- 17 Jan 2019 22:26
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Stating the limits of what is permissible is common morality. There is no reason to have laws other than common morality. Why else would you have them?
I said we should express our ‘personal morality’ but not as if it is ‘accepted fact’ that requires shaming of others. If our laws don’t address it (not doing chores) then it is not really a commonly accepted morality because we saw no reason to enforce it. We leave it up to ‘individual moral choice’. To enforce an individual moral choice through shaming is circumventing the traditional means of determining laws by free choice, and replacing it with coercion.
You need to tell me, by what authority other than laws, you are justified in coercing people into accepting a moral code by shaming?
Actually, we already have the laws to punish abusive individuals which is why these types of ads can only be seen as shaming groups.
Prosthetic Conscience wrote:@One Degree , you said "when you shame a group or a view, you are bypassing our legally accepted means of stating our agreed upon morality and placing your view above it.". That's what you get wrong. Laws are not to "state" morality; they are to draw limits on what is permissible by defining punishments. We can express our opinions without "placing our view above" the law. And remember, the ad is shaming a view, not a group.
They only address serious wrongs because they don't cover, say, breaking your promise to do your household chores. Or, in most places, things like cheating on your spouse. Yes, it is commonly agreed those are things you shouldn't do.
Stating the limits of what is permissible is common morality. There is no reason to have laws other than common morality. Why else would you have them?
I said we should express our ‘personal morality’ but not as if it is ‘accepted fact’ that requires shaming of others. If our laws don’t address it (not doing chores) then it is not really a commonly accepted morality because we saw no reason to enforce it. We leave it up to ‘individual moral choice’. To enforce an individual moral choice through shaming is circumventing the traditional means of determining laws by free choice, and replacing it with coercion.
You need to tell me, by what authority other than laws, you are justified in coercing people into accepting a moral code by shaming?
Actually, we already have the laws to punish abusive individuals which is why these types of ads can only be seen as shaming groups.
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