[Londonbiker]

So the Commons meaningful vote is on 14th January 2019.

Corbyn also held back on calling on no confidence vote on May.

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[B0ycey]

She has wasted a month. As soon as the WA gets voted down the real debate starts and the course of Brexit begins to emerge.

[B0ycey]

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OOOHHHHHH JEREMY COORBYYNN....

Either bring forward a second referendum or move on May. Your stubbornness is making this national joke beyond embarrassing.

[Rich]

All depends how far those reforms are supposed to go.
It seems to me that the idea of a federal Europe is no longer on the cards.
If the EU could swing back to being a free trade zone without political ambtions, that would neutralise a lot of the scepticism.

The fantasy world of the Brexiteers. As if free trade deals don't involve politics. Modern trade deals involve massive loss of sovereignty, especially when they involve services. Every regulation, from local, regional and national level, every purchasing decision, by every local regional and national administration possibly conflicts with the rules of a free trade deal.

What about the conditions under which goods are produced? Was it Ok to buy Cotton produced by American slaves, north America or South America? Was it OK to trade freely with products produced in Auschwitz or the Gulag Archipelago? What if we want to have a free trade deal with Iran, I imagine there's a group of people who would soon start whining about the politics.

[ingliz]

Corbyn unbottles his bottling

Labour Whips
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@labourwhips

@jeremycorbyn has just announced that he is tabling a vote of no confidence in @theresa_may for refusing to bring forward the meaningful vote immediately. The Govt must now make time to debate this - if they don’t it’s clear they believe she does not retain confidence of HoC


With the DUP holding the cards, it is probably the best Labour can do in the circumstances.

[Londonbiker]

Labour Whips

@labourwhips

@jeremycorbyn has just announced that he is tabling a vote of no confidence in @theresa_may for refusing to bring forward the meaningful vote immediately. The Govt must now make time to debate this - if they don’t it’s clear they believe she does not retain confidence of HoC


With the DUP holding the cards, it is probably the best Labour can do in the circumstances.

Many are highlighting the fact that JC threatened to table a no confidence vote on the government not PMTM, seeing as she’s just won 12 months breathing space.

[Londonbiker]

Hardly any signs of leadership from number 10.

[B0ycey]

Wasn't Westminster formed for political games to be debated?

Anyway, who would have thought it? The DUP are currently the most powerful party in parliament.

[JohnRawls]

:excited:

Its good to be excited Pot. Change is coming

@Ter
You know yourself what changes they want.
And federal Europe is definitely on the table.

The main "Reform" that the eurosceptics are asking for is: illegal immigration reform and financial reform related to debt handling.

There are some other minor issues but both of the top ones stand out way too much.

[noemon]

Blackjack's, Ter's, Albert's and the others anti-European, anti-white and anti-EU rants are only background noise, same as blocking out my children whinging, they are just rambling like Smeagle...."bureacrats, technocratses, Europeans, white peopleses comings togethers forming a powerful stateses...tricksy, we hates it...."

The hilarious bit is that the most anti-white bigotry comes from those who profess themselves as white nationalists but they hate it when white European countries come together to form single entities.

[Ter]

There is no point in throwing insults back and forth.
Let's see how many seats the Euro-sceptic parties will get in the European "Parliament" after the next elections.

[JohnRawls]

There is no point in throwing insults back and forth.
Let's see how many seats the Euro-sceptic parties will get in the European "Parliament" after the next elections.

But what does that change? They are not interested in your view of dismantling Europe or reverting it back to what it was 50 years ago.

[Ter]

But what does that change? They are not interested in your view of dismantling Europe or reverting it back to what it was 50 years ago.

It seems clear to me that they do not want a federal European state.
The EU will not be dismantled but it will have to become less pretentious, and less political.

You Europhiles can brag as much as you like but the shock of the UK leaving, the attitude of Hungary and Poland and others, and the big fat "fuck you" the Italians gave the EU when stopping the Mediterranean taxi service for economic migrants, it was well worth it.

Let us see what happens next. The people of Europe, especially the working people, will no longer be silent in fighting globalism and elitism. What happened in France can happen anywhere, fuck those eco taxes and high taxes in general.

[Beren]

Justine Greening says it is 'simply wrong' for MPs to take two-week Christmas break while Brexit crisis unresolved

It's amusing indeed that while the ship is wrecking the crew go on vacation right in the middle of the storm like everything's fine and they're just ordinary hardworking passengers having been doing an excellent job and pretending there's an abundance of time to finish it later.

In the Commons Brexit debate Justine Greening, the Conservative pro-European former cabinet minister, said there was “no excuse” for delaying the vote on the Brexit deal until the middle of January. She said:

'We have spent two and a half years going round in circles and we cannot simply go nowhere, we have to now take some decisions about going somewhere ...

MPs in this place would be happy to delay recess, frankly I’d be happy to sit through Christmas and into the new year if it meant we could find a direction on Brexit for businesses and people who want certainty about where this country is going.

People simply won’t understand why this place is packing up and having a two week holiday when we face the biggest constitutional crisis that this country has had in decades, it is simply wrong, the government has to recognise this.'

[Potemkin]

It's amusing indeed that while the ship is wrecking the crew go on vacation right in the middle of the storm like everything's fine and they're just ordinary hardworking passengers having been doing an excellent job and pretending there's an abundance of time to finish it later.

"Iceberg? What iceberg...?"

[B0ycey]

I think May is hoping for an epiphany that only a holiday walk can provide.

Ultimately Greening is correct. Delaying the vote solves nothing as it moves the problem to a later date. It would make more sense to get this vote over and done with now so the nation can start evaluating the options we have left and actually give a direction to both business and the public. And if that means parliament working through Christmas so be it.

[Beren]

"Iceberg? What iceberg...?"

We'd still have enough time to avoid it, but we really need to take a two-week holiday, so go home, celebrate Christmas and New Year, and prepare for collision. The British parliament + government are the new kings and queens of absurd, while the whole world's watching.

[Londonbiker]

I think May is hoping for an epiphany that only a holiday walk can provide.

Ultimately Greening is correct. Delaying the vote solves nothing as it moves the problem to a later date. It would make more sense to get this vote over and done with now so the nation can start evaluating the options we have left and actually give a direction to both business and the public. And if that means parliament working through Christmas so be it.

I echo your viewpoint in reference to both delaying the vote & working through Christmas, however in reality the Houses of Parliament majority wouldn’t approve it despite all the spin & waffle from those advocating it.

Meanwhile, no deal media releases from HMG is ruffling feathers from the likes of Guy judging by his twitter rants.

[B0ycey]

I echo your viewpoint in reference to both delaying the vote & working through Christmas, however in reality the Houses of Parliament majority wouldn’t approve it despite all the spin & waffle from those advocating it.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows this deal is dead. Simple arithmetic. She needs to find the ten votes she will lose from the DUP plus the 117 votes she will lose from her own party and get them from Labour. She will get none as it would be political suicide to back such a hated deal as an opposition MP. So why wait and waste time moving on when the outcome is a foregone conclusion? MPs need time to discuss the viable outcomes and currently the only one I can see getting cross party agreement is a second referendum.

[Beren]

So why wait and waste time

Wasting time is the whole point of this, as you know it, although it's like Bruce Willis and his crew taking a two-week holiday before saving the Earth from the asteroid while Anglican bishops are praying for their integrity. How can this be a reality?