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maz wrote:I think that there is enough circumstantial evidence to suggest that the events leading up to the car crash went almost exactly as Fields said that they did when he was arrested. He was chased by literal terrorists and he became confused and didn't know what to do, and that he didn't intend to intentionally kill anyone.

Well, it's unlikely that he intended to single out the fat dead socialist, Heather Heyer.

Hindsite wrote:It seems to me that it is very possible Fields was having an anxiety attack knowing he was alone in a group of Antifa extremists with bats and sticks and who knows what other types of weapons.

Indeed as he was surrounded by left wing rioters engaged in criminal activity.

B0ycey wrote:You can either be one and choose to be scum or be part of the rational world and live a tolerant lifestyle.

Why do you think choosing to be a Nazi is not a rational choice? The Nazis were well-known for rationalism. They virtually adopted "survival of the fittest" ideas from Darwinists and raised it to a political ideology. Philosophers like Friedrich Nietzsche had a profound effect on Western thought that led to Nazism.

Friedrich Nietzsche wrote:The doctrine of equality! There exists no more poisonous poison: for it seems to be preached by justice itself, while it is the end of justice.


B0ycey wrote:Fields choose the first one and now has prison to look forward to.

Many likely bad-smelling leftists chose to break the law and riot in the middle of the street and were run over by James Fields, leaving the overweight Heather Heyer dead, and others injured. They made their choice. Heyer lost her life for walking unlawfully in the middle of the street, and others sustained significant injuries. They were apparently very upset about a statue of Robert E. Lee. I don't think I would risk my life to remove a statue of Robert E. Lee, but I'm very practical that way.
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blackjack21 wrote:it's unlikely that he intended to single out the fat dead socialist, Heather Heyer.

For a conviction, the prosecution don't need to prove he singled out the "fat dead socialist". Intent refers only to the state of mind with which the act is done or omitted.

Furthermore, under many state laws, killing through action showing a depraved indifference to human life can qualify as murder in the first degree.


:)
#14973065
blackjack21 wrote:Why do you think choosing to be a Nazi is not a rational choice?


Is this even a serious question? :lol:

Talk about a white supremacist apologist.

The reason choosing to be a Nazi is not rational is because to be one is based on irrational fear. The female protester isn't going to steal your rights or take away your job. Although the Capitalist might do so to make a buck - yet they are OK to you. After all, most are white. :lol:
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B0ycey wrote:Is this even a serious question? :lol:

Talk about a white supremacist apologist.

The reason choosing to be a Nazi is not rational is because to be one is based on irrational fear. The female protester isn't going to steal your rights or take away your job. Although the Capitalist might do so to make a buck - yet they are OK to you. After all, most are white. :lol:


You don’t think fear of Nazis in the US is an irrational fear? You use Nazis and Confederates to justify leftwing violence when neither actually exist as a realistic threat to anyone. The entire ‘political correct’ ideology is based upon irrational fear being sensationalized.
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One Degree wrote:You don’t think fear of Nazis in the US is an irrational fear?


What? Fearing a group that is actively against you? No One Degree, that is rational fear and historically been proven to be so.

You use Nazis and Confederates to justify leftwing violence when neither actually exist as a realistic threat to anyone. The entire ‘political correct’ ideology is based upon irrational fear being sensationalized.


I don't support any violence. I support the right to protest. Big difference.
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B0ycey wrote:I don't support any violence. I support the right to protest. Big difference.

In One Degree's world, a protest march on a street that causes minor inconvenience to the flow of traffic is "violence", while accelerating a car into a crowd of unarmed people with intent to kill and maim is "protest". You're literally trying to argue with someone whose view of the world is the exact opposite of reality.

Case in point: thinking that turning yourself in and pleading guilty to a crime is an aggravating factor when it comes to sentencing, while openly stating that you have no remorse at all for a murder that was captured by dozens of video cameras, casts doubt on your guilt. :lol:
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B0ycey wrote:The reason choosing to be a Nazi is not rational is because to be one is based on irrational fear. The female protester isn't going to steal your rights or take away your job. Although the Capitalist might do so to make a buck - yet they are OK to you. After all, most are white.


There was a time when I was a strong national-socialist sympathizer (during my alt. right days), and I assure you, the reasoning was both rational and critical.

But to your point, was it also motivated by fear?

You bet.

A fear that leads to resentment, bitterness, and eventually a real and tangible racism that can be called malevolent.

At first, the premises were very rational and the notion of ethnic self-determination and the defining of national identity all contain very cogent arguments (they still do in many ways). Likewise, many of Hitler's early policies; especially from the perspective of a Christian traditionalist, were very admirable and brilliant; like his marriage and family policies.....but after awhile, you start going down the road of the Jewish conspiracy and it gets darker and darker and more hopeless overtime.

Pretty soon you start demonizing an entire group because you seem them part of a world elite that intends to deliberately eliminate you, your kindred, and your traditions.

As an example:

I had a wealthy Jewish neighbor growing up, an old guy who was kinda a perv and was an atheist (almost unheard of in our little community), but he was always decent to me and provided me a lot of work as a teenager as well as much of my family in doing odd jobs (yard work, small construction jobs, maintenance, house-cleaning, et al.). Indeed, my father, mother, wife, step father-in-law, brother, and mother-in-law, have all worked for him at some point, and my mother-in-law still cleans his house once a week.

He was always good to me (He still lets us harvest the grapes from his old arbor as well as his apples, free of charge), and at one point he even wanted me to take over his business selling antique guns as I had been helping him part time in their cleaning, restoration, and advertising (I refused at that time because I wanted to pursue Ministry, a decision to which he expressed quite a bit of condescending disdain towards).

In spite of all this, and him always being so kind to my wife and children, I remember, after going deeper in the alt. right, starting to view him with suspicion in virtue of his being Jewish and atheist.

Soon, I didn't even want to be around him and I know this was because of how the ideology I was espousing was changing me.

So let me be clear: There are very rational reasons why someone can join identitarian movements; they have well-formulated arguments and I would still put my money on a well-read Nazi in a debate with a well-read SJW any day of the week; however, let me also be clear that marinating yourself in that ideology leads into mental states of paranoia and bitterness that are not good for any soul.

This is a similar bitterness that some on the left hold against their favorite boogeymen; like capitalists, the patriarchy, Christians, white-people, etc. How they feel about these groups, is not unlike how the alt. right feel; especially regarding the Jews. Its a very dark place to be and i'm glad I left that movement.

What has been very liberating about libertarianism (pun intended), is that you place the blame on yourself and your own people(s) for the errors that have occurred. I don't need to blame the Jews or Corporations for the degradation of the values of my people; I blame my own people and fellow citizens for it as they traded material considerations provided by the state in exchange for sacred values. They sold themselves out. No one else is to blame but us; not big corporations, not Jews, not blacks, not immigrants, not trump, not Obama, not the patriarchy, not white-privilege....just us.

We are to blame for our own societal failure and only we can make the difference.......the change starts with me and you.
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B0ycey wrote:What? Fearing a group that is actively against you? No One Degree, that is rational fear and historically been proven to be so.



I don't support any violence. I support the right to protest. Big difference.


You support Nazis right to protest?
Fearing men is rational because some men do bad things?
Fearing the police is rational because a minuscule few have done bad things?
Fear of any group is irrational because they are all made up of individuals who are good and bad. Placing a group label on them is ignorant bigotry no matter what that label is. It should be obvious from this very forum how we condemn through group labeling instead of facts.
It does not matter whether you condemn police, Nazis, or Democrats, you are a bigot. We should be judged by individual actions and not arbitrary group labels.
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One Degree wrote:You support Nazis right to protest?


I will ignore your strawman and your vain attempts at sealioning me One Degree and answer this question as it vaguely has some relivance to the text you quoted of me from. I accept the right for Nazis to protest. I do not accept they have right to drive a car into a crowd of protesters and if they do I expect they get prosecuted for either murder or attempted murder.
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B0ycey wrote:I will ignore your strawman and your vain attempts at sealioning me One Degree and answer this question as it vaguely has some relivance to the text you quoted of me from. I accept the right for Nazis to protest. I do not accept they have right to drive a car into a crowd of protesters and if they do I expect they get prosecuted for either murder or attempted murder.


You are missing the point. Nazis did not drive the car. An individual did.
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Victoribus Spolia wrote:But to your point, was it also motivated by fear?

You bet.

A fear that leads to resentment, bitterness, and eventually a real and tangible racism that can be called malevolent.


I will accept your analysis from your perspective VS. But this is the part I find most captivating from it. For people to accept Nazism - and as such a fear of a race, the route cause seems to be resentment, bitterness and something/someone to blame. The real cause of this resentment I would argue is Capitalism. Not something I plan on arguing on here but basically it has something to do with the wealth divide. This resentment is based on what previous ancestors had and what current generations believe they are entitled to. But rather than blame the actual cause they will blame the immigrant. Why? Because of irrational fear. Hence why Nazism is indeed irrational.
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maz wrote:Have you been to the downtown area of small town?

Four blocks in that kind of town is not like four blocks in somewhere like Vancouver or New York City. It's not even like four blocks in some European cities like Munich or Prague.

I have visited many towns all over the US, and I have seen a few small towns that look like Charlottesville. The entirety of downtown Charlottesville appears to be only eight blocks.

You say that Dixon saw Fields circle the block four times before the incident, so looking at the map below, you can see that Fields was likely trying to find a way out as he allegedly had been referencing Google Maps before the crash.

Consider that he probably couldn't find a way out due to the police intentionally blocking certain streets and access ways and the leftist groups intentionally blocking the streets so that they can harass people in their vehicles.

Combined with not being able to find a way out in a tightly controlled area, the threats from the violent leftist mobs and individuals like Dixon and his Redneck Revolt white terror cell, it is no wonder a guy like Fields panic or snapped or whatever.

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Again, that would require the racist murderer to have pulled up slowly to the intersection in a panic, idle his car for a short while in a panic, reverse slowly in a panic, and then drive into the crowd in a panic.

No one is taking your claim seriously.
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B0ycey wrote:I will accept your analysis from your perspective VS. But this is the part I find most captivating from it. For people to accept Nazism - and as such a fear of a race, the route cause seems to be resentment, bitterness and something/someone to blame. The real cause of this resentment I would argue is Capitalism. Not something I plan on arguing on here but basically it has something to do with the wealth divide. This resentment is based on what previous ancestors had and what current generations believe they are entitled to. But rather than blame the actual cause they will blame the immigrant. Why? Because of irrational fear. Hence why Nazism is indeed irrational.


These human feelings existed long before capitalism.
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B0ycey wrote:Indeed. It is called racism. :lol:

But we were discussing why becoming a Nazi could be rational. VS brought forward an analysis and I gave mine in return that accepted his viewpoint but ultimately disagreed with the conclusion.


That brings up a lot of thoughts of my own, but I will refrain and let you two discuss.
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B0ycey wrote:I will accept your analysis from your perspective VS. But this is the part I find most captivating from it. For people to accept Nazism - and as such a fear of a race, the route cause seems to be resentment, bitterness and something/someone to blame. The real cause of this resentment I would argue is Capitalism. Not something I plan on arguing on here but basically it has something to do with the wealth divide. This resentment is based on what previous ancestors had and what current generations believe they are entitled to. But rather than blame the actual cause they will blame the immigrant. Why? Because of irrational fear. Hence why Nazism is indeed irrational.


Of course this is the part you would find most captivating, its the part most confirming of your own biases. :lol:

Thing is, blaming and hating the rich, which are often more near-at-hand than you would think, is equally dehumanizing, resentful, bitter, and hopeless.

If I were a communist, I would've hated the same rich Jewish neighbor, only instead of hating him for being part of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy, I would have hated him for being part of a worldwide greedy capitalist elite who didn't pay me or my family members our fair share as his employees.

How is that any better? Its not.

Its the same thing and my point is that we we always blame society's problems on others instead of ourselves and our own in-group for its contributions to our world's degradation.

If you can't blame yourself and your own group for its problems in life, then you are no better than a Nazi in my opinion, for you live by a philosophy of fear.

Instead of fearing Jewish hollywood mogols, inner-city black gangs, MS13, or demographic displacement, you instead fear people who have more than you, religious people, entrepreneurs, and alienation. Its a mirror-image philosophy.

Indeed, contrary to popular belief, rich people are still people too and my rich Jewish neighbor was still a relatively good and decent man for offering us work, irrespective of the pay he offered relative to his own wealth and irrespective of his race.

If I resent him, its because of something in me, not him; contrary to nazism and marxism.

Do you want more evidence that both are philosophies of fear?

Here it is:

Both feel that a big and powerful state must come rescue them from those who have kept them down.
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SpecialOlympian wrote:That individual represents all nazis and average conservative thought.


Your support of ignorant bigotry is not an argument. I am a human. Do my actions represent all humans? I am an American. Do my actions represent all America. Bigotry does not become more rational simply because you enjoy your own bigotry.
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SpecialOlympian wrote:Bigotry against nazis is good hope that helps.

Besides, it's not my decision. James Fields became the living avatar of conservative beliefs. That's just a thing now.


So it is fair I judge all liberals based upon your posts? I suppose it doesn’t matter to you it was liberals who decided he was the living avatar and not Nazis? Lol. Keep trying to put a good face on obvious bigotry and political persecution of an individual.
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