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#15238298
Godstud wrote:
So you ignore a net gain of 3 million jobs and nitpick a loss of 1% that. Why am I not surprised you only use facts when they suit you?



Sleazy politics, if it had been a Republican, we would be in a lot worse shape right now.

And that's the only thing that matters, if you have half a brain.
#15238301
late wrote:We are the reserve currency, and that status is unchallenged.

Our sanctions policies are undermining that position, but we are a long way from losing it. There is no challenger, and the basket of currencies idea will be DOA unless our economy collapses.

The Saudi can cut a deal with China, that's not actually bad for us. The value of the yuan is likely to decline, while the value of the product will likely increase.

Even if the Saudi don't come to regret the deal, we don't want the immediate collapse of the Chinese economy.

So, less than ideal, but in the big picture it's just a meh..



^^ See, if you don't view the world like these numbskulls do that money grows on trees, then you cannot demand more of this again and again and again:

US Democrats Urge New $650 Billion IMF Aid on Ukraine War Hit

-Fresh drawing-rights allocation needed, Japayal, Warren say
-Low- and middle-income nations suffer from Russia war fallout

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ne-war-hit


In their view, you are an endless piggybank to be soaked to give $$$ to the world.

BTW, how much is $650 billion? Since we have around 330 million people, it's $1,969 per person.

So a family of four people should come up with $7,878 to give to the IMF because economically illiterate democrats want it. What they really want is one-world government. No thanks.
#15238318
BlutoSays wrote:
^^ See, if you don't view the world like these numbskulls do that money grows on trees, then you cannot demand more of this again and again and again



Proportionally, we spent a great deal more in WW2.

If you were right, the economy should have died... instead it exploded after the war.

You are so far out of your depth it's hilarious.
#15238340
late wrote:Proportionally, we spent a great deal more in WW2.

If you were right, the economy should have died... instead it exploded after the war.

You are so far out of your depth it's hilarious.


This isn't after World War II, dipshit. Back then, people actually WORKED for a living instead of having leftists like you debase the dollar and whine about how UBI and more welfare programs will fix everything.

We have a clueless president who projects weakness, a democrat party that wants green because THEY don't have to pay for it and have zero embarrassment asking for handouts all day, people coming out of school untrained in marketable skills (unless you believe grievance politics and wokeness are marketable), and much of America mortgaged up to the hilt because people believe in credit and debt, rather than saving for a rainy day and planning ahead.

Up next: auto defaults and reposessions, student loan defaults (yes, they WILL default on those, even though you say they can't), and an underground economy where less and less revenue comes in to the treasury and the dollar probably tips over.

Don't say it can't happen. The subprime mortgage crisis couldn't happen either, until it did.

You democrat morons are the very definition of making your problems everyone's problems.

You're stupid entitlement mentality persists and you are wildly inaccurate in all your musings.
#15238344
BlutoSays wrote:
This isn't after World War II

We have a clueless president

Up next: auto defaults and reposessions, student loan defaults (yes, they WILL default on those, even though you say they can't)

, and an underground economy where less and less revenue comes in to the treasury and the dollar probably tips over.

Don't say it can't happen. The subprime mortgage crisis couldn't happen either, until it did.

You democrat morons are the very definition of making your problems everyone's problems.

You're stupid entitlement mentality persists and you are wildly inaccurate in all your musings.



No, but it illustrates your ignorance.

That's dumb.

Thanks to the Republican Bankruptcy Reform Act (which bankruptcy judges and academics opposed) the savagery of their "reform" is getting hard to ignore. I've been talking about this for years, the 'Reform Act' was strongly opposed by anyone with half a brain.

Don't know where you got that ridiculous idea, you always get a surge of defaults and bankruptcy when you have to deal with back to back crises..

That, amazingly, is true. Yes, when the economy heads South, you usually see an increase in the underground economy.

I never said that, if you read stuff smart people wrote, they were worried. Not only that, I opposed Greenspan. I also opposed handing over more of the mortgage business to the private sector, for reasons that should now be obvious.

Where do you get those crazy ideas? Of course, you don't understand any of it...
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#15238351
late wrote:No, but it illustrates your ignorance.

Got anything besides dumb lies?

Thanks to the Republican Bankruptcy Reform Act (which bankruptcy judges and academics opposed) the savagery of their "reform" is getting hard to ignore. I've been talking about this for years, the 'Reform Act' was strongly opposed by anyone with half a brain.

Don't know where you got that ridiculous idea, you always get a surge of defaults and bankruptcy when you have to deal with back to back crises..

That, amazingly, is true. Busted clocks, and all that. Yes, when the economy heads South, you usually see an increase in the underground economy.

I never said that, if you read stuff smart people wrote, they were worried. Not only that, I opposed Greenspan. I also opposed handing over more of the mortgage business to the private sector, for reasons that should now be obvious.

Where do you get those crazy ideas? Of course, you don't understand any of it...


Hey moron, GSE's are GOVERNMENT SPONSORED ENTITIES. Fannie, Freddie, Franklin Raines (Haaavaaad educated fool) and all their idiots were pulling down GOVERNMENT PAY CHECKS (including Maxine Waters, Barnney Fwank, Bill Clinton, HUD idiot Andrew Cuomo and all you other inept donkeys). The tax payers paid dearly thanks to government incompetence. You democrats created the mortgage crisis, nursed it along, saw it coming, and then IGNORED IT.


Just the Facts: The Administration's Unheeded Warnings About the Systemic Risk Posed by the GSEs

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives ... 19-15.html
#15238352
BlutoSays wrote:
Hey moron, GSE's are GOVERNMENT SPONSORED ENTITIES. Fannie, Freddie, Franklin Raines (Haaavaaad educated fool) and all their idiots were pulling down GOVERNMENT PAY CHECKS (including Maxine Waters, Barnney Fwank, Bill Clinton, HUD idiot Andrew Cuomo and all you other inept donkeys). The tax payers paid dearly thanks to government incompetence. You democrats created the mortgage crisis, nursed it along, saw it coming, and then IGNORED IT.




You are babbling.

Fanny and Freddie added stability.

A number of things happened, but I'll try and keep it simple. Greenspan didn't believe in regulation, and by the time Clinton became president it was too late to avoid the crash. Republicans hanstringing regulators let the corruption get worse and worse until the economy just stopped, locked up solid.

There's a lot more, but even that is more than you can process.
#15238369
BlutoSays wrote:
And you are a fucking imbecile.



Like I said, more than you can process.

The deregulation craze of the 80s was the big mistake here. If anyone wants to look into this more, find out who the players were, like Phil "Mr Deregulation" Gramm.

Then Wall St went nuts..
#15239027
BlutoSays wrote:The subprime mortgage crisis couldn't happen either, until it did.

Every economically informed person knows the subprime mortgage crisis was caused by repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, primarily at the insistence of Republicans (though, disgracefully, many bankster-owned Democrats in Congress also voted for it) and the banking "industry."
#15239030
Truth To Power wrote:Every economically informed person knows the subprime mortgage crisis was caused by repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, primarily at the insistence of Republicans (though, disgracefully, many bankster-owned Democrats in Congress also voted for it) and the banking "industry."


So what you're telling me is if Glass-Steagall had not been repealed, democrats would not have found another slick way around it to force lending to subprime candidates through NINJA loans and other shenanigans because everyone "deserves" a house?

Is the repeal of Glass-Steagall also responsible for helicopter money being dumped for student loans? Is the push for the growth of recreational degrees and skyrocketing college costs that was created by artificial demand also caused by the repeal of Glass-Steagall?

After the subprime mortgage crisis of 2007/2008, has Glass-Steagall been reincarnated? Why not?
#15239068
BlutoSays wrote:So what you're telling me is if Glass-Steagall had not been repealed, democrats would not have found another slick way around it to force lending to subprime candidates through NINJA loans and other shenanigans because everyone "deserves" a house?

Right, because that is absurd nonsense you made up.
Is the repeal of Glass-Steagall also responsible for helicopter money being dumped for student loans?

No, Republican reduction of higher education funding is.
Is the push for the growth of recreational degrees and skyrocketing college costs that was created by artificial demand also caused by the repeal of Glass-Steagall?

No, that seems to be some more nonsense you made up.
After the subprime mortgage crisis of 2007/2008, has Glass-Steagall been reincarnated? Why not?

Bankers still own the Republican party.
#15241040
Steve_American wrote:Biden's economy is better in 9 out of 10 metrics of economic performance, compared to the 1st yr of the last 7 Presidents. By my count this goes back to Pres, Carter's 1st yr. That is Biden's econ. is in the top 1 or 2 in 9 out of 10 metrics of econ. well being.
Just 6 min. long. Surely you have 6 min. to watch this.

Also, the US is doing better than all other advanced nations. IIRC.

It's a BOOM.

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It's not only a BOOM, Steve. It's a BOOM BOOM BOOM!

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Food Banks Across America Report Record Demand And Record Shortages
Zerohedge, July 30, 2022

Food pantries and food banks are a key economic indicator for tracking poverty levels and financial instability in the US, and in the past few months they have been ringing alarm bells.

Stagflationary pressures have all but wiped out the savings of the average American and driven up credit card debt to historic highs. Only in the past month have credit spending and debt levels begun to slide, but this is more a sign that consumers are tapped out rather than a sign of a return to normalcy. High prices are slowly but surely overwhelming lower wage workers in particular. The average living wage across most US states is around $16 an hour; over 30% of American workers make less than $15 an hour.

Democrats and leftists will of course claim that this is because the Federal Minimum Wage is too low and needs to be increased, but the minimum wage has become irrelevant in the post-covid economy. Many retail and service companies now pay around $11-14 an hour, well above minimum wage, in order to retain workers. And STILL prices are too high for many of these people to keep up with expenses.

Can average workers demand more money? Probably not. Low skill and no-skill workers are going to have a hard time rationalizing $16-$20 an hour for flipping burgers, brewing coffee or running cash registers. Such a broad wage increase would also trigger even higher prices on most goods, defeating the purpose of higher pay.

The notion of a low wage worker revolt is a bit of a fantasy, and in some ways it can be dangerous for those that believe in it. The trillions of dollars in covid stimulus unleashed in 2020 may have boosted retail sales and employment for a couple of years, but that's coming to an end quickly. Workers can only opt out of certain jobs for a short time (as long as their parents will let them freeload), and bargaining for more money is dependent on their ability to get employment elsewhere. It's a sure bet that by mid-2023 many “wage revolutionaries” will be begging for their old burger jobs back.

Stagflation is not a wage issue so much as a money supply issue. There are too many dollars chasing too few goods. This is coupled with numerous supply chain problems caused by covid hysteria in export nations like China that are holding up a large number of cargo ships for weeks or months at a time. When it comes to food in particular, there are weather issues, war issues and governments sabotaging food production within their own countries using nonsensical climate change restrictions (as we are seeing in places like the Netherlands).

So, if people aren't going to get higher wages, and prices are going to continue climbing, what are they going to do? They generally turn to charities to help get through the month.

Food pantries usually don't offer enough supplies to fully feed a family, but they do supplement your existing income by adding a week or two worth of sustenance per month. Many people will visit more than a couple food pantries at a time in order to stock enough for their families. The problem with price inflation is that it tends to directly affect and reduce the amount of donations that pantries receive and the amount of food they can give away.

In the past month there has been a steady stream of reports from pantries across the US stating that they are now hitting record high demand and record low supply. From New York to Wisconsin to Ohio to Missouri to Florida to Arkansas to California and beyond, pantries are running out. On top of that, it's the middle of summer – The busiest time for food banks and the Salvation Army is during the winter holidays.

The majority of pantries indicate that they are most in need of cash donations and that these have started to fade out. When it comes to necessities, most people will not or cannot reduce the frequency of their purchases. Food, gas, housing, utilities, etc. are fixed income costs, and when these costs rise workers must cut costs elsewhere. Charities are usually the first to see the chopping block.

The avalanche of reports suggests that this winter will be high in food demand and dismal in terms of supply, with little relief from charities. The most advisable option would be to stock dry and canned goods with a long shelf life now while they are still available and prepare for the cold season when demand skyrockets even higher. Even people in financial distress can utilize pantries today and stock supplies for the months ahead if they plan carefully. Those same pantries may not exist when winter rolls around, so now is the time to act.

Still, don't call it a recession (or depression)...

https://rumble.com/embed/v1bfegd




https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/foo ... -shortages
#15243699
Layoffs Are in the Works at Half of Companies, PwC Survey Shows
Bloomberg.com, August 18, 2022

More than half are freezing hiring, others rescinding offers
Contradictions abound, with pay hikes and remote work for some

If your organization isn’t letting people go, the one next door probably is.

That’s a key finding from a survey released Thursday by consultant PwC, which last month polled more than 700 US executives and board members across a range of industries. Half of respondents said they’re reducing headcount or plan to, and 52% have implemented hiring freezes. More than four in ten are rescinding job offers, and a similar amount are reducing or eliminating the sign-on bonuses that had become common to attract talent in a tight job market.

At the same time, though, about two-thirds of firms are boosting pay or expanding mental-health benefits. The most common move: making remote work permanent for more people.

More: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... f=ZMFHsM5Z
#15246985
Rail strike may be coming in the next few days... this could be interdasting


Amtrak Canceling All Long-Distance Trains Ahead Of "Potentially Disastrous" Rail Strike

Update (1525ET):

So it begins: on Wednesday afternoon, Amtrak said it will cancel all long distance trains starting Thursday, September 15 “to avoid possible passenger disruptions while enroute” as White House-led talks between freight-rail companies and unions continued in a race to avoid a rail-system shutdown Friday.

“Such an interruption could significantly impact intercity passenger rail service, as Amtrak operates almost all of our 21,000 route miles outside the Northeast Corridor on track owned, maintained, and dispatched by freight railroads,” the company said in a statement Wednesday, adding that it has already started phased adjustments which "include canceling all Long Distance trains and could be followed by impacts to most State- Supported routes”

“Adjustments are necessary to ensure trains can reach their terminals before freight railroad service interruption if a resolution in negotiations is not reached”

The good news: most travel within the Amtrak-owned Northeast Corridor (Boston - New York - Washington) and related branch lines to Albany, N.Y., Harrisburg, Penn,, and Springfield, Mass., would not be affected. Additionally the Acela service is not affected, and only a small number of Northeast Regional departures would be impacted.

As reported earlier, about 125,000 freight-rail workers could walk off the job if a deal isn’t reached by Friday’s deadline, with a strike potentially costing the world’s biggest economy more than $2 billion a day. The stoppage would be the largest of its kind since 1992, and it would snarl a wide range of goods transported by rail - from food to metal and auto parts - and threatens travel chaos for thousands of commuters, while sending inflation soaring even more.

The White House is considering an emergency decree to keep key goods flowing.

A Biden-appointed board last month issued a set of recommendations to resolve the dispute, including wage increases and better health coverage. But the proposal did not include terms on scheduling, attendance and other issues important to the two unions holding out for a deal, affiliates of the Teamsters Union and of the International Association of Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Workers. Together, they represent about 60,000 employees.

A rail strike would be “potentially disastrous,” with “dire consequences that will cascade throughout the economy if a strike actually occurs,” Business Roundtable Chief Executive Officer Joshua Bolten told reporters. Supply-chain issues would be “geometrically magnified by the rail strike, and that’s not just the occasional Amazon box showing up two days later than it should -- these are critical materials” such as chlorine to keep water clean that would be delayed, Bolten said.

According to Bloomberg, if all 7,000 long-distance freight trains available in the US stopped running, the country would need an extra 460,000 long-haul trucks daily to make up for the lost capacity, which isn’t possible because of equipment availability and driver shortages, American Trucking Associations President Chris Spear said in a letter to Congress.

More: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rai ... ress-steps
#15247291
@BlutoSays,
Lurkers, I bet that Bluto will give no credit to Biden for brokering the deal that avoided the strike.
AFAIK, it is in the hands of the workers who need to vote to accept, or not, the deal.
The corps are committed and can't back out.
IMHO, this is like sending a space mission to divert a comet. A rail strike would have been a disaster for the American economy.
It was avoided. In large part because Biden worked to avoid it.
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#15247469
Steve_American wrote:
@BlutoSays,
Lurkers, I bet that Bluto will give no credit to Biden for brokering the deal that avoided the strike.
AFAIK, it is in the hands of the workers who need to vote to accept, or not, the deal.
The corps are committed and can't back out.
IMHO, this is like sending a space mission to divert a comet. A rail strike would have been a disaster for the American economy.
It was avoided. In large part because Biden worked to avoid it.



Bluto wants to burn, not build.

His kind would be willing to burn the country to the ground, as long as he and his got to rule over the ashes.
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