Pants-of-dog wrote:Sure.
As long as you understand that it is not our country.
As long as you understand that I will still say our country, I will understand that
you aren't included when I say our country.
So a race is not a concrete and specific thing, but more like a word that can mean different things whenever you want it to.
And this is one of the reasons why we know that race is a social construct.
Race
is a social construct insofar as
the definitions are.But the basis of the social construct is often
genetic in nature.For instance, East Africans is a social construct, but what we all mean when we say East African has a genetic component. We are indicating people with ethnic origins in East Africa, and thus who have genetic sets from East Africa, and thus will statistically be better distance runners and carriers of genes for better distance runners.
Do you agree with that assessment?
No, I did not say that. I pointed out that this racing ability is limited to some people in one subtribe of one ethnic group in one country, and is therefore not applicable to all blacks.
Nor do we know if this running ability is something that is widespread in this subtribe, or if it is only marginally more widespread than in other populations and is only apparent when looking at Olympic level athletes.
How about East Africans -- meaning, people whose ethnic origins lay in the Horn of Africa -- have genetic sets that are disproportionately much higher than other people to create long distance runners.
Or, stated more simply: East African genetics tend to produce better long distance runners, moreso than any other.
Is that true? Any issues?
So a race is not a concrete and specific thing, but more like a word that can mean different things whenever you want it to.
And this is one of the reasons why we know that race is a social construct.
And this is one of the reasons why we know that race is a social construct.[/quote]
Race
is a social construct insofar as
the definitions are.But the basis of the social construct is often
genetic in nature.Are you now arguing that the Kenyan nation is actually multiracial? That would be the logical implication of this argument you are making.
This would then disprove the idea that blacks as a whole are a race.
Sure, Kenya has multiple cultures and ethnicities within it. I am no expert in them, though, and would defer to the opinion of a Kenyan.
... I think there can be be multiple cultures within an ethnogroup or race, though, right?
Like the existence of a Norwegian culture and a Serbian culture and a Spanish culture does not mean
the white race does not exist.You are not parsing the arguments properly but looking desperately for some semantical wiggle room so you don't have to deal with the real arguments that are just above the next hill. It feels like you are scared or something.
No. At best, it is a reasonable hypothesis, but it would be foolish to leap to a conclusion without any other evidence except that which suggests the hypothesis.
What is the reason, then, that East Africans are good long distance runners, if it is not genetic?
It is the only logical explanation.
What makes it
not the rational conclusion?Previously, you claimed they were distinct.
Now you are changing your argument. Okay.
There are some ethnogroups which are heterogeneous, such as the Qiang in China or the Persians or Mexicans or Colombians.
Yes, we discussed how a few genes code for melanin content in skin, and that this makes discernible differences in phenotypes, but that this is merely one difference and does not suggest that these differences are any more than that.
I receive not just the complexion from my parents, but also other
physical and mental characteristics.Agree or disagree?
So a race is not a concrete and specific thing, but more like a word that can mean different things whenever you want it to.
And this is one of the reasons why we know that race is a social construct.
And this is one of the reasons why we know that race is a social construct.[/quote]
Race
is a social construct insofar as
the definitions are.But the basis of the social construct is often
genetic in nature.