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As either the transitional stage to communism or legitimate socio-economic ends in its own right.
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Once I came across Tony Benn in 2001. I think it was an interview I read online, then I started browsing more, & ordered his diaries, etc.
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SSDR wrote:I am against identity denial. I would not want to live around people who are very different than me. I would not want to be surrounded by people who make noise all night and who turn communities into shit hole slums.

I would not want anyone to walk freely without worrying about being raped by someone who comes from Africa or the Middle East.

I am not a "Stalinist." I am not a "Marxist-Leninist." Lenin and Stalin were Zionists. The Soviet Union was a mixed, Zionist state who made the DDR a decoy state. They tried to make Poland their decoy as well.

I am not a "follower" of the Soviet Union.

Yet you have labeled yourself a Communist , in your profile here in the forum . Don't you see how people here are confused about what you are about ? Also , you are coming across as holding to racial prejudice . As for me , I just feel that whether we have integration , or separation of the various ethnic communities , such as by perhaps designating the " black belt " an African-American ethno-state https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/black-belt-republic-1928-1934/ , all peoples should by right have equitable standing with one another . Also , I myself value community , and upholding community standards . However , I do not feel , based upon my personal experience , that blacks are any more uncouth than their white counterparts . Trash is trash , no matter the skin color . And I believe that most Americans , and quite possibly Europeans as well , share a common popular culture , and do not know , or even care about the folk culture of their ancestors , whether or not you or I appreciate this .
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Deutschmania wrote:Yet you have labeled yourself a Communist , in your profile here in the forum . Don't you see how people here are confused about what you are about ?

There is different variations of socialism. Not every socialist has to be a denier who believes in false Zionist propaganda like "racial denial."
Also , you are coming across as holding to racial prejudice . As for me , I just feel that whether we have integration , or separation of the various ethnic communities , such as by perhaps designating the " black belt " an African-American ethno-state https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/black-belt-republic-1928-1934/ , all peoples should by right have equitable standing with one another .

Different people have different standards. White people have different values than black people. I cannot explain how since it will violate this website's rules.
Also , I myself value community , and upholding community standards . However , I do not feel , based upon my personal experience , that blacks are any more uncouth than their white counterparts
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It depends on what the definition of "trash" you are using.
And I believe that most Americans , and quite possibly Europeans as well , share a common popular culture.

This is very false.

Yankee culture is very different than British, Germanic, Nordic, Italic, or various Slavic cultures. Yanks eat shit food. Yanks wear shit clothes like jeans. Yanks are big and fatter. Yanks love to talk loud. Whenever one sees a Yankee tourist, they are usually the LOUDEST person around. British culture is over exaggerated, over talked, and wasted. British people love to over express everything, and waste lots of energy talking. Italic culture is fond, fashionable, and lynx like. Italians are like lynxes. Italy even had a vehicle of the name of "Lince."

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Autoblinda_Lince

Slavic cultures are not advanced, oppressive, not progressive, dramatic, and brutal. Slavs love to gossip, especially Yugos/South Slavs.

That is why the southern slavs cannot even maintain their own state without chaos, because they are annoying and rude.
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SSDR wrote:There is different variations of socialism. Not every socialist has to be a denier who believes in false Zionist propaganda like "racial denial."

The irony of Deutschmania's complaint against you is that his hero Marx (PBUH) was a far more obnoxious racist than you are.

Marx was pretty rude about jews too, ironically.
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SSDR wrote:@SolarCross,

Deutschmania is a western neo Marxist of whom is trying to deny ethnic and racial differences between humans.

Right, he is basically blending in a particularly fanciful strain of bourgeois liberalism into socialism and then crying how you are the one not doing it right. Hilarious.
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Rancid wrote:I want to become a socialist. I really do. It's just, I love money.


Why do you continue to make me laugh with your outrageous and semi-truthful statements eh?

You are too cynical about human nature to become a socialist. You think? I am not sharing my dough with people who don't respect how hard it is to defend my American Dream from the hands of the racists, and the blanquitos, and the negritos, and the chinitos....I just don't trust people. That is my issue.

Where is the plane next to the airport in Austin? I have to take the money and run...change my name, dye my hair. It is all best that no one hold me accountable.

I am a socialist for a simple reason Rancid. I think society comes first when planning for human needs. Not capital. Society first. Everything else stems from serving society. You serve your family, your neighbors and the state should be in the business of making a secure life for everyone according to their needs and their abilities. Not to oppress, not to empoverish, not to deny rights. But to do the opposite.

Te quiero mucho muchacho. :D ;)
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SolarCross wrote:The irony of Deutschmania's complaint against you is that his hero Marx (PBUH) was a far more obnoxious racist than you are.

Marx was pretty rude about jews too, ironically.

While I am quite aware of uncomplentary remarks that Karl Marx had directed at those whom he disagreed with , such as Ferdinand Lassalle , for instance , this does not mean that he was a scientific racist . In fact he was a known opponent of racism . https://isreview.org/issues/26/roots_of_racism.shtml , https://www.imhojournal.org/articles/abolitionists-marx-slavery-race-class-salome-lee/ , https://socialistworker.org/2011/01/04/race-class-and-marxism And even if he had exhibited racial prejudice , most everyone at the time held such sentiments . So your point reveals a presentist bias . https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thesundayedition/the-past-is-not-the-present-do-food-animals-have-rights-alberto-manguel-s-curious-mind-the-great-hunger-1.3497315/the-allure-and-the-dangers-of-presentism-1.3497463 And I for one have never treated Marx as being this infallible sage , in the first place .
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Tainari88 wrote:
Why do you continue to make me laugh with your outrageous and semi-truthful statements eh?

You are too cynical about human nature to become a socialist. You think? I am not sharing my dough with people who don't respect how hard it is to defend my American Dream from the hands of the racists, and the blanquitos, and the negritos, and the chinitos....I just don't trust people. That is my issue.

Where is the plane next to the airport in Austin? I have to take the money and run...change my name, dye my hair. It is all best that no one hold me accountable.

I am a socialist for a simple reason Rancid. I think society comes first when planning for human needs. Not capital. Society first. Everything else stems from serving society. You serve your family, your neighbors and the state should be in the business of making a secure life for everyone according to their needs and their abilities. Not to oppress, not to empoverish, not to deny rights. But to do the opposite.

Te quiero mucho muchacho. :D ;)


You know me too well.

Ultimately, I'm a very conflicted person.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:What is the type of oppression that Marxism is supposed to address?


The corruption and the lack of efficiency that money promotes, the ignorance of religion, and the family institution.
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@SSDR

No. That is incorrect.

The answer is exploitation that is leveraged through economic control of the working class.

What is the relationship between the class system and the means of production?
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Pants-of-dog wrote:No. That is incorrect.

YOU are incorrect.
The answer is exploitation that is leveraged through economic control of the working class.

Family is an economic institution that elites taught society to believe in oppressive family so they can cope with family oriented economics, preventing them from gaining real consciousness.
What is the relationship between the class system

It is always about class to you because YOU ARE AN ANARCHIST.

In socialism, "classless" means that everyone has an EQUAL opportunity to live a full filled life. That has nothing to do with going against authority that protects elders and children from rapists and domestic abusers.
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@SSDR

I have no idea why you think I am an anarchist.

Anyway, what is the relationship between the class system and the means of production?

Also, what is the difference between socialism and communism?
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Pants-of-dog wrote:What is the difference between socialism and communism?

You do not know yet you call yourself a "Socialist?" ! :lol:

Socialism is an economic system. "Communism" is a political system that USES socialism to get to "Communism."
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SSDR wrote:You do not know yet you call yourself a "Socialist?" ! :lol:

Socialism is an economic system. "Communism" is a political system that USES socialism to get to "Communism."


Close, but that is also incorrect.

Socialism is an ideology within Marxism that advocates that the use of the state is necessary in order to impose a dictatorship of the proletariat.

Communism argues that the state is unnecessary and the path to stateless and classless societies does not require the state.

So far, you have failed to answer any questions about Marxism correctly. And these are very basic ones.

Next question: is democracy incompatible with socilaism? Please provide examples from history in your answer.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:Close, but that is also incorrect.

You are incorrect. Again.
Communism argues that the state is unnecessary and the path to stateless and classless societies does not require the state.

A CAPITALIST state that DEFENDS currency is not required in a socialist state. "Stateless" is no capitalist state. When people say "stateless," they don't mean anarchist chaos like what you're spouting.
socilaism?

What is "socilaism?" No English word like that exists.

Not only you do not know what socialism is, but you cannot spell the term "socialism."
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Deutschmania wrote:In fact he was a known opponent of racism.

Different races/ethnicities have different standards and tastes. You cannot change that. Those differences are social borders, thus making your spouting neo Marxism useless.
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SSDR wrote:You are incorrect. Again.

A CAPITALIST state that DEFENDS currency is not required in a socialist state. "Stateless" is no capitalist state. When people say "stateless," they don't mean anarchist chaos like what you're spouting.

What is "socilaism?" No English word like that exists.

Not only you do not know what socialism is, but you cannot spell the term "socialism."


And again you have failed to answer a basic question about aocialism.

Your apparent lack of knowledge about Marxism implies that you are a socialist in name only.

Last question: please define capitalism.
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