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By Julian658
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SolarCross wrote:The commies weren't really atheists. They actually were satanists wearing atheism as a disguise. There was nothing "pragmatic" about the mass human sacrifices they carried out. It was an offering to their unholy master.

At the end of the day communism was a religion and the absence of God made them fearless. This was all predicted by Nietzsche when he proclaimed God was dead.
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By Godstud
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Julian658 wrote:At the end of the day communism was a religion and the absence of God made them fearless.
:eh: You really don't know what Communism is, do you?

Try some education:

Communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society. Communism is thus a form of socialism—a higher and more advanced form, according to its advocates. Exactly how communism differs from socialism has long been a matter of debate, but the distinction rests largely on the communists’ adherence to the revolutionary socialism of Karl Marx.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/communism
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By SolarCross
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Godstud wrote:Communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society. Communism is thus a form of socialism—a higher and more advanced form, according to its advocates. Exactly how communism differs from socialism has long been a matter of debate, but the distinction rests largely on the communists’ adherence to the revolutionary socialism of Karl Marx.


It isn't "public ownership" or "communal control" it is to be a monopoly of the communist party. Don't believe the sales pitch look at the what actually happens.
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By Julian658
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Godstud wrote::eh: You really don't know what Communism is, do you?

Try some education:

Communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society. Communism is thus a form of socialism—a higher and more advanced form, according to its advocates. Exactly how communism differs from socialism has long been a matter of debate, but the distinction rests largely on the communists’ adherence to the revolutionary socialism of Karl Marx.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/communism


Why are you using a strawman? The thread is not about the definition of communism. Everybody knows communism is not a religion, however many treat it as religion.
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By Godstud
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@Julian658 Some people pretending a system is a religion, does not make it so. You will find communists and socialists on this forum, that are not atheists, as well.

Ascribing atheism as evil is simply stupidity and lack of understanding of what atheism means. Atheism is disbelief in a god, not a disbelief in the rules of societies that make them function. Many of the most atheist societies in the world, are also the best, in terms of freedoms and morality.

Even the most die-hard atheist will admit that the 10 Commandments, or at least a few of them that aren't associated with "god", are required in a functioning society. This is why these rules are ensconced within almost every religion.

Some forms of Buddhism are atheist, but you sure don't see anyone calling them evil, do you? Ignorance of atheism is what's "evil". :knife:
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By Julian658
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Godstud wrote:@Julian658 Some people pretending a system is a religion, does not make it so. You will find communists and socialists on this forum, that are not atheists, as well.

Ascribing atheism as evil is simply stupidity and lack of understanding of what atheism means. Atheism is disbelief in a god, not a disbelief in the rules of societies that make them function. Many of the most atheist societies in the world, are also the best, in terms of freedoms and morality.

I am agnostic and hence you are preaching the wrong sermon. I know quite well many atheists are as pious as Mother Theresa. Many atheists are good people, however you cannot use that to minimize the atrocities of the 20th century. These atrocities are despicable because MANKIND was supposed to be enlightened.

Even the most die-hard atheist will admit that the 10 Commandments, or at least a few of them that aren't associated with "god", are required in a functioning society. This is why these rules are ensconced within almost every religion.



Some forms of Buddhism are atheist, but you sure don't see anyone calling them evil, do you? Ignorance of atheism is what's "evil". :knife:


How many times to I have to say i am agnostic? Will that stop you from using straw men?
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By Godstud
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Julian658 wrote: I know quite well many atheists are as pious as Mother Theresa.
:?: Can you explain this statement? Devoutly religious cannot be applied to an atheist, as atheism is not a religion, or at least not in the manner you seem ti imply.

Religion:
- the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
- a particular system of faith and worship
- a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.


If you refer to Atheism as something that people "ascribe supreme importance.", then yes, some might consider Atheism as THEIR religion, but that's on a personal level. Educating people on reality is a good thing.

Julian658 wrote: Many atheists are good people, however you cannot use that to minimize the atrocities of the 20th century.
Atheism is not the cause(which is a claim the OP made), and mankind's "Enlightenment" has yet to occur on any significant level.

Julian658 wrote:How many times to I have to say i am agnostic? Will that stop you from using straw men?
I am only responding to your comments.

You said:
Julian658 wrote:At the end of the day communism was a religion and the absence of God made them fearless.
I responded to that false claim. If you have a source to support this claim, then by all means, present it.

Julian658 wrote:New atheists can be as radical as fundamental evangelicals. And they love to preach the word of atheism to others.
Another claim to which I responded.
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By Julian658
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Godstud wrote::?: Can you explain this statement? Devoutly religious cannot be applied to an atheist, as atheism is not a religion, or at least not in the manner you seem ti imply.

Religion:
- the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
- a particular system of faith and worship
- a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.


If you refer to Atheism as something that people "ascribe supreme importance.", then yes, some might consider Atheism as THEIR religion, but that's on a personal level. Educating people on reality is a good thing.

Atheism is not the cause(which is a claim the OP made), and mankind's "Enlightenment" has yet to occur on any significant level.

I am only responding to your comments.

You said:
I responded to that false claim. If you have a source to support this claim, then by all means, present it.

Another claim to which I responded.


OK, I finally get your posting style. You take everything literally when I am obviously using idiomatic expressions, metaphors, ect. I will try to be very literal from now on. Thank God you are not an Evangelical, those folks read the bible literally. Of course atheists are not like Mother Theresa. I was simply stating that many atheists are good people.

You never heard of the Enlightenment ? Or are you stating that was not enough?

"The Enlightenment, also known as the Age of Reason, was a philosophical movement that took place primarily in Europe and, later, in North America, during the late 17thand early 18thcentury. Its participants thought they were illuminating human intellect and culture after the "dark" Middle Ages".

Atheism is neither evil or good. In fact atheism is just non-believing in a deity. Certainly not complex or difficult to understand. I don't understand why people are so passionate about this.
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By Godstud
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I am reading the text that you write. How am I not supposed to take that literally? :lol:

I am unfamiliar with your writing style, so you'll have to forgive my literal interpretations of what you write.

I understand what the Enlightenment was, but I was thinking you meant that in a broader sense.

Some people are passionate about wanting people to get away from worship of a deity and the unrealistic expectations that come from that. They wish to "enlighten them".
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By Julian658
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Godstud wrote:I am reading the text that you write. How am I not supposed to take that literally? :lol:

I am unfamiliar with your writing style, so you'll have to forgive my literal interpretations of what you write.

I understand what the Enlightenment was, but I was thinking you meant that in a broader sense.

Some people are passionate about wanting people to get away from worship of a deity and the unrealistic expectations that come from that. They wish to "enlighten them".


In this era it is quite normal to assume there is no God. In fact,that is the default position of most educated enlightened people.

Some people feel the need to put down Christianity as the most evil movement in world history whereas other non-believers simply move on and don't think much about it.

As an agnostic i go to mass with my wife because she enjoys the rituals and the social activities. It is no big deal to me, she is happy. SHe even said that she could care less if God is real or not, but that she will always attend church.

When I realize God was likely a myth I was a teenager. It all made sense and I moved on, no big deal. I know many like me.
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By Godstud
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Good job. Yes, I try not to demonize Christianity, as there are some good examples of thinking Christians on this forum(Drlee being one).

I go to Buddhist ceremonies with my wife, for the same reasons. If me wearing a Buddha necklace gives my wife some small comfort, I am OK with that. It's a good decoration, as well, and others view it positively.
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Terrible things happen in this world, but religion, or lack thereof, has usually not been the cause of the worst things. Power, greed,... these are the things that fuel "evil".
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By emilynghiem
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MrWonderful wrote:[url]http://AtheismIsEvil.blogspot.com

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The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined. – The Irrational Atheist, by Vox Day, page 240

“When I began my career as a cosmologist… I was a convinced atheist. I never imagined that I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true …. straightforward deductions of the laws of physics… I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics.” – Frank Tipler, professor of mathematical physics

"Nothing will prevent me from eradicating totally, root and branch, all Christianity in Germany." - Adolf Hitler, April 7, 1933

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains. ... The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. ... We commence hostilities against the so-called Ten Commandments; the tablets from Sinai are no longer in force." --Adolf Hitler

“If you believe in evolution and naturalism then you have a reason not to think your faculties are reliable.” - Alvin Plantinga


Dear @MrWonderful
1. Those "52 atheists" did not act alone to kill people themselves.
Many other people ran the death camps and committed acts of genocide.
This included people who believed they were doing the work of God
and following the Bible. There is video footage of people "singing hymnals as Christian choir" before returning to work running the concentration camps.

2. The common factor in acts of war, genocide, jihad terrorists attacks, and other crime and violence is RETRIBUTION, UNFORGIVENESS and ILL WILL.

That is independent of religion, anyone can be caught up in this cycle of retribution regardless of one's faith, affiliation, religious or political identity.

The common factor in overcoming evil, greed, oppression, abuse that leads to war and violence is FORGIVENESS and COMPASSION for all humanity.

Again, this factor that breaks the cycle of abuse, oppression and violence
can be found in ANY person of ANY belief or group.

Collectively when people UNITE in this spirit of RESTORATIVE JUSTICE, that is what it means for the PEOPLE or the CHURCH BODY to be made WHOLE in the spirit of CHRIST JESUS. It's about agreeing to receive FORGIVENESS and CORRECTION to HEAL relations and humanity from past injustices and wrongs.

This is the meaning behind Christianity and what Christ Jesus represents, as RESTORATIVE JUSTICE to bring healing and peace to ALL humanity united as one, but it is not restricted to just "Christians."

Any and ALL people of ANY faith or no faith at all, can agree to live together in peace by Restorative Justice and it's the same meaning as taught in Christianity using the Bible.
By snapdragon
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Sivad wrote:Babies aren't evil but most of them are stupid assholes just waiting to happen.


They shit themselves. What more do you need to know?

On the other hand , Boris Johnson is an atheist.
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By Sivad
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snapdragon wrote:They shit themselves. What more do you need to know?


Most of them never stop shitting themselves. Atheism vs theism :knife:
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By Julian658
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Godstud wrote:Good job. Yes, I try not to demonize Christianity, as there are some good examples of thinking Christians on this forum(Drlee being one).

I go to Buddhist ceremonies with my wife, for the same reasons. If me wearing a Buddha necklace gives my wife some small comfort, I am OK with that. It's a good decoration, as well, and others view it positively.
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Terrible things happen in this world, but religion, or lack thereof, has usually not been the cause of the worst things. Power, greed,... these are the things that fuel "evil".


Exactly even though I am agnostic I have a Catholic cultural background and enjoy rituals as most humans do. It is no wonder that many atheists seek some form of spirituality. It is al about the human condition and how most ancient cultures needed some sort of deity to thrive as a group. As Jonathan Haidt says all groups need sacred issues. Today the sacred issues are secular, but nonetheless serve the same purpose as old fashion religion.
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By Besoeker2
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Julian658 wrote:It is al about the human condition and how most ancient cultures needed some sort of deity to thrive as a group.
:)
So that's why the deities were invented........
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By Julian658
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Besoeker2 wrote::)
So that's why the deities were invented........


This is well known. In ancient times there was no science and hence mythology or religion were created to explain the world. Furthermore as groups got larger they were no longer bound by kinship and religion became the glue that kept larger tribes together.

Atheism does not appear in a vacuum. One needs theism first and then atheism.
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By Besoeker2
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Julian658 wrote:This is well known. In ancient times there was no science and hence mythology or religion were created to explain the world. Furthermore as groups got larger they were no longer bound by kinship and religion became the glue that kept larger tribes together.

Atheism does not appear in a vacuum. One needs theism first and then atheism.

We are all born knowing nothing, no belief in theism, thus atheists.
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