[Eauz]

This is a necessity. The U.S.A. just profits off internment camps on the domestic side.

The West should adopt the internment camps.

[Sivad]

If you/anyone wants to prove these internment camps exist, feel free to go ahead.

So far there isn't any evidence.

There's plenty of circumstantial evidence that corroborates the allegation. We have every reason to suspect China of doing shit like this so if an allegation is made the world is rationally obligated to take it seriously.

[skinster]

I'm just asking for evidence. I'm willing to believe it if any is presented but none has been and I don't trust think-tanks like Foreign Policy, corporate news in general or people like Mike Pompeo on stuff like this, sorry.

[Sivad]

I'm just asking for evidence.

Well since China restricts travel and censors all communication, confirmation is a little hard to come by.

I'm willing to believe it if any is presented but none has been and I don't trust think-tanks like Foreign Policy, corporate news in general or people like Mike Pompeo on stuff like this, sorry.

Fair enough, but then why give China the benefit of the doubt? I trust Mike Pompeo and the fake corporate news more than I trust the Chinese state not engage in mass internment. Whn it comes to China you should just assume that shit is happening. Any government that restricts travel and censors communication is automatically suspect because it's already engaging in mass human rights abuses.

[skinster]

Fair enough, but then why give China the benefit of the doubt?

Because I tend to believe things if there is evidence for them.

I get you hate China and I understand how easy it is for an American to do - I experienced casual racism against China when working in the U.S. on two separate occasions - but if there are claims against X country, evidence has to come with it. If there is none, then there is none and we can move along. Good day.

[Sivad]

Because I tend to believe things if there is evidence for them.

You obviously don't. There is evidence that China is doing that and you refuse to acknowledge it. It's not conclusive evidence, but it's enough to warrant strong suspicion.

casual racism against China

gotta say that I'm a little surprised that you'd stoop that low. Even with your gulagism I didn't peg you as the sort that would pull that kind of stupid race card bullshit. What a shame.

[Ter]

China is providing free education to its wayward minorities.
It is all a big misunderstanding.
Nothing to see here, folks, move on.

[skinster]

You obviously don't. There is evidence that China is doing that and you refuse to acknowledge it. It's not conclusive evidence, but it's enough to warrant strong suspicion.

No Sivad, there is no evidence. If there was, you would've provided it already, instead of doing that whiny-bitch thing you do.

gotta say that I'm a little surprised that you'd stoop that low. Even with your gulagism I didn't peg you as the sort that would pull that kind of stupid race card bullshit. What a shame.

Oh spare me your bullshit please, you ITT referred to a land of over a billion people as a mass internment camp and think that isn't racist?

Still, as I said, I experienced casual racism towards Chinese people in the U.S. and it appears by seeing the same by people like you and other Americans on this board, it's clear you're manipulated into hating a country you've never been to that is as usual another target-country of your country that again, you hate, because of "gulagism" or some shit, as if that's an argument for anything, sans evidence of whatever it is you're trying to say.

Maybe you should travel more instead of displaying yourself as a typical ignorant, racist and arrogant, American. It's not a good look to anyone outside your borders of countries you stole.

[Rancid]

China is providing free education to its wayward minorities.
It is all a big misunderstanding.
Nothing to see here, folks, move on.

I agree. There was a woman that was in one of these camps. If I recall correctly, she testified to some court in like Kazakhstan (I think she was detained because she crossed the border illegally or something like that). If I recall correctly, she testified what a wonderful place those camps are.

[foxdemon]

Citation of more than one source, needed.

Gay had none.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_McDougall


What would Gay know? It is not like a 70 year old human rights lawyer would know anything about violation of minority rights. Just because she is vice-chair person of CERD shouldn’t mean that she can be taken as a source of credibility. Rather we should listen to people on POFO and their dubious twitter sources. Or perhaps the Chinese government.





Oh look, Aljzeera seems to agree with Gay’s assessment.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/china-defends-internment-camps-uighur-muslims-181016072549867.html

But we all know what a pro neocon mouth Aljzeera is. And taking advice from former detainees and Patrick Poon, head of Amnesty International China. Obvious not credible sources.

Only the Chinese government is a credible source. If they say they are just trying to help the Uighurs by building all these camps https://www.aspi.org.au/report/mapping-xinjiangs-re-education-camps , simply to provide free re-education, then we should take them at their word.

[skinster]

What would Gay know? It is not like a 70 year old human rights lawyer would know anything about violation of minority rights. Just because she is vice-chair person of CERD shouldn’t mean that she can be taken as a source of credibility. Rather we should listen to people on POFO and their dubious twitter sources. Or perhaps the Chinese government.

Gay presented no evidence for the million-strong internment camps claim.

Oh look, Aljzeera seems to agree with Gay’s assessment.

But we all know what a pro neocon mouth Aljzeera is.

Al Jazeera was indeed a pro-neocon mouthpiece very recently, supporting war on Syria. Did you miss that?

And taking advice from former detainees and Patrick Poon, head of Amnesty International China. Obvious not credible sources.

Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch etc. have been caught out recently supporting lies on Libya on the way to its destruction (Gaddafi's troops committing viagra-fuelled mass-rapes) and lies about Syria (chemical weapon use and torture-prisons in Syria that also didn't exist).

Only the Chinese government is a credible source. If they say they are just trying to help the Uighurs by building all these camps https://www.aspi.org.au/report/mapping-xinjiangs-re-education-camps , simply to provide free re-education, then we should take them at their word.

An Australian government think-tank, huh. I'm not reading that entire report, quote the relevant parts and evidence it presented, thanks.

I am amused that there are still people who think the U.S. gives a shit about human rights anywhere. Muslim human rights too!

[Sivad]

Oh spare me your bullshit please, you ITT referred to a land of over a billion people as a mass internment camp and think that isn't racist?

Still, as I said, I experienced casual racism towards Chinese people in the U.S. and it appears by seeing the same by people like you and other Americans on this board, it's clear you're manipulated into hating a country you've never been to that is as usual another target-country of your country that again, you hate, because of "gulagism" or some shit, as if that's an argument for anything, sans evidence of whatever it is you're trying to say.

Maybe you should travel more instead of displaying yourself as a typical ignorant, racist and arrogant, American. It's not a good look to anyone outside your borders of countries you stole.

And skinster goes full liberal.

[skinster]

Not sure how that even makes sense. I was calling out casual racism, something liberals are good at, for example, vis-a-vis Russia atm. And with China, something I experienced myself in America and again ITT from Americans.

Still, at people who think their politicians care about human rights in countries on their target list, or human rights in general.

[Sivad]

Not sure how that even makes sense.

Making bogus racism accusations because you don't have an argument is a total liberal move. Calling China a fucked up gulag isn't racist if China is in fact a fucked up gulag and China is definitely a fucked up mass gulag. But you can keep calling me a racist, all it does it is further discredit you.

[skinster]

Making bogus racism accusations because you don't have an argument is a total liberal move. Calling China a fucked up gulag isn't racist if China is in fact a fucked up gulag and China is definitely a fucked up mass gulag. But you can keep calling me a racist, all it does it is further discredit you.

It's not a bogus racism accusation, since you're obviously racist about China, as can be seen in this post as well as elsewhere ITT.

[Deutschmania]

First off , the People's Republic of China does have a legitimate concern over the terrorism committed by Uigur Islamist nationalist groups . https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26414014 https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/east-turkestan-islamic-movement-etim , https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-security-xinjiang-idUSKBN13N12P And officially at least , the PRC does recognize religious freedom http://en.people.cn/92824/92845/92875/6442436.html , as well as facilitates and regulates religious activity , through such agencies as the State Administration For Religious Affairs . However , as tied in with my last topic thread I posted on this forum , there have been concerns that the surveillance state has been going too far , in its oversight of domestic security , to the point of overbearingly infringing upon personal privacy , which some might describe as being reminiscent of Big Brother , in the novel 1984 . https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/china-surveillance-technology-muslims/567443/ . So while I do believe that strong effective measures should be taken to ensure public order , through appropiate regulation , and couter-terrorism investigation , if such policies were to be enacted in say for instance the U.S.A. , under the Trump administration , I suppose that it would be seen as being further indication of fascist style usurpation . P.S. For more information on the official policy of the Communist Party of China regarding religious freedom , here is this report . http://www.china.org.cn/china/2018-04/04/content_50815053.htm

[Rancid]

I'm surprised they allow religion, but I guess its ok so long as you control it strictly. Religious organization present a competing hierarchy to the paternal central government.

[skinster]

[Igor Antunov]

Hey if the camps serve their purpose in de-radicalizing islamists, then more power to them. Religion should serve the state, it should never become the state.

[foxdemon]

@skinster Oh, oh, anyone who doesn’t critique Israel for responding to Islamic aggression is racist.


Also @skinster Oh, oh, anyone who criticises China for responding to Islamic aggression is racist.


So which is it? Perhaps @skinster has been appointed by God to decide who can and who can not oppress Muslims?