noemon wrote:This post is hilarious as it's quite evident that you cannot post anything without adding a whinging disclaimer of what poor victims the far-right are. This victimisation of the far-right is becoming more and more cringe-worthy. But all this crying is fake.
Keep in mind, all of this is happening in your head. I never made any disclaimers or said that Eurosceptics were "victims". I said the media is doing its level best to spin huge gains for Eurosceptic parties as a big win for the Green party and a huge loss for UKIP (Nigel Farage's former party). Trying to interpolate emotional states into what people say in text is a fools errand.
noemon wrote:European and British media have been posting about Farage, Le Pen, La Lega in Italy, Orban and Poland for weeks and have all recognised and reported those gains not just from last night but weeks ago.
The American media doesn't. The American media is almost acting as if Europe didn't exist.
noemon wrote:The major upset that no-one predicted and no-one reported is in fact the astronomic rise of the Green Parties across Europe.
It was debated right here on PoFo before the election. Again, it was clear to people on PoFo, but it was not predicted or reported by the media, because the media didn't want that to happen. In the UK, they wanted a victory for Labor. Remainers voted for the Green party--something discussed here on PoFo.
noemon wrote:Second, Kurtz and New Democracy are bog standard conservatives
Kurz just got bounced:
Austrian chancellor Sebastian Kurz ousted in no-confidence voteWho exactly organised the sting on the far-right remains the subject of fevered speculation in both Austria and Germany. Media reports have identified the Viennese lawyer Ramin Mirfakhrai as the middleman who put the FPÖ politicians in touch with the purported heiress.
Mirfakhrai confirmed his involvement in a written statement, but did not reveal any further participants, merely describing the sting as a “civil society-driven project in which investigative-journalistic approaches were taken”.
Spiegel and Süddeutsche have refused to comment on the video’s origins in order to protect their sources. Strache has called the video “a honey trap stage-managed by intelligence agencies”, but also alluded to a controversial Israeli spin doctor with links to Austria’s centre-left Social Democratic party (SPÖ) and a German satirist, Jan Böhmermann.
Seems he wasn't as lucky as Trump. However, it is getting clearer that deep state actors are a problem for politicians not towing the globalist line.
noemon wrote:same as Merkel's party which most of you guys consider leftist
Merkel is dangerously globalist, not leftist. There's obviously a significant difference.
noemon wrote:if I were in Greece I would have voted for New Democracy for example as did most of my family. These people have nothing to do with the other bunch you associated them with
Get used to it. They get conflated in the US media all the time, and I'm sure it won't be long before it's a common occurrence in the EU media. After all, what on Earth do Nazis and the Republican party have in common? Evangelical Christianity? Capitalism?
noemon wrote:silly-fascist Tommy boy who's your hero and got humiliated in these elections. As did Sargon of Akkad as well.
UKIP got sidelined by Nigel Farage and the Brexit party, and it was a brilliant move on his part. By forming a new party late in the electoral cycle, the establishment didn't have time to trash its name and standing. Tommy Robinson and Sargon of Akkad are not exactly politicians. Maybe they will be at some point. Tommy Robinson is what Barack Obama might call a "community organizer," a polite term for shit disturber. I like that about Tommy Robinson, but it doesn't mean I pin my hopes on him in any way, but rather that he exposes the people I want exposed. Nigel didn't want the built-in bad press that they engender, so he sidestepped them. It was a tactical move that was part of his larger strategy, and executed brilliantly.
noemon wrote:Major parties have been punished and less mainstream parties have picked up their votes both on the left and the right.
Why are they being punished noemon?
noemon wrote:This is a trend we have been witnessing almost in every single EU election as people are more confident to vote less mainstream parties than in national elections where they return back to their bases. In fact Farage, Le Pen and many others would not even exist as political parties if it were not for the European elections as these parties historically only managed to get elected in the European elections alone. Nationalists have stolen votes from bog standard conservatives while Green parties and Liberal parties have stolen votes from Labour-Left parties. The divide has not moved a single inch further to the right or left, though.
It's not a right vs. left dynamic. It's globalist versus nationalist, and nationalist parties are winning in key countries. Brexit appears imminent, while globalist parties are no longer eminent.
Atlantis wrote:This is a victory for Europe.
The UK leaving the EU is a victory for Europe? Will you say the same for France and Italy? National Rally and League won. The EU will be quite a different place if France or Italy leave. Their sentiment is years behind the UK, but they are heading in the same direction now.
Atlantis wrote:European politics is the politics of the center. The extremists cannot takeover European politics.
Taking over European politics is not the objective. Leaving the EU is the objective.
colliric wrote:But it's also a victory for Brexit despite the doom and gloom some people are forecasting.
That's just standard media psyops on behalf of globalists. They are in a state of shock, but they have been since 2016.
B0ycey wrote:If The Brexit Party isn't a Trash Bin vote, I don't know what is.
It's the latter.
Prosthetic Conscience wrote:They have an overwhelming interest in saving the environment, but that's pretty mainstream, really.
Environmentalism is a globalist position that involves putting the screws to working classes in the US and Europe while maintaining massive trade deficits with China and giving them all sorts of leeway on environmental degradation such that China is the world's worst polluter and the Greens are on board with that. Some of the people can be fooled all of the time. The Gilets Jaunes movement illustrates the limitations of what the Green party can do.
Prosthetic Conscience wrote:Nor, for that matter, are American liberals "extreme". They tend to support policies that wouldn't have looked out of place in a 1950s Republican manifesto.
Transgender bathrooms, new sets of gender non-binary pronouns, legal sanctions for not complying? Not exactly 1950s Republicanism...
noemon wrote:and the Lib-Dems also becoming a major party due to their anti-Brexit rhetoric.
They were the only remainers that would openly say so. The electorate appreciates a little candor.
noemon wrote:BoJo is an idiot but not enough of an idiot to commit political suicide by becoming captain of a sinking ship.
Refusing leadership is also political suicide. Europe will only deal reasonably with the UK post-Brexit. They have to try to make Brexit painful for the UK.
Beren wrote:The far-right/Eurosceptics couldn't break through and the EU election was a thing for the first time, which is good.
Breaking through only needs to happen on a national level, and it did in the UK, France and Italy.
SolarCross wrote:I just have a hard time considering half-starved hippy vegans the mainstream but from their perspective it is everyone else that is weird I suppose.
They have a few significant problems: first, they are either economically comfortable (virtue signalling) or disinterested in bourgeois lifestyle (hippies); second, being copacetic with massive trade deficits with huge polluting nations is not consistent with their stated philosophy (hypocritical) nor is it something blue collar voters find tolerable (popular). So I think their upside is limited.
Reichstraten wrote:Besides France and Italy, the ENV (right-wing populists) is a failure.
What becomes of the EU if France or Italy leaves? It's not about left wing versus right wing. It's about globalism versus nationalism.
Ter wrote:France and Italy are among the biggest countries in the EU.
True, but more importantly economically. With Britain leaving, the EU economy shrinks considerably. If France or Italy leaves, it starts looking more like a German empire, which is essentially what it has become. Empires generally don't last due to significant internal contradictions. I expect the same fate for the EU in the long term.
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