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Short update:

FYROM Parliament ratified the deal with Greece.
The President refused to sign it.
The Parliament ratified the deal second time, this, by the Constitution, avoids the need for Presidential signature.
Next step - confirmation referendum.
Then - the change of FYROM Constitution.
Then - Greece decides to ratify the deal.
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Manfred Weber is a German Conservative politician who belongs to the CDU(Merkel's party), he is the Leader of the European People's Party(EU-wide Conservative Coalition that currently enjoys EU wide majority) in the European Parliament and a candidate for President of the European Commission, he most likely will replace Juncker when his term runs out if the Conservatives win the EU elections again.

The stance of Mitsotakis is that the deal should not go through and that FYROM should not be recognised as "Macedonia".

In FYROM, they are having some difficulty finding the necessary MP's to vote the deal.
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Northern Macedonia has voted to amend its constitution and change its name. PM Zoran Zaev required a 2/3 majority in Parliament to achieve constitutional amendments and after much negotiation with nationalist opposition MP's who boycotted the vote it managed to snatch 8 of them(who were consequently disbarred from the nationalist party VMRO) and vote it through. The name of the country will officially change once the Greek parliament ratifies the deal next week.
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Is Greek parliament expected to ratify it, or play their own political games?
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It will be ratified 99.9%.

Tsipras far-right coalition partner said that the he will resign and take his MP's with him when the time comes, but yesterday he went on telly and said: "Did I actually say that?", anyhow even if he resigns, there are other parties(PASOK, Potami) that will vote for the deal with SYRIZA anyway.
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noemon wrote:It will be ratified 99.9%.

Tsipras far-right coalition partner said that the he will resign and take his MP's with him when the time comes, but yesterday he went on telly and said: "Did I actually say that?", anyhow even if he resigns, there are other parties(PASOK, Potami) that will vote for the deal with SYRIZA anyway.


What is your opinion of the entire situation? Don't make me go back through the thread to find out!

As an outsider, I would say, Greece should invade and annex Norther Macedonia. Make a new province with the same name.
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Rancid wrote:What is your opinion of the entire situation? Don't make me go back through the thread to find out!


As posted in June in this thread:

noemon wrote:All things considered I think it is a good solution, it is quite honourable for both countries as Greece gets its 2 main points:

a) a distinguishing word to separate the 2 Macedonias even though arguably a better one could have been found (.ie one that does not imply North Macedonia is part of a greater Macedonia), possibly New Macedonia or Slavic Macedonia would have been better.
b) a clear commitment to seize and desist the historical propaganda and appropriation

And Skopje gets its 2 main points:

The recognition of the Macedonian nation and language. As part of the Slavic family but that is not a retreat in anyway but factual reality.


I think that by putting this issue behind us, we can focus on rebuilding the entire Balkan neighbourhood. A lot of Balkan people(especially Bulgarians, Romanians and Albanians) speak Greek as a second language, and listen to Greek music religiously. We should reconstitute the Balkans now that this thorn has been removed. The Balkans is a wonderful place that has a lot of potential, with a significant population(80 million) and a lot of rebuilding required. If the Balkans were a country or a bloc, it would be the largest country in Europe, both in size and population. It has the finest athletes in a huge range of sport. It has proud populations and the longest history in Europe. Plus only a reconstituted Balkan area can stand up to Turkey who is set to overtake all European economies by 2040 or even by 2030 by other estimates and has already overtaken all European countries in population.
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noemon wrote:It will be ratified 99.9%.

Tsipras far-right coalition partner said that the he will resign and take his MP's with him when the time comes, but yesterday he went on telly and said: "Did I actually say that?", anyhow even if he resigns, there are other parties(PASOK, Potami) that will vote for the deal with SYRIZA anyway.


Kammenos, the partner, resigned today. We no longer have a coalition government, there will be a vote of confidence set to be won, then a ratification of the deal also set to be won on Tuesday and then setting the motion for the upcoming elections which are upon us anyway.

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