- 29 Aug 2018 16:56
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I am going to leave aside the red-herring you are about to drop (ANC land-appropriation), and only address the point you are making with the nuance it requires.
If someone steals something from you, you are not violating the NAP or Just-War (which are basically the same thing) by retaliating.
However, I do not think the Islamic conquerors were wrong in retaining what they won by war (that is not my point), I think the Islamic conquerors were wrong in their initial act of violent expansion, the retaliation was in response to unjust aggression, not because the principle of victoribus spolia was believed to be inapplicable.
The war between Christendom and Islam began from the days of Muhammad and was, in my opinion, a world war which continued between Christianity and Islam through the Crusades. The Crusades were but a chapter in a larger worldwide conflict.
That depends on how you define a military? Is a person on his own property where he and all his family members are all armed, a military?
"It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals... is incompatible with freedom."
- Patrick Henry
Pants-of-dog wrote:So retaliation designed to secure stolen lands and help the people whose lands were stolen is justified.
I am going to leave aside the red-herring you are about to drop (ANC land-appropriation), and only address the point you are making with the nuance it requires.
If someone steals something from you, you are not violating the NAP or Just-War (which are basically the same thing) by retaliating.
However, I do not think the Islamic conquerors were wrong in retaining what they won by war (that is not my point), I think the Islamic conquerors were wrong in their initial act of violent expansion, the retaliation was in response to unjust aggression, not because the principle of victoribus spolia was believed to be inapplicable.
The war between Christendom and Islam began from the days of Muhammad and was, in my opinion, a world war which continued between Christianity and Islam through the Crusades. The Crusades were but a chapter in a larger worldwide conflict.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Does this apply only to military cusades, or does it also apply to non-military ventures with the same goal?
That depends on how you define a military? Is a person on his own property where he and all his family members are all armed, a military?
Last edited by Victoribus Spolia on 29 Aug 2018 17:03, edited 1 time in total.
"It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals... is incompatible with freedom."
- Patrick Henry