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By Beren
#14986810
Hindsite wrote:or maybe he will just grab her by the pussy. Ha ha. :lol:

He tried it with the shutdown and it was Pelosi who grabbed him by the balls after he shot himself in the foot. He must have less brains than an amoeba does if he tries the same or anything alike again.

Also:

CNN wrote:CNN Poll: Almost everyone wants a public report on Mueller's findings

Nearly nine in 10 Americans say Robert Mueller's investigators should produce a full, public report on their findings, a sentiment that crosses party lines, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS.
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By jimjam
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Beren wrote:CNN wrote:CNN Poll: Almost everyone wants a public report on Mueller's findingsNearly nine in 10 Americans say Robert Mueller's investigators should produce a full, public report on their findings, a sentiment that crosses party lines, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS.


Well, it goes without saying that if Mueller has findings that are damaging to Comrade Donald it is automatically fake witch hunt news and should not be made public while, on the other hand, if the report is favorable to America's greatest president in history Comrade Donald and his propaganda outlet, Fox, will bellow about , well you can imagine, blah blah blah.

I'm not sure Comrade Donald would be able to censor the report however. If he does, it would be quite clear that he has something to hide ….. as in his tax returns. Plus, after all the hoopla, we had better have something to look at.
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By Beren
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jimjam wrote:I'm not sure Comrade Donald would be able to censor the report however. If he does, it would be quite clear that he has something to hide ….. as in his tax returns. Plus, after all the hoopla, we had better have something to look at.

Who paid for the report? Taxpayers did, so they have a right to full disclosure. Or maybe Trump should offer his tax returns in exchange, or he should try to bribe them with proper tax legislation.
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By jimjam
#14987488
Comments by one of Mr. Mueller’s lead prosecutors, disclosed in a transcript of a closed-door hearing, suggest that the special counsel continues to pursue at least one theory: that starting while Russia was taking steps to bolster Mr. Trump’s candidacy, people in his orbit were discussing deals to end a dispute over Russia’s incursions into Ukraine and possibly give Moscow relief from economic sanctions imposed by the United States and its allies.

This theory was offered almost as an aside by the prosecutor, Andrew Weissmann, during a discussion of contacts between Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, and a longtime Russian associate, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, whom investigators have linked to Russian intelligence.

During the hearing, prosecutors suggested that Mr. Manafort was to be a spokesman in the United States, apparently for Mr. Kilimnik’s plan to divide Ukraine.

“If he were the spokesperson, and denominated as such within the United States,” Mr. Weissmann said, “he would also have access to senior people.” He then broke off, saying, “That’s as far as I can go.” :eek:
By Hindsite
#14987566
Judging by Mueller's staffing choices, he may not be very interested in justice

Little has been said of the danger of prosecutorial overreach and the true history of Mueller’s lead prosecutor. Yet Mueller tapped a different sort of prosecutor to lead his investigation — his long-time friend and former counsel, Andrew Weissmann. He is not just a “tough” prosecutor. Time after time, courts have reversed Weissmann’s most touted “victories” for his tactics. This is hardly the stuff of a hero in the law.

Weissmann, as deputy and later director of the Enron Task Force, destroyed the venerable accounting firm of Arthur Andersen LLP and its 85,000 jobs worldwide — only to be reversed several years later by a unanimous Supreme Court.

Next, Weissmann creatively criminalized a business transaction between Merrill Lynch and Enron. Four Merrill executives went to prison for as long as a year. Weissmann’s team made sure they did not even get bail pending their appeals, even though the charges Weissmann concocted, like those against Andersen, were literally unprecedented.

Weissmann’s prosecution devastated the lives and families of the Merrill executives, causing enormous defense costs, unimaginable stress and torturous prison time. The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals reversed the mass of the case.

Weissmann quietly resigned from the Enron Task Force just as the judge in the Enron Broadband prosecution began excoriating Weissmann’s team and the press began catching on to Weissmann’s modus operandi.

Manafort, a Trump associate, is simply a small step in Weissmann’s quest to impugn this presidency or to reverse the results of the 2016 election. Never mind that months of investigation by multiple entities have produced no evidence of "collusion." Mueller’s rare, predawn raid of Manafort’s home — a fearsome treat usually reserved for mobsters and drug dealers — is textbook Weissmann terrorism. And of course, the details were leaked — another illegal tactic.

Weissmann is intent on indicting Manafort. It won’t matter that Manafort knows the Trump campaign did not collude with the Russians. Weissman will pressure Manafort to say whatever satisfies Weissmann’s perspective. Perjury is only that which differs from Weissmann’s “view” of the “evidence” — not the actual truth.

We all lose from Weissmann’s involvement. First, the truth plays no role in Weissmann’s quest. Second, respect for the rule of law, simple decency and following the facts do not appear in Weissmann’s playbook. Third, and most important, all Americans lose whenever our judicial system becomes a weapon to reward political friends and punish political foes.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house ... erested-in

The backstory: Defense attorneys say Mr. Weissmann bent or broke the rules. As proof, they point to appeals court decisions, exhibits and witness statements.

They say he intimidated witnesses by threatening indictments, created crimes that did not exist and, in one case, withheld evidence that could have aided the accused. At one hearing, an incredulous district court judge looked down at an Enron defendant and told him he was pleading guilty to a wire fraud crime that did not exist.

The Supreme Court, in a 9-0 vote in 2005, overturned the Andersen conviction. A year later, the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals erased all the fraud convictions against four Merrill Lynch managers. The jury had acquitted another defendant.

“People went off to prison for a completely phantom of a case,” said Mr. Kirkendall.

Mr. Kirkendall became sort of an unofficial Enron historian. He observed goings-on at the Houston federal courthouse and blogged about what he considered a systematic miscarriage of justice.

The task force, which ultimately would catapult prosecutors to lucrative careers, wanted to win as many convictions as possible. They were prosecuting players in one of the nation’s biggest corporate scandals. Enron bosses falsified balance sheets, inflated earnings and traded stocks with insider knowledge. By 2001, the behemoth went bankrupt. Its stock was worthless.

The Justice Department task force mobilized in 2002 and quickly won convictions. But there were dark sides.

That’s where Sidney Powell enters the picture. The Dallas lawyer took the appeal of a Merrill Lynch figure. She obtained from Justice a batch of task force documents in 2010 that should have been disclosed to trial attorneys years earlier.

The documents began to flow in the aftermath of the Sen. Ted Stevens debacle. Justice prosecutors not connected to the Enron task force deliberately withheld evidence favorable to Stevens. A judge threw out his conviction.

Ms. Powell wrote a 2014 book about the scandals, “Licensed to Lie: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice.”

“All of the cases Weissmann pushed to trial were reversed in whole or in part due to some form of his overreaching and abuses,” Ms. Powell told The Washington Times. “The most polite thing the Houston bar said about Weissmann was that he was a madman.”

The special counsel’s office declined to comment to The Times about Mr. Weissmann’s track record.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ecutor-kn/
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By Godstud
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@Hindsite You want to know what's really funny? When this news outlet posts things negative about Trump, you call ti fake news, but when it might NOT be negative, you use it as a source.

:knife: :knife: :knife:

:moron: :moron: :moron:
By Hindsite
#14987586
Godstud wrote:@Hindsite You want to know what's really funny? When this news outlet posts things negative about Trump, you call ti fake news, but when it might NOT be negative, you use it as a source.

All the negative stuff is fake news propaganda, so I am not going to use that as a source of truth.
The truth is that there is no Trump-Russian collusion found.
Praise the Lord.

Senate Intelligence chairman: No evidence of Trump-Russia collusion
By MATTHEW CHOI 02/07/2019 01:54 PM EST

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr said Thursday that his committee's Russia investigation has yet to find evidence of collusion between President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and the Kremlin but will soon release a report on the Obama administration's response to Russian interference in the last presidential election.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/ ... on-1156624
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By jimjam
#14987588
Hindsite wrote:Judging by Mueller's staffing choices, he may not be very interested in justice

Judging by Comrade Donald's "staffing choices" , he may be interested is making the ultra rich richer at the expense of what little is left of the middle class and at the expense of degrading the water we drink and the air that we breathe so that corporate profits are enhanced.
By Hindsite
#14987602
jimjam wrote:Judging by Comrade Donald's "staffing choices" , he may be interested is making the ultra rich richer at the expense of what little is left of the middle class and at the expense of degrading the water we drink and the air that we breathe so that corporate profits are enhanced.

Trump's staffing choices show he is interested is securing our nation and making our nation more prosperous for everyone that is willing to work. President Trump breathes our air and drinks our water and certainly does not want to degrade its quality. That claim is just plain stupid. President Trump clearly wants to make America great again and greater than ever before.
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By jimjam
#14987607
Hindsite wrote:more prosperous for everyone that is willing to work.



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what a croc of shit. I suspect this ^ parasite on America doesn't do a whole lot of work.
By Hindsite
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jimjam wrote:Image
what a croc of shit. I suspect this ^ parasite on America doesn't do a whole lot of work.

President Trump seems to me to be doing more work than most presidents that I am familiar with.
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By jimjam
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Hindsite wrote:President Trump seems to me to be doing more work than most presidents that I am familiar with.

i was not referring to Donald. I was referring to the 1% of Americans in the ruling plutocracy who own 90% of America's wealth who do not seem to be interested in doing much to help the nation other than money laundering, tax avoidance and making "campaign contributions" to purchase for themselves another senator, representative or dog catcher.
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By Crantag
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Hindsite is just parroting Trump's twitter, where he very recently said he's the hardest working president ever; a statement which was in reaction to his recently leaked schedules which showed he spends half his time in his room watching TV (which wasn't really news since that's something that's been known for a long time).
By Hindsite
#14987971
Crantag wrote:Hindsite is just parroting Trump's twitter, where he very recently said he's the hardest working president ever; a statement which was in reaction to his recently leaked schedules which showed he spends half his time in his room watching TV (which wasn't really news since that's something that's been known for a long time).

That is just more left-wing bull-shit.
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By Godstud
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@Crantag, @Hindsite is just a Trump-worshipping right-winger. He has no individual thoughts, and Trump could piss on him and call it rain. He just parrots what Fox news and Trump says as if they are fact. (Newsflash: They are not.)
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By Hong Wu
#14988296
Poor Hindsite has been left to disagree with the Trump-hating hordes all by himself :(

Recent updates from the actual situation that I see little to no discussion of:
(1) Senate has closed down its collusion investigation, says no evidence was found.
(2) Democrats say they are prepping their own new collusion investigation that will focus upon Deutsche Bank, claiming that Mueller didn't investigate it closely enough.

These things suggest that word on K street is that Mueller is not going to give the Democrats much.

(3) Andrew McCabe has said that there was indeed a conspiracy which discussed trying to use the 25th Amendment to unseat Trump. The usual talking heads, such as new alt-right darling Alan Dershowitz, are saying this was very wrong. Personally I'm scratching my head; why tell us this now? Is this part of the coming collapse of Mueller-time or do they actually think that revealing this helps their situation? I genuinely can't read these people anymore after years of this conspiracy. Its exceeded my threshold for... whatever this was.

I'd also like to offer forum debate amnesty to anyone who lets this Russia thing go if Mueller lets it go :)
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By jimjam
#14988683
Who did Stone talk to about the WikiLeaks dump? Last month’s Stone indictment had him informing “senior Trump campaign officials” between June and July 2016 that WikiLeaks possessed hacked emails that could damage the Clinton candidacy. Then came WikiLeaks’ first release of Democratic emails on July 22, 2016, followed by the Trump campaign’s request for more.

This sentence in the Stone indictment has birthed a million speculations that Donald Trump was among the requesters: “A senior Trump campaign official was directed to contact Stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information Organization 1 (Wikileaks) had regarding the Clinton campaign,” the indictment reads. Would anybody be in a position to direct a senior Trump campaign official but Trump himself? Lightly traced but still visible, Mueller has drawn a possible line from Trump to a campaign aide to Stone to WikiLeaks and the Russians.

and this blockbuster:

Hong Wu wrote:Senate has closed down its collusion investigation, says no evidence was found.


About as meaningful as "El Chapo declares himself innocent" …… :lol:
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