[Hindsite]

As I have said again and again Rich. If you want them gone, do workplace enforcement and prohibit remittances. Full stop. No wall. No army of border patrol. Just pass airtight work elegibility tests and arrest employers who hire illegals. It is truly that simple.

That is a stupid suggestion when you should know that the open borders Pelosi would never agree to that. She is such a moral person you know.

Trump wants to get rid of illegals. He could start workplace enforcement by executive order. Why doesn't he do that?

Any thing he tries to do would be challenged in the 9th circuit as immoral, unconstitutional, or some other crazy reason by the Dems like they do on everything else.

dumb, dumb, and dumber. I am presently in South Florida. We have lots of Mexicans and Haitians here who will be willing and able to fix your car, condo, do yard work or ……. whatever. Just give em cash and they will get it done at half price. The work quality is excellent. I just had a hot water heater replaced for $550 less than the Home Depot quote. I paid in $100 bills.

You are really helping matters. I am sure Pelosi would be proud of you as a very moral person.

I don't want the border shut down til after I get the hell out of here first. Lol.

I did not realize you were an illegal alien. You presented yourself as a person of virtue. So did you overstay your visa?

[Stormsmith]

Donald Trump was not the one that started overlooking the illegal immigrants crossing the border to provide cheap labor for the California farmers, etc. Many Presidents have come and gone since then and President Trump has also said said something should have done about illegal immigration and our poor immigration laws years ago. But now that he is trying to do something about it, we have Nancy Pelosi (California) Democrat in control of the House of Representatives and she refuses. That is why there is a partial government shutdown in an attempt to do something about it. By the way, Pelosi from San Francisco, California, a sanctuary city for illegal immigrants, was the leader in the House of Representatives years before Trump came along. Pelosi is an open borders Democrat.

Really? President Trump uses illegal immigrants in New York city. He knows how to keep them off the books, but two women have spoken up on the topic. He just doesn't want you to have them.

[XogGyux]

Wow Pelosi splits Trump like a twig down the middle. I saw DACA for the wall coming but I figured it was going to be the Democrats bringing it up. Is it just me or this idiot after 30 days of government shut down just called a press conference to cave in front of the American people for a deal that Democrats had proposed a long time ago, with more $$ for wall and he declined?

[jimjam]

You are really helping matters. I am sure Pelosi would be proud of you as a very moral person.

I helped myself. Just like your boy Trump. The only morality in Money transactions is mathematics. I now have $550 in my pocket that would have been in the pocket of Home Depot. I'm sure Comrade Donald would be proud of me.

[Tainari88]

Be real. We have the Trump shutdown because Comrade Donald must prove to his "base" and Fox Fake News that he has the biggest penis around. This is plain as day

Let him continue with his bullshit. No one is convinced. Most Americans blame him. He is the one boasting on TV he took the 'mantle'. If he leaves these fed workers to be without pay for months? Get ready for a meltdown. I went to my tax accountant. An American citizen who is from Northern Mexico descent and speaks Spanish telling me that the tax refunds could be delayed this year. See if he keeps millions of people without or delaying their refunds? He is going to be causing some financial pain.

If American damn fanatic cult worshipers of Trumpism think that is something that will win them the 2020 elections they are seriously mistaken.

[Tainari88]

That is a stupid suggestion when you should know that the open borders Pelosi would never agree to that. She is such a moral person you know.

Any thing he tries to do would be challenged in the 9th circuit as immoral, unconstitutional, or some other crazy reason by the Dems like they do on everything else.


You are really helping matters. I am sure Pelosi would be proud of you as a very moral person.


I did not realize you were an illegal alien. You presented yourself as a person of virtue. So did you overstay your visa?

No Hindsite, I am voluntarily retiring to Mexico. Out of my own free will. I like Mexicans. And Central Americans. And Puerto Rico is a mess made by your stupid ass president who said he would forgive the debt to relieve the burden of unpayable vulture banksters but caved in to them. He is the swamp.

I am taking my money out of the USA and investing it in a nation with a socialist president. I am a USA citizen by default. But the Mexican government I have worked with in the past working and I got a good track record. They want to make me a double citizen. USA and Mexican. Both. So I can jump back and forth over the border and go to Augusta and laugh at your lack of true Christianity hating on fellow Christians because they are not Georgian people who never spoke a word of Spanish in their lives. Or can type as fast as I do.

I do love Dolly Parton though. So? We can go to a Dolly Parton concert together. Lol.

The USA is not going to keep my money. And I will sink many decades of social security checks and pensions into the Mexican economy and to tutor Central American and Mexican poor kids for FREE. That way they make progress in life and don't have to deal with racist haters from the USA and can stay stable in their home countries over time. That is the goal. Make the original nations stable. Period. No need to come here.

You are not doing a damn thing but creating problems for all and then won't have anyone to blame but yourselves. You won't strengthen the Puerto Rican economy. You will get thousands of us in Georgia. Atlanta especially and Florida for sure. Voting against the ones refusing to get our economy better. And Puerto Ricans have citizenship. Nothing you can do to keep us out of Georgia. NOTHING.

If you don't do anything for Mexico over time? Guess what? You get the Mexicans here. Same for Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, etc. They all will come here. @XogGyux is Cuban background. Cuba doesn't progress financially and no Obama style open relations with Cuba? Cubans jumping in here wanting middle class lives and the Cubans are not Mexicans. They are on average more formally educated people. SO?

You are STUCK with all the problems. Unless you grow some brains. Period.

[Drlee]

we have Nancy Pelosi (California) Democrat in control of the House of Representatives and she refuses. That is why there is a partial government shutdown in an attempt to do something about it.

Refuses to do what? Go against the will of the people?

It is Trump who wants to go against the people. He is a autocrat not a democrat. Let us reiterate. This is ALL TRUMP ALL THE TIME. Even the republican senate does not want this.

You see Hindsite here is the deal. Smart people (the majority of Americans) realize that this wall is a solution in search of a problem. There is no crisis.

Those of us who live on the Southern border of the US can see it. We are not alarmed. Why? Because we are not afraid of Latino's. Why? Because they are our neighbors, friends and coworkers. We love them in the same way people in Georgia love their neighbors. (ahem.) Well. Sort of.

Why are you and One Degree so frightened of the people Tanari just described? What have the done to you? They have a lower crime rate. They work very hard for little money. They take care of their kids, almost universally attend church and are quiet and peaceful neighbors. We do not need fewer people like them, we need more.

But what we have now are super-entitled feeling white people who are frightened. Why? Because they did not convert their considerable white privilege into an education or job skills.

Take the coal miners for example. The problem is not that coal is going away. Lots of jobs have gone away. The problem is that they are used to earning $50,000.00+ per year and are under-educated and/or under-trained to replace what is essentially very high wages for low-skilled work.

So what do they do? They look for a scapegoat. 'Oh its illegal immigrants that got my job.' Not so. But here is the deal coal miner. There are plenty of jobs for you. Walmart is hiring. McDonald's is hiring. Hotels are hiring grounds and house keepers. Retail is hiring. Farmers are dying for pickers. But welcome to the real world miner.

You don't think I have heard you miner? You and your fake conservative bullshit about entry level jobs and pulling yourself up by the bootstraps? You think we did not hear you making fun of welfare mothers and immigrant struggling to make a new home? Well it is your turn now dude. Stop whining about liberals and illegal immigrants and put your ideals to work. Sell your house, move to the big city and apply at Walmart, Target, Amazon or Taco Bell. Pull yourselves up by the bootstraps. You have been saying for years that this is what "they" should do. Now you do it.

Or maybe you ought to make a call to one of those legislators you keep electing who opposed health care and a higher minimum wage. Tell them your problems. I am sure they will listen to YOU. You are a special snowflake aren't you. They will listen to you. You did not really mean all of that stuff about cutting Obamacare for the unemployed. You didn't really mean all of that stuff about how raising the minimum wage costs jobs. You didn't really mean all that stuff about getting the government out of the job training business or how free college is nothing more than welfare.

Tanari very kindly called me a real conservative. Real conservatives believe in the truth. And the truth is that people need help sometimes. We realize the purpose of our nation is revealed in the preamble to our constitution when it says....

".... promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity".

We true conservatives realize that doing this costs money, time and effort. It always has. It is called "investment". We invest in great public education and great state universities, paid mostly with taxpayer money and we become the most powerful and prosperous nation in the history of the planet. We invest money we taxed mostly rich people for and we get a world leading interstate highway system which makes us ALL richer.

But along comes these weirdos who think they are conservative. They eschew investment. They expect everyone to fend for themselves and then wonder why we all fail. They do not think of us as a nation. They think of us as "those blacks, those Mexicans, those gays, those lib'rals" against "us" and can't seem to understand why we are failing and at each others throat.

So like the playground failures that they are they elect a four year old to the presidency. They blame the other kid. They won't share their toys. And they are afraid all of the time. They believe the way to get higher is to climb on bodies of the other kids.

A real conservative, Major General, Senator and Republican presidential candidate Barry M. Goldwater said this:

Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

You don't need to be straight to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight.

Most of you wouldn't recognize a real conservative if you saw one.

[Hindsite]

No Hindsite, I am voluntarily retiring to Mexico. Out of my own free will. I like Mexicans. And Central Americans. And Puerto Rico is a mess made by your stupid ass president who said he would forgive the debt to relieve the burden of unpayable vulture banksters but caved in to them. He is the swamp.

So now you believe President trump has the power to cause hurricanes. That's a crazy leftist for you.

I am taking my money out of the USA and investing it in a nation with a socialist president. I am a USA citizen by default. But the Mexican government I have worked with in the past working and I got a good track record. They want to make me a double citizen. USA and Mexican. Both. So I can jump back and forth over the border and go to Augusta and laugh at your lack of true Christianity hating on fellow Christians because they are not Georgian people who never spoke a word of Spanish in their lives. Or can type as fast as I do.

I have no desire to go to Mexico or speak that gibberish.

I do love Dolly Parton though. So? We can go to a Dolly Parton concert together. Lol.

That is something I would also like to do.

You are not doing a damn thing but creating problems for all and then won't have anyone to blame but yourselves.

I can't do much to create any problems. You really don't make much sense to me.

You are STUCK with all the problems. Unless you grow some brains. Period.

I am too old for that.

[Godstud]

So now you believe President trump has the power to cause hurricanes. That's a crazy leftist for you.

She said nothing of the sort. Your statement is stupid. Trump did and still does, have the power to help the people in Puerto Rico. He doesn't because it doesn't stroke his massive dipshit ego.

I have no desire to go to Mexico or speak that gibberish.[/quote} Nice racist and ignorant comment.

You're too uneducated, and Trump-sucking, for that. You're stuck in your moronic worship of a fool.

Nothing you said is actually an argument or a rebuttal of what @Tainari88 said. Give it up, troll.

[B0ycey]

How does saying the corporate elites want illegals justify you being against Trump trying to stop them? That makes no sense. You are supporting what you say you are against because you don’t like Trump?

You have ignored what I have written and repeated your mantra again!!!!

I don't give a shit if Trump builds his wall. It isn't my tax Dollars being spent on a vanity white elephant. Although as I have repeatedly said to you and it fails to sink in is that the problem to halt illegal migrants from entering America is not to build a wall but to send the people like Trump who exploit cheap labor to prison. Get it? I won't hold my breath.

And I also want to point out I have also told you before that the wall won't stop illegal migrants from entering either. It will just move the point of entry for them and enhance illegal trafficking. So $5 billion wasted.

#policybeforebricksandmortar

[B0ycey]

It has been proven from history that socialist need the capitalist to steal from in order to carry out their programs to create their imaginary utopia, example Venezuela.

What does it matter to the worker if his employer is the state or a billionaire? Socialism doesn't need to be a failure. In fact it works very well within a capitalist framework for many nations. The problem for Venezuela was their dependency on high oil prices and their lack of alternative economic model to sustain spending if it lowered. This resulted in low imports and high inflation due to low supply when it did. So for Venezuela to be a success it never needed to change social policy. They need to understand the mechanisms of the free market and focus on creating the invisible hand. In other words, they should have invested in the means of production along with social reform when Chavez got in power.

But the end results in ruin and more people living in the garbage dumps. American capitalism has made the USA the wealthiest nation, which gives more aid to other countries than any other nation in the world. However, we are now in danger because of all the social welfare and social justice from the constant increase over the years of socialists in government power.

Capitalism by its very nature is a system of debt and profit. When one person profits, someone/something else must owe. It is a contradiction. And it has created the wealth divide in America. So it isn’t socialism that sends people to live in garbage dumps but the Capitalists. Socialism is merely a concept. And it is most definitely affordable for America. How many operations could be funded to the poor with $5.7 billion I wonder? So no HS, Centrism and a hybrid economy is the best solution for a nation. Not an economy that requires the existence of the Petro-Dollar to fund over spending so Trump and his irk can live in ivory towers whilst watching out of their windows the rest in America on minimum wage queuing in breadlines.

Donald Trump was not the one that started overlooking the illegal immigrants crossing the border to provide cheap labor for the California farmers, etc. Many Presidents have come and gone since then and President Trump has also said said something should have done about illegal immigration and our poor immigration laws years ago. But now that he is trying to do something about it, we have Nancy Pelosi (California) Democrat in control of the House of Representatives and she refuses. That is why there is a partial government shutdown in an attempt to do something about it. By the way, Pelosi from San Francisco, California, a sanctuary city for illegal immigrants, was the leader in the House of Representatives years before Trump came along. Pelosi is an open borders Democrat.

The ills of former presidents is not an excuse to ruin the lives of millions who were exploited by the Capitalists for cheap labor today. Give them their sanctuary cities and work visas in return for policy reform to halt the draw. Don't ask for a vanity white elephant. This is true compromise. Although as Trump and his irk love paying for cheap exploited labor, I doubt Trump is serious about migrant control. Just a wall that one of his sponsors would profit greatly off. Although you have to ask, why does he not just take the $5 billion from the military? It would solve the impasse. Perhaps common sense just doesn't pass through the lobby of Trump Towers.

[One Degree]

You have ignored what I have written and repeated your mantra again!!

I don't give a shit if Trump builds his wall. It isn't my tax Dollars being spent on a vanity white elephant. Although as I have repeatedly said to you and it fails to sink in is that the problem to halt illegal migrants from entering America is not to build a wall but to send the people like Trump who exploit cheap labor to prison. Get it? I won't hold my breath.

And I also want to point out I have also told you before that the wall won't stop illegal migrants from entering either. It will just move the point of entry for them and enhance illegal trafficking. So $5 billion wasted.

#policybeforebricksandmortar

When the Democrats actually support some of these alternatives to stopping illegals, I might believe them. Until then, they are simply lying. Their excuses are so flimsy they have to keep changing them as the public shows they don’t buy it. They went from ‘it won’t work’, to ‘it’s too expensive ‘ to ‘it’s immoral ‘ to ‘they will consider it after the shutdown ‘. You guys are repeating arguments your masters have already discarded because they are too ridiculous for rational people to accept.
Democrats want illegals to give them more representatives in Congress than they deserve. They are the ones abusing them and using them to keep wages down, not Trump.
Accusing Trump because of his group affiliation with billionaires when it is obvious he is working against their interest is typical liberal lunacy of thinking in idealistic fantasy (identity groups) instead of real people.
Trump is working to stop illegals. Democrats want open borders. This is the only question which should decide your position on the shutdown. Everything else is a deflection based on lies.

[Drlee]

BOycey. I agree with you entirely. Sadly you are wasting your time. Hindsite does not know what socialism is. He only knows it as a Rush Limbaugh hate word. That is the problem with arguing with Trump supporters. They rarely even have the basic facts to form an argument so they just parrot propaganda.

However, we are now in danger because of all the social welfare and social justice from the constant increase over the years of socialists in government power.

See? He does not even know that we only have one avowed socialist in our entire legislature. He does not realize that even using his definition of socialism, that the largest socialist program since medicare was the Prescription Drug Act passed by George W. Bush. Every month when he cashes his Social Security check or visits the doctor using his Tricare for Life (if he is really a retired soldier...doubtful) he is using a government welfare program. (I do not get social security but will some day but I do get the health care and it is great by the way.) And what did he do to get this stuff? Work for the government he calls socialist.

That is the problem with arguing with ignorance. There is no common ground from which to start. Sad.

Make America Great Again......send Trump supporters to a political science and economics class.

[One Degree]

BOycey. I agree with you entirely. Sadly you are wasting your time. Hindsite does not know what socialism is. He only knows it as a Rush Limbaugh hate word. That is the problem with arguing with Trump supporters. They rarely even have the basic facts to form an argument so they just parrot propaganda.



See? He does not even know that we only have one avowed socialist in our entire legislature. He does not realize that even using his definition of socialism, that the largest socialist program since medicare was the Prescription Drug Act passed by George W. Bush. Every month when he cashes his Social Security check or visits the doctor using his Tricare for Life (if he is really a retired soldier...doubtful) he is using a government welfare program. (I do not get social security but will some day but I do get the health care and it is great by the way.) And what did he do to get this stuff? Work for the government he calls socialist.

That is the problem with arguing with ignorance. There is no common ground from which to start. Sad.

Make America Great Again......send Trump supporters to a political science and economics class.

Why are you ashamed to admit the Socialist basis of Democrats today? Why do you want to pretend it isn’t there? Is it because they abandoned the actual workers?
Anyway, you have a point. They aren’t Socialists, they are totalitarians masquerading as Socialists.

[B0ycey]

When the Democrats actually support some of these alternatives to stopping illegals, I might believe them. Until then, they are simply lying.

Shall I assume you are about to publish the links to when Trump offered these policies to the Democrats and they got rejected as I currently can't see them.

Nonetheless politics is about representation. It isn't in the Democrats interest to be anti immigration and also be vehemently so which is why I am surprised you ask of that from them now. That is Republican domain. Although until Trump offers these proposals you are assuming they would get rejected FYI. Perhaps they might even accept them as a compromise to stop the need for a wall BTW. Have you thought of that? However you talk a lot about compromise but you only expect the Democrats to do so. They are in the stronger position so they can just sit and wait. It isn't their popularity which is on the line. So perhaps it is Trump who needs to compromise as he is losing big time.

Accusing Trump because of his group affiliation with billionaires when it is obvious he is working against their interest is typical liberal lunacy of thinking in idealistic fantasy (identity groups) instead of real people.
Trump is working to stop illegals. Democrats want open borders. This is the only question which should decide your position on the shutdown. Everything else is a deflection based on lies.

Is he working against the billionaire interest? That tax break was just for kicks? Although I doubt Trump is going to ever motion a policy to the Democrats to send billionaires who exploit migrant workers to jail. And if he did, they might support it over a wall. Until the offer is delivered you are speculating.

Nonetheless I do like the fact that you are such a strong Trump mouthpiece that you blame migrants and the Democrats but not the capitalists that dangled the carrot in the first place for this issue. Very telling.

[One Degree]

Shall I assume you are about to publish the links to when Trump offered these policies to the Democrats and they got rejected as I currently can't see them.

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/court ... -they-now/
The President doesn’t initiate legislation in Congress. Only members of Congress can do that. Blaming Trump for something he is not allowed to do is either ignorant or deliberate deception.

Nonetheless politics is about representation. It isn't in the Democrats interest to be anti immigration and also be vehemently which is why I am surprised you ask of that from them now

.
So you admit they are using illegals to illegally increase their representation?

That is Republican domain. Although until Trump offers these proposals you are assuming they would get rejected FYI. Perhaps they might even accept them as a compromise to stop the need for a wall BTW. Have you thought of that?

Show me where Democrats have given me any reason to believe such a ridiculous idea?

However you talk a lot about compromise but you only expect the Democrats to do so. They are in the stronger position so they can just sit and wait. It isn't their popularity which is on the line. So perhaps it is Trump who needs to compromise as he is losing big time.

How do you figure they are in a stronger position when Republicans control the Executive, the Supreme Court, and the Senate? Your delusions are interfering with your reasoning.

Is he working against the billionaire interest? That tax break was just for kicks? Although I doubt Trump is going to ever motion a policy to the Democrats to send billionaires who exploit migrant workers to jail. And if he did, they might support it over a wall. Until the offer is delivered you are speculating.

Disingenuous using economic policies for immigration arguments.

Nonetheless I do like the fact that you are such a strong Trump mouthpiece that you blame migrants and the Democrats but not the capitalists that dangled the carrot in the first place for this issue. Very telling.

And here comes the expected deliberate lie. Show me where I denied capitalism was a big part of the problem? I have repeatedly agreed with holding them responsible. Again, it is only Republican states that support e-verify. The Democrat states have refused to support it while using it as an argument against border security. More proof of their total dishonesty. Why haven’t they passed it in their own states? Nothing is stopping them.

[B0ycey]

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/court-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-policies-where-are-they-now/
The President doesn’t initiate legislation in Congress. Only members of Congress can do that. Blaming Trump for something he is not allowed to do is either ignorant or deliberate deception.

The travel ban. The most arrogant piece of legislation to ever grace our planet. It deserves to be voted down. Sorry One Degree, read my actual proposals at stopping the draw. You know, the ones where you sent billionaires to jail for exploiting migrants. Not the one where you stop a person from a business trip because they happen to live in Iran. Has the Democrats had sending fatcat's to prison offered to them as a compromise for the wall?

So you admit they are using illegals to illegally increase their representation?

Using? No. Supporting their voting base yes.

Show me where Democrats have given me any reason to believe such a ridiculous idea?

I cannot show you something that has not been offered. Until the Democrats are offered a proposal that could stop illegal migration you are assuming they are going to vote it down. That is my point.

How do you figure they are in a stronger position when Republicans control the Executive, the Supreme Court, and the Senate? Your delusions are interfering with your reasoning.

Because they are not getting the blame and Trumps approval ratings are flatlining perhaps?

Disingenuous using economic policies for immigration arguments.

No I am just telling you how it is. No draw no movement. This should be obvious.

And here comes the expected deliberate lie. Show me where I denied capitalism was a big part of the problem? I have repeatedly agreed with holding them responsible. Again, it is only Republican states that support e-verify. The Democrat states have refused to support it while using it as an argument against border security. More proof of their total dishonesty. Why haven’t they passed it in their own states? Nothing is stopping them.

Well perhaps they have no reason to. Although as you are a supporter of autonomy so I don't see why this should interest you as a problem anyway. Nonetheless until Trump offers it as a compromise to not build the wall you are assuming they won't support it. That is just the way it is.

[One Degree]

:lol:

The travel ban. The most arrogant piece of legislation to ever grace our planet. It deserves to be voted down. Sorry One Degree, read my actual proposals at stopping the draw. You know, the ones where you sent billionaires to jail for exploiting migrants. Not the one where you stop a person from a business teip because he happens to live in Iran. Has the Democrats had sending fatcat's to prison offered to them as a compromise for the wall?



Using? No. Supporting their voting base yes.



I cannot show you something that has not been offered. Until the Democrats are offered a proposal that could stop illegal migration you are assuming they are going to vote it down. That is my point.





Because they are not getting the blame and Trumps approval ratings are flatlining perhaps?



No I am just telling you how it is. No draw no movement. This should be obvious.



Well perhaps they have no reason to. Although as you are a supporter of autonomy so I don't see why this should interest you as a problem anyway. Nonetheless until Trump offers it as a compromise to not build the wall you are assuming they won't support it. That is just the way it is.

You suggesting illegals are their voting base is very revealing that they don’t support Americans.
8 years of Obama’s ‘catch and release’ tells me exactly what Democrats will support. Why the facade? It is obvious Democrats want illegals. Why pretend they don’t? Is it because you know it is intended to deceive the voters? Why don’t they admit to the obvious?

[B0ycey]

It is obvious Democrats capitalists want illegals. Why pretend they don’t? Is it because you know it is intended to deceive the voters? Why don’t they admit to the obvious?

FTFY

They won't admit to the obvious because capitalism is about profit. They would rather exploit migrants to boost profit and lobby the likes of Trump so they never bring in actual reform that would punished them from doing so.

[One Degree]

FTFY

They won't admit to the obvious because capitalism is about profit. They would rather exploit migrants to boost profit and lobby the likes of Trump so they never bring in actual reform that would punished them from doing so.

So we actually agree the RNC and the DNC are both for big corporations and have no interest in stopping the flow of illegals. So why do you support their position? Why not support Trump in denying them this abuse?