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Why are these antifa LGBT terrorists so concerned about a bunch of mostly left leaning Youtubers and independent journalists getting together, talking and presenting ideas to the public?

The venue apparently doesn't involve them, so it doesn't affect them, so why are they trying so hard to get the event shut down??

Remember that old refrain they liked so much, "it doesn't affect you!" Right?
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Hong Wu wrote:I think most of Antifa would enjoy being labelled a terrorist organization.


That's like the worst idea ever, both sides need to stop lobbying to have the opposition designated as domestic terrorists. That's just playing with fire.
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maz wrote:The venue apparently doesn't involve them, so it doesn't affect them, so why are they trying so hard to get the event shut down??[/b] Right?


Nazi political beliefs are inherently violent. When nazis congregate they're stating, "We are organizing to oppress and kill you."

Nazis don't meet and congregate in a non-violent way. The expression of their political views includes violence and intimidation, which is why you see them show up to places like Charlottesville (where they murdered a woman) and Portland armed and ready to fight.

Stopping nazis from marching and congregating is countering violence. Local antifa groups form in response to the legitimate violent threat of nazis and their violent politics.

Also you can tell antifa is good because Maz hates them, and maz loves nazis. Maz's politics are shit, the effects of marinating his brain in turd juice of online nazi forums, and you can pretty easily tell who the good people in any situation are by seeing who Maz hates. Maz has never met a violent, murderous nazi he didn't like.
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skinster wrote:Nazis care about young girls too now, apparently.


If antifa would just not show up and let people walk down the streets, then there probably wouldn't be any violence.

But OMG we can't let people get together and walk down the street, or meet in rooms to talk about different ideas because you know who used to get people together and walk down the street, or meet in rooms to talk about different ideas? Hitler!
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If they had the power, they would be like one of their heroes, Hitler. If you and your buddies want to walk down the street in multi-ethnic neighbourhoods and chant stuff like sharing-is-caring, fine. But we're talking about white supremacists, who are a legitimate threat to anyone who isn't a white supremacist, if they have any power.

The antifascist protesters are there to make sure they can't organize so they don't have any power, it's basically their entire ideology (the 'fa' in 'antifa' stands for fascist, remember). Stop pretending you and they are victims, you're supremacists and you can fuck off with that bullshit since it's 2019 now and the world has changed, so get with its programme.
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skinster wrote:Antifa wouldn't exist without the white supremacists. It's right there in their name. :excited:


And they won't exist if they're eradicated with violence, either...
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skinster wrote:Antifa wouldn't exist without the white supremacists.


Well thank God there's an antifa to combat the tiny minority of fringe dwelling idiots that nobody gives a fuck about to begin with. If it wasn't for antifa, racist retards with banners would occasionally turnout in small numbers and slightly inconvenience the indifferent masses unopposed.
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skinster wrote:
The antifascist protesters are there to make sure they can't organize so they don't have any power, it's basically their entire ideology (the 'fa' in 'antifa' stands for fascist, remember).


Right, thanks for admitting some people on the right are being targeted for harassment and literally being oppressed while claiming that they the right are either currently oppressing, or in a secret conspiracy to oppress others if they are allowed to get together and walk down the street or to meet in private rooms to share ideas.

It's the exact same rationalization that Israel uses to attack their neighbors; claiming that their enemies are in a giant conspiracy to wipe them off the map, or drive them into the sea or some bullshit therefore they have the rights to just bomb and kill whomever they want.

skinster wrote: Stop pretending you and they are victims, you're supremacists and you can fuck off with that bullshit since it's 2019 now and the world has changed, so get with its programme.


You just admitted that "supremacists" ie people who don't believe in mass illegal immigration and teaching children about anal sex and how to wear dresses, are being targeted for harassment and are literally being victimized by antifa.
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Is that Blues Brothers scene where they run the nazis off the bridge big with antifa types? That's a great scene from an awesome movie.

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Code Rood wrote:The antifa flag comes from the paramilitary wing of the German communist party. They're communists, not national-socialists. German national-socialists fought against antifa in the streets of Germany in the 1930's.

If they're communists or socialists then they're cousins of the fascists and Nazis. The Communists and Nazis fought each other in the streets of Germany in the 1930s because they were competing for the support of the same subsection of German society.
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Sivad wrote:That's like the worst idea ever, both sides need to stop lobbying to have the opposition designated as domestic terrorists. That's just playing with fire.

Well, let me explain my reasoning when I say that they want to be declared a terrorist organization.

First, as I've opined before, punching someone in the face (e.g., punch a "nazi" in the face) doesn't actually change anyone's opinion. It doesn't kill or remove a political opponent. In our current environment where these people are a minority, it's completely counter-productive towards their stated end goals.

Second, we can conclude from the persistent irrationality of all this that these people's stated goals and their actual goals are, in most cases, not the same thing.

Third, their actual goal is to virtue signal, look tough, come across as revolutionaries, all without getting into too much trouble.

Fourth, if Trump declares them a terrorist organization, most of them will have accomplished their goal and they can move onto something else, such as LARPing being part of an oppressed underground movement.

All Trump has to do is wait for the right time, probably after someone else gets injured in the lead-up to the election, to declare them a terrorist organization. At that point, the "outrage exchange" occurs and everyone gets what they really want.
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Doug64 wrote:If they're communists or socialists then they're cousins of the fascists and Nazis. The Communists and Nazis fought each other in the streets of Germany in the 1930s because they were competing for the support of the same subsection of German society.


There are actually big differences between communism, fascism and national-socialism. National-socialism was a direct response to the communism that was terrorizing Russia and eastern Europe. Germany was supposed to be next on the chopping block. Think of national-socialism what you will, but this is history. National-socialism was a response to the red terror.
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Code Rood wrote:There are actually big differences between communism, fascism and national-socialism. National-socialism was a direct response to the communism that was terrorizing Russia and eastern Europe. Germany was supposed to be next on the chopping block. Think of national-socialism what you will, but this is history. National-socialism was a response to the red terror.

Yes, there are major differences: Russian Communism was explicitly internationalist, Fascism was explicitly nationalist, and Nazism was explicitly racist. That’s why they’re cousins rather than siblings. But there’s good reason why Mussolini and Hitler were originally so respected by the Progressives of their time.
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