Snapdragon said: There no mothers or fathers until a child is born alive.
Wrong. And this is why pro choice people lose argument so freaking often. People are parents when they decide to be. The father who decides to support his pregnant girlfriend is a parent. When they buy the baby furniture they are parents. People are parents when they decide to act like them. There are may people who possess the results of live births who are not "parents".
It's much easier if you take that into consideration when arguing abortion, or parental rights of any description, to avoid muddying the waters.
Avoid muddying the waters?
Every state has murder laws that apply to someone who assaults a woman and kills the unborn child. They are fucking muddy enough already without your simple stuff.
Also, adoption is not an alernative to abortion, but to keeping or giving away your born child.
Nonsense. It is a decision that is frequently made before birth. You are making these absurd statements to try to dehumanize the child and denigrate the seriousness with which people take pregnancy and the birthing of children.
Let me play with you. If the fetus deserves no consideration at all until born then why does my tax money go to paying for medical care for it. If the responsibility for a child does not begin until birth and it is only the inanimate property of the woman in whom it is stored then I want my tax money back.
Abortion is an alternative to going through pregnancy and giving birth - which is a life changing, body changing, mind altering experience for women.
So, frequently is the act of having an abortion. You may personally believe that a fetus is no more important than a marble but I can assure you most people (men and women) do not.
Men don't need to risk their health or even their lives to become a parent, whereas women do.
Women don't need to risk their lives to become Americans free from invasion and men do. What is your point? But if they fear their health or even their lives they can do what I would advocate men do and not have sex until they are mature enough to accept the consequences.
Due to modern medical advances, pregnancy and childbirth is relatively safe in western countries these days, but nothing is taken for granted.
Not in the US and not for poor women it is not.
Women are carefully monitored throughout and for some time afterwards.
Not in America for poor women they are not.
There is no right or wrong time during pregnancy to have an abortion.
I disagree. And so do most doctors and the overwhelming (more than 90%) of Americans. Late term abortions are abhorrent and only to be contemplated in the most extreme conditions. Killing viable children is killing children in the opinion of the vast majority of people in the world. You may be fine with it but then you may be fine with giving them 72 hours after birth to decide whether to kill it or not. What is the difference?
It's much safer and easier to terminate earlier rather than later, but not always possible for various reasons which are none of our business.
It is safer to a tiny extent. You just argued how safe pregnancy is. Then not. Then is. Make up you mind. Safety has nothing to do with this at all. There are no reasons whatsoever why a late term abortion is necessary when earlier would not have been better. A developed condition that threatens the life of the mother or the discovery of severe birth defects are the only conceivable justifications for late term abortion. The mere fact that a woman changed her mind and finds having a child inconvenient is NOT a good reason to kill a viable child.
Abortion is a valid part of women's reproductive healthcare and should be treated as such.
Correct. So is the amputation of a leg. Neither is to be take lightly.
I might not approve of a woman who terminates a pregnancy for what I consider a frivolous reason, but she doesn't, and shouldn't, need my approval.
If it is late term she should not need my permission either. It should only be an option for her if her life is in severe danger. If she wants to give it away after birth because she can't be bothered to keep it then fine. But to kill it at none months? Nope. That is murder.
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