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By Hindsite
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annatar1914 wrote:If I had my way, God help me, your death cult you appear to belong to would be history, a historical footnote of one of the many unfortunte ''doctrines of devils'' that wound up killing hundreds of thousands of people, maybe millions, before the foul heresy was stamped out of hearts and minds of it's delusional followers.

I am a Christian, not a Muslim.
HalleluYah
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By annatar1914
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Hindsite wrote:I am a Christian, not a Muslim.
HalleluYah


When I look at the Evangelical Dispensationalists, and then the Muslims... I feel sorry for the actual Christians, particularly in the Middle East.
By Hindsite
#14987604
annatar1914 wrote:When I look at the Evangelical Dispensationalists, and then the Muslims... I feel sorry for the actual Christians, particularly in the Middle East.

Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.
(2 Timothy 3:12-13)

The Muslims are often the ones persecuting the Christians in the Middle East. And by the way, not all Evangelical Christians believe in Dispensationalism.
By Atlantis
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annatar1914 wrote:If I had my way, God help me, your death cult you appear to belong to would be history, a historical footnote of one of the many unfortunte ''doctrines of devils'' that wound up killing hundreds of thousands of people, maybe millions, before the foul heresy was stamped out of hearts and minds of it's delusional followers.


Ata boy! The Inquisition would be proud of you.
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By annatar1914
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Atlantis wrote:Ata boy! The Inquisition would be proud of you.


Who said anything about anything like a god-damned inquisition? Wanting a delusional belief like, say, Nazism to disappear from the hearts and minds of it's followers isn't talking about pulling out fingernails or being forced to watch re-runs of the ''Star Wars Christmas Special'' :eh:
By Hindsite
#14987732
annatar1914 wrote:Who said anything about anything like a god-damned inquisition? Wanting a delusional belief like, say, Nazism to disappear from the hearts and minds of it's followers isn't talking about pulling out fingernails or being forced to watch re-runs of the ''Star Wars Christmas Special'' :eh:

Nazi comes from the German word for National Socialist (Nationalsozialistische).

The full name of the party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (English: National-Socialist German Workers' Party) for which they officially used the acronym NSDAP.

A Nazi is a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
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By annatar1914
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Hindsite wrote:Nazi comes from the German word for National Socialist (Nationalsozialistische).

The full name of the party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (English: National-Socialist German Workers' Party) for which they officially used the acronym NSDAP.

A Nazi is a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism


Are you some special kind of ignorant, that you don't know that;

1. I was talking to someone else and making an answer to their comment

2. Using an analogy to make a point about getting rid of bad ideas, before they make bad people, who then do bad things?

If you did, then you're just being a fucking troll, because for one thing, I'm quite aware of the information you posted about the NSDAP.
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By Ter
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Israel confirms strike in Syrian Golan, further cracking ambiguity policy
Before heading to anti-Iran conference in Poland, Netanyahu says IDF is fighting Iranian entrenchment in Syria ‘every day, including yesterday’

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday confirmed that Israel had carried out a military strike in the Syrian Golan Heights the night before, further breaking from Israel’s previous policy of ambiguity around its activities against Iran in Syria.

“We are working all the time to block Iran. We operate every day, including yesterday, against Iran and its efforts to entrench itself in the region,” Netanyahu said before boarding a flight to Poland for a conference focused on Tehran’s activities in the Middle East.

On Monday night, Syrian state media reported that Israel had shelled targets in the deserted Syrian city of Quneitra.
According to the state-run SANA news agency, an Israeli tank or tanks shelled an abandoned hospital in Quneitra and a nearby observation post.

Quneitra lies just across the border on the Golan Heights, in the demilitarized zone between the countries.

The Israeli military did not immediately respond to the reports at the time.

According to SANA, the shelling caused material damage but no casualties.

Israeli military reporters were told that the strike targeted Iranian-backed Shiite militiamen trying to set up a base of operations near the Israeli border. The tank shelling was also meant to serve as a warning to Syria and other Iranian proxies that Israel would not tolerate Tehran’s efforts to establish a permanent military presence in the Syrian Golan.

Until recently, Israel typically refrained from commenting on its military activities against Iran in Syria, neither confirming nor denying strikes. Over the past two months, however, this policy of ambiguity has been largely abandoned by Israeli military and political officials, who have begun more openly discussing the Israel Defense Forces’ operations in Syria.

Israel has carried out hundreds of airstrikes in Syria to thwart attempts to smuggle weapons to the Hezbollah terror group and keep Iranian-backed forces from entrenching themselves near the border.

A report last week indicated that advanced Russian S-300 air defense batteries had been set up in Syria to stop Israeli attacks.

On Monday, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said that Israeli airstrikes on Syria are unlawful and cannot be justified.


The threats from Iran and Lebanon had no effect on Netanyahu.
As long as Iran tries to entrench itself in Syria, they will be hit and their military material destroyed.
The belligerent attitude and actions of Iran have only resulted in an Arab rapprochement to Israel.
There are rumours that Morocco is going to open an embassy in Israel.
By Hindsite
#14987916
annatar1914 wrote:Are you some special kind of ignorant, that you don't know that;

1. I was talking to someone else and making an answer to their comment

2. Using an analogy to make a point about getting rid of bad ideas, before they make bad people, who then do bad things?

If you did, then you're just being a fucking troll, because for one thing, I'm quite aware of the information you posted about the NSDAP.

I just wanted to make sure that you were not ignorant of how NAZISM relates to SOCIALISM. There is a more recent example in Venezuela.
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By annatar1914
#14987993
Hindsite wrote:I just wanted to make sure that you were not ignorant of how NAZISM relates to SOCIALISM. There is a more recent example in Venezuela.


Nazism relates to Socialism like fish relate to bicycles. It doesn't.

The ''Socialism'' in the NSDAP was a made up sop to try to attract the working population to the Nazi party, as with the other Fascist parties out there. But there was nothing actually Socialist about them, they always did the bidding of the bankers, landowners, and industrialists who paid their bills. And in return the Nazis destroyed the unions, made it illegal to strike, and privatized entire industries.

You do understand that Socialism means the public ownership of the means of production in a society, don't you? Anything else, no matter if they claim to be Socialist or not, is simply bullshit.
By Hindsite
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annatar1914 wrote:Nazism relates to Socialism like fish relate to bicycles. It doesn't.

The ''Socialism'' in the NSDAP was a made up sop to try to attract the working population to the Nazi party, as with the other Fascist parties out there. But there was nothing actually Socialist about them, they always did the bidding of the bankers, landowners, and industrialists who paid their bills. And in return the Nazis destroyed the unions, made it illegal to strike, and privatized entire industries.

You do understand that Socialism means the public ownership of the means of production in a society, don't you? Anything else, no matter if they claim to be Socialist or not, is simply bullshit.

On 5 January 1919, Anton Drexler began Germany's National Socialist party to emphasise nationalism with a form of economic socialism with a broad social welfare program in order to create a popular nationalist-oriented workers' movement that could challenge the rise of Communism and internationalist politics. To ease concerns among potential middle-class supporters, Drexler made clear that unlike Marxists the party supported the middle-class and that its socialist policy was meant to give social welfare to German citizens deemed part of the Aryan race.

In general, the party's manifesto was antisemitic, anti-capitalist, anti-democratic, anti-Marxist and anti-liberal. When Hitler replaced Drexler as leader of the party, his main goals of the party were always German nationalist expansionism and antisemitism.

On 31 October 1922, a party with similar policies and objectives came into power in Italy, the National Fascist Party, under the leadership of the charismatic Benito Mussolini. The Fascists, like the Nazis, promoted a national rebirth of their country, as they opposed communism and liberalism; appealed to the working-class; opposed the Treaty of Versailles; and advocated the territorial expansion of their country. The Italian Fascists used a straight-armed Roman salute and wore black-shirted uniforms. Hitler was inspired by Mussolini and the Fascists, borrowing their use of the straight-armed salute as a Nazi salute. When the Fascists came to power in 1922 in Italy through their coup attempt called the "March on Rome", Hitler began planning his own coup.

The Nazis' strongest appeal was to the lower middle-classes – farmers, public servants, teachers and small businessmen – who had suffered most from the inflation of the 1920s - who feared Bolshevism more than anything else. The small business class was receptive to Hitler's antisemitism, since it blamed Jewish big business for its economic problems. The party was formally abolished on 10 October 1945.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
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By annatar1914
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@Hindsite

I have every reason to believe that you did not pay attention to or understand what you posted, because it actually supports.... What i've been talking about, and so I think you know nothing of Socialism or Nazism/Fascism;

On 5 January 1919, Anton Drexler began Germany's National Socialist party to emphasise nationalism with a form of economic socialism with a broad social welfare program in order to create a popular nationalist-oriented workers' movement that could challenge the rise of Communism and internationalist politics.


Right. And Anton Drexler was pushed aside and into obscurity by Reichswehr spies like Adolph Hitler, who set the future course of the party-and it wasn't Socialism. Anybody in the NSDAP who didn't get that memo clearly, like the Strasser brothers, found themselves dead or fleeing Germany for their lives.

To ease concerns among potential middle-class supporters, Drexler made clear that unlike Marxists the party supported the middle-class and that its socialist policy was meant to give social welfare to German citizens deemed part of the Aryan race.


So even Drexler was a fraud as far as ''Socialism'' goes. Welfare isn't Socialism; real Socialists hate welfare schemes.

In general, the party's manifesto was antisemitic, anti-capitalist, anti-democratic, anti-Marxist and anti-liberal. When Hitler replaced Drexler as leader of the party, his main goals of the party were always German nationalist expansionism and antisemitism.


Except for the ''Anti-Capitalist'' part, which wasn't sincere at all, that kind of shows that indeed this was the NSDAP emphasis.

On 31 October 1922, a party with similar policies and objectives came into power in Italy, the National Fascist Party, under the leadership of the charismatic Benito Mussolini. The Fascists, like the Nazis, promoted a national rebirth of their country, as they opposed communism and liberalism; appealed to the working-class; opposed the Treaty of Versailles; and advocated the territorial expansion of their country.


Mussolini used to be a Socialist, until the British bribed him to push his working class newspaper readers into supporting Italy getting into WWI on the Allied side against Germany and Austria-Hungary. He remained a Nationalist after the war and allied with the large landowners, the Catholic Church, the aristocrats and Italian business concerns to put down the people and was asked by King Victor Emmanuel to form a new government.



The Italian Fascists used a straight-armed Roman salute and wore black-shirted uniforms. Hitler was inspired by Mussolini and the Fascists, borrowing their use of the straight-armed salute as a Nazi salute. When the Fascists came to power in 1922 in Italy through their coup attempt called the "March on Rome", Hitler began planning his own coup.


Yes, nothing ''Socialist'' there.

The Nazis' strongest appeal was to the lower middle-classes – farmers, public servants, teachers and small businessmen – who had suffered most from the inflation of the 1920s - who feared Bolshevism more than anything else. The small business class was receptive to Hitler's antisemitism, since it blamed Jewish big business for its economic problems. The party was formally abolished on 10 October 1945.


Fascism appeals to these people, the ''petit-bourgeoisie'', because they are always under economic pressure from the richer Capitalists and fear becoming working class, or worse. It's easy to fool them into supporting anything that directs them from questioning the economic system altogether and blames some other group of people for their socio-economic woes and the symptoms of a Capitalism in decline, such as rising crime, degeneracy, wars, rising taxes, diminished retirement savings, and so forth.

Did you know that the Syrian government is ruled by the Baathist party? It was founded by Michael Aflaq, and he was influenced by Spanish and Italian Fascism, just to get things back on track.
By Hindsite
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annatar1914 wrote:@Hindsite

I have every reason to believe that you did not pay attention to or understand what you posted, because it actually supports.... What i've been talking about, and so I think you know nothing of Socialism or Nazism/Fascism;

Clearly, NAZI stands for National Socialism from the article.

annatar1914 wrote:Right. And Anton Drexler was pushed aside and into obscurity by Reichswehr spies like Adolph Hitler, who set the future course of the party-and it wasn't Socialism. Anybody in the NSDAP who didn't get that memo clearly, like the Strasser brothers, found themselves dead or fleeing Germany for their lives.

Socialism usually winds up with a dictator, like Hitler, in the same way as Venezuela's Nicolás Maduro did with the brand of socialism spread by Hugo Chávez.

annatar1914 wrote:Welfare isn't Socialism; real Socialists hate welfare schemes.

However, welfare is a socialist program run by the government, just as is social security, medicare, and medicaid in the USA.

annatar1914 wrote:Except for the ''Anti-Capitalist'' part, which wasn't sincere at all, that kind of shows that indeed this was the NSDAP emphasis.

However, ''Anti-Capitalist'' was in the party manifesto. That is the same belief for socialism and communism.

annatar1914 wrote:Mussolini used to be a Socialist, until the British bribed him to push his working class newspaper readers into supporting Italy getting into WWI on the Allied side against Germany and Austria-Hungary. He remained a Nationalist after the war and allied with the large landowners, the Catholic Church, the aristocrats and Italian business concerns to put down the people and was asked by King Victor Emmanuel to form a new government.

Like you point out, Mussolini started out as a Socialist until he decided to become a dictator with the government power socialism gave him.

annatar1914 wrote:Fascism appeals to these people, the ''petit-bourgeoisie'', because they are always under economic pressure from the richer Capitalists and fear becoming working class, or worse. It's easy to fool them into supporting anything that directs them from questioning the economic system altogether and blames some other group of people for their socio-economic woes and the symptoms of a Capitalism in decline, such as rising crime, degeneracy, wars, rising taxes, diminished retirement savings, and so forth.

This may be the same thing that is happening with many American Democrats, who are calling for "Democratic" Socialism to tax the wealthy capitalist at a much higher rate so they can have free college, free healthcare, guaranteed minimum income for all, and other free stuff from their socialist government that will be eventually run by a dictator.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Democratic socialism, explained


Ocasio-Cortez Supporters Stumped on How Democratic Socialism Would Be Funded


annatar1914 wrote:Did you know that the Syrian government is ruled by the Baathist party? It was founded by Michael Aflaq, and he was influenced by Spanish and Italian Fascism, just to get things back on track.

No, I am not too familiar with Syria's government. I thought it was ruled by a dictator. So is he a socialist dictator, like Mussolini?
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By annatar1914
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@Hindsite ,

You may be forgiven your absolute ignorance of Socialism, because for one thing it's widespread and now multi-generational. But you are simply wrong, and I will explain why each point with you. first up;

Clearly, NAZI stands for National Socialism from the article.


Just like not every denomination of ''christian'' is the original genuine Church established by Christ, not every political label is truthful. Nazis weren't really Socialists, and I wrote a considerable amount explaining why they weren't, earlier.


Socialism usually winds up with a dictator, like Hitler, in the same way as Venezuela's Nicolás Maduro did with the brand of socialism spread by Hugo Chávez.


Every form of government winds up with a Dictator, period. It just depends on if they are a good man or at least competent, or wicked or incompetent. Sometimes to get things done, a leader has to become a dictator, they reason. Someday if there's a national emergency and the President has to declare martial law or something like that, you might discover that. Neither Chavez nor Maduro are or were Dictators, if they were Venezuela wouldn't have the problems that it does.


However, welfare is a socialist program run by the government, just as is social security, medicare, and medicaid in the USA.


No, it most emphatically is not. Remember what I said about Socialism being public control of the means of production in a society? Welfare is a way that the ruling wealthy Oligarchy in a society, fearful of revolution by the poorer people below them, create social programs funded by middle class taxes to make conditions somewhat better for the lowest on the ladder, at the expense of society as a whole. It's like putting a band-aid on a man with his guts hanging out in the emergency room... A quick fix that makes things worse, if anything.

No Socialist or Communist believes in welfare programs, you are absolutely incorrect and do not understand what a Socialist society looks like, or looked like. I do.


However, ''Anti-Capitalist'' was in the party manifesto. That is the same belief for socialism and communism.


No it isn't the same belief as in socialism or communism, because the Nazis were lying. Imagine that, Nazis and Fascists lying...


Like you point out, Mussolini started out as a Socialist until he decided to become a dictator with the government power socialism gave him.


Absolutely incorrect and the exact opposite of what happened. Mussolini was not getting any personal power in Italy by being a Socialist, and joined the landowners, the aristocrats, big business, the monarchy and the Vatican in Italy and thus became a powerful anti-socialist Dictator, appointed by the King of Italy to head a government in Italy to prevent Socialism or Communism. You really should have read what I wrote, it would have been nice to not have to make this effort again.


This may be the same thing that is happening with many American Democrats, who are calling for "Democratic" Socialism to tax the wealthy capitalist at a much higher rate so they can have free college, free healthcare, guaranteed minimum income for all, and other free stuff from their socialist government that will be eventually run by a dictator.


Again, that's not Socialism, taxing the wealthy. And what's wrong with ''free'' college or ''free'' healthcare? If you work, and if everyone works, you earned it, it wasn't ''free'' at all but is your due, your right, as a laboring and productive member of society, a truly free citizen.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Democratic socialism, explained


Ocasio-Cortez Supporters Stumped on How Democratic Socialism Would Be Funded



No, I am not too familiar with Syria's government. I thought it was ruled by a dictator. So is he a socialist dictator, like Mussolini?


Mussolini wasn't a Socialist, he was a Fascist. Baathism is very similar to Italian Fascism, as I wrote and apparently you didn't read. The Baathists make left wing and popularist sounds, but are a big business/military-industrial elite of Capitalists.

I support the people of Syria against head chopping Jihadis imported from the Oil Sheikdoms to overthrow that country, so I ''support'' the ruling Baathist government defending the sovereign national territory of Syria against them. If it was not for Russia and Assad, every Christian in Syria would be dead, exterminated by the Jihadis, for one thing.
By Hindsite
#14988273
annatar1914 wrote:@Hindsite ,

You may be forgiven your absolute ignorance of Socialism, because for one thing it's widespread and now multi-generational.

Thank you for forgiving my absolute ignorance of Socialism.
HalleluYah
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By annatar1914
#14988328
Hindsite wrote:Thank you for forgiving my absolute ignorance of Socialism.
HalleluYah


Well, if you continue to say the same things about Socialism in other threads, then you'd just be an asshole, and we know that you aren't.

So now we need to work on your awareness of the Syrian conflict...
By Hindsite
#14988492
annatar1914 wrote:Well, if you continue to say the same things about Socialism in other threads, then you'd just be an asshole, and we know that you aren't.

So now we need to work on your awareness of the Syrian conflict...

Are you suggesting that the Syrian conflict has something to do with socialism?
By Istanbuller
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There is no reason left for US remaining in Syria. ISIS is defeated. Actually Turkey long ago defeated it and coalition just dealt with remnants.

Only acceptable plan is US joins Turkey in fight against Dictator Assad and Kurdish terrorists.
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