Natural Resources (DNR) land. It goes on for miles and miles of “unoccupied” land (as you would call it). You may not pitch your tent ANYWHERE over there.

Now back to football!
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Hakeer wrote:Try pitching your tent 10 feet in front of the Clallam chief’s hut.

That would be rude. The natural individual liberty right to use land non-exclusively, which our remote ancestors exercised to survive for millions of years, does not give license for rudeness. Similarly, everyone is at liberty to walk down a public street, but it is rude to get in front of people and block their way, so people who respect each others' rights (doesn't include you) don't do that. That doesn't mean they have no liberty right to use the public street.
He would have told you to get your ass off his territory.

No he wouldn't. Unlike greedy, evil, privileged, parasitic filth who claim they own others' rights to liberty, the Clallam chief never claimed it was his territory.
He didn’t “own” the land. He just claimed it as his territory.

No he did not. The territory was the community's, not his personally. And brute, animal territoriality is quite different from property in land: animals are not obliged to respect others' territories, which the claimants must defend against challengers themselves. The Clallam were well aware, as you are not, that their claim could be overturned at any time by superior force.

So you are simply makin' $#!+ up again.
But you had plenty of unclaimed land farther down the river.

And, contrary to your claims, the Clallam, like most hunter-gatherers the world over, welcomed peaceful visitors (i.e., not greedy, evil scum who intended forcibly to remove their liberty to use the land they occupied by dint of government-issued and -enforced privilege).
Let me give you another clue about public land. My property literally borders Washington state Department of Natural Resources (DNR) land. It goes on for miles and miles of “unoccupied” land (as you would call it). You may not pitch your tent ANYWHERE over there.

:roll: There are various kinds of parks, nature reserves, watershed protection areas, etc. where people's activities are restricted, but the great majority of public land can be used by the public non-exclusively and non-destructively.
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Truth To Power wrote:That would be rude. The natural individual liberty right to use land non-exclusively, which our remote ancestors exercised to survive for millions of years, does not give license for rudeness. Similarly, everyone is at liberty to walk down a public street, but it is rude to get in front of people and block their way, so people who respect each others' rights (doesn't include you) don't do that. That doesn't mean they have no liberty right to use the public street.

No he wouldn't. Unlike greedy, evil, privileged, parasitic filth who claim they own others' rights to liberty, the Clallam chief never claimed it was his territory.

No he did not. The territory was the community's, not his personally. And brute, animal territoriality is quite different from property in land: animals are not obliged to respect others' territories, which the claimants must defend against challengers themselves. The Clallam were well aware, as you are not, that their claim could be overturned at any time by superior force.

So you are simply makin' $#!+ up again.

And, contrary to your claims, the Clallam, like most hunter-gatherers the world over, welcomed peaceful visitors (i.e., not greedy, evil scum who intended forcibly to remove their liberty to use the land they occupied by dint of government-issued and -enforced privilege).

:roll: There are various kinds of parks, nature reserves, watershed protection areas, etc. where people's activities are restricted, but the great majority of public land can be used by the public non-exclusively and non-destructively.


So, it’s rude to pitch your tent 10 feet from the chief’s hut but not my house! The chief also claims for the tribe the territory between their huts. If you pitch your tent there, they will demand you move your ass farther down the river.

Yes, you can walk on public lands, sometimes with fee required, but we are talking about moving in permanently and building a house on their land, figuring it is “unoccupied” so you are “At liberty” to build your house there. They aren’t going to accept that bullshit rationale any more than a private landowner. Turn back the clock 10,000 years and stay off Clallam tribal territory, and your claim works fine — but nowhere in the modern world.

Seahawks thrashed Falcons! Life is good.
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Hakeer wrote:So, it’s rude to pitch your tent 10 feet from the chief’s hut but not my house! The chief also claims for the tribe the territory between their huts. If you pitch your tent there, they will demand you move your ass farther down the river, and they didn’t just plant a flag. They had a permanent settlement there for 100 years before your tribe arrived.

Yes, you can walk on public lands, sometimes with fee required, but we are talking about moving in permanently and building a house on their land, figuring it is “unoccupied” so you are “At liberty” to build your house there. They aren’t going to accept that bullshit rationale any more than a private landowner. Turn back the clock 10,000 years and stay off Clallam tribal territory, and your claim works fine — but nowhere in the modern world.

Seahawks thrashed Falcons! Life is good.
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Hakeer wrote:So, it’s rude to pitch your tent 10 feet from the chief’s hut but not my house!

No, that tent-pitching tripe is just some disingenuous garbage you made up to justify forcibly removing everyone's rights to liberty and making them the private property of the privileged, especially landowners.
The chief also claims for the tribe the territory between their huts.

No, that's false. Only the areas immediately around each hut are kept clear as a matter of courtesy for reasons of privacy, access for external repairs, etc. There was no claim to own it. You are just makin' $#!+ up again.
If you pitch your tent there, they will demand you move your ass farther down the river.

Garbage. Stop pretending that indigenous people share your greedy, entitled, covetous, dog-in-the-manger landowner attitude.
Yes, you can walk on public lands, sometimes with fee required, but we are talking about moving in permanently and building a house on their land, figuring it is “unoccupied” so you are “At liberty” to build your house there.

No you are changing the subject from pitching a tent to building a house.
They aren’t going to accept that bullshit rationale any more than a private landowner. Turn back the clock 10,000 years and stay off Clallam tribal territory, and your claim works fine — but nowhere in the modern world.

No, that's just more false and disingenuous tripe from you. It is only in the last ~100 years that homesteading has been legally prohibited in most places. Before that, people were quite at liberty to build on unoccupied land almost anywhere in the world where population density was low, which was >90% of the land area of the earth.
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Truth To Power wrote:No, that tent-pitching tripe is just some disingenuous garbage you made up to justify forcibly removing everyone's rights to liberty and making them the private property of the privileged, especially landowners.

No, that's false. Only the areas immediately around each hut are kept clear as a matter of courtesy for reasons of privacy, access for external repairs, etc. There was no claim to own it. You are just makin' $#!+ up again.

Garbage. Stop pretending that indigenous people share your greedy, entitled, covetous, dog-in-the-manger landowner attitude.

No you are changing the subject from pitching a tent to building a house.

No, that's just more false and disingenuous tripe from you. It is only in the last ~100 years that homesteading has been legally prohibited in most places. Before that, people were quite at liberty to build on unoccupied land almost anywhere in the world where population density was low, which was >90% of the land area of the earth.


Well, you can’t do either, but I think I said a few weeks ago that “tent” was not to be taken literally. If you came in it would be to build a house.

Maybe you think homesteading was on “unoccupied” land by your definition. Some American Indians would have, and did, disagree resulting in some bloody wars. As with the Clallam Indians, who claimed as their tribal territory, their whole hunting and fishing areas — spread across most of the northern coast of Olympic Peninsula — including land with no hut erected.
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