benpenguin wrote:And this will all happen again if we cannot answer the China question: What is China's role in Hong Kong? How should we deal with / work with them? What does Hong Kong want, besides "out of my lawn"?
China should see Hong Kong as somewhere to be changed as little as possible, and themselves the custodian
. Do NOT try to remodel Hong Kong in their own vision. Instead, find somewhere else to carry out their experiments. As for "not allowing Hong Kong to be a base of anti-China or anti-Communism", well, the Chinese Communists, and to a lesser extent, the Chinese people themselves, are the real ones who ignited such sentiment. If they fail to acknowledge this, anywhere
can be a base of anti-China or anti-Communism. Don't they see what Malaysia and Kazakhstan have become?
I say this not
in a Hong-Kong-centric way. Why does Hong Kong have to be so important anyways? I actually like the idea that China, or at least a significant portion of it, be as good to live as Hong Kong is (or used to be). Many Hong Kong Secessionists hold their idea just because they lost hope of that. Therefore, I strongly disagree their call (and, instead, believe the Secession Question is a false proposition), but I cannot really blame them.
Making China "livable" is the ultimate solution of the Hong Kong problem. As a Chinese scholar Gu Yanwu said, "Everybody is responsible for the fate of the world". The Chinese only have themselves to blame if their place is such a shithole, and should not lie to others and force they way (as they have been doing). If they really cannot stand it anymore, then I won't hesitate to say "burn this bitch down
", but afterwards, please be serious to build something that works -- together.
Of course, there's a "dark side" of the above argument -- If they think foreign administration is better (as many of them prove by action) then why is it not right to make the said foreign people or system be their
benpenguin wrote:I have actually been on this forum for more than a decade and you have always been attacking China in your posts since I saw you - but I see you have since gotten more moderate. So, if this isn't what you are, I apologize for making that comment.
To put it simply, my observation is that different groups / races of people have different abilities, and the Chinese people seem not the best in the category of administrative ability or fairness. Because this is a politics forum, it is probably natural for me to give negative comments against China or the Chinese people most (if not all) of the time, and hold contempt for those who (constantly) vow the opposite.
It is a fact that I am often seen by other people as radical, irrational or -- I agree the most -- inconsistent. I do not intend to compare, but I believe there is at least one poster who has, early
in this thread, posted some statements that I found excessive or impractical, even though it's in agreement with my general ideas. However, I wish not to disclose more details of the said post(s).As I mentioned near the end of post 15043033
, the strength and nature of our reactions towards a person / group / organisation, often reflects the impression or influence of the said person / group / organisation. Considering the above comment, I will look into more about the potential meaning of my words might bring before making posts.