Political Interest wrote:I agree with a lot of this but you must remember that at the time of the Russian Revolution of October 1917 a lot of those values were applicable among the working class in Anglosphere countries.
Correct. The Anglosphere countries were dominated by religion.
Remember, the early part of the 20th century was before the cultural liberalisation that took place in the West after the war.
Correct. The cultural liberalization was heavily promoted by Zionists. Cultural liberalization is also a cultural capitalist product.
Of course England and America were different to Russia and always have been,
More socially individualistic, more socially liberal, more feminist, and more culturally passive than Russia.
but the programme of Bolshevik socialism was more applicable in the earlier periods than it was by the 1960s or 1970s.
Various socialist movements in the west by the 1960's were dominated by "Eurocommunism" of Italy, France, and Portugal. Austromarxism, and neo Trotskyism.
I don't think socialism can be constructed under conditions of social liberalism and extreme individualism as they exist in contemporary Western societies.
Some elements of social liberalism yes it can. It already did. Jazz and big band was commonly listened to in the Soviet Union by the 1950's. Lenin believed that some elements of womens' fashion in the Soviet Union were to follow contemporary (liberal) western fashions. Women wore make up. By the late 1960's, rock music was very popular in all of Eastern Europe. Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Poland, DDR, and even the Soviet Union had commonly played rock bands like Olympic, Indexi, Grupa 220, Team 4, die Sputniks, or Blackout.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_4https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnikshttps://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_ ... 2_muzyczny)
https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indexihttps://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympichttps://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grupa_220These examples of liberal music groups were influenced by western capitalist culture and social values. Many people also listened to the Pink Floyd (well played in the DDR by the mid 1970's), Yes, or Black Sabbath.
http://rockdock63.blogspot.com/2009/02/ ... grade.htmlSocial individualism has no correlation with economic socialism. A socially individualistic culture or nation that promotes social competition like the United States - Yes that is very anti Socialist.
I don't mean that complete patriarchy and conservatism are conducive to socialism but certainly not what is in the West now.
The West has been brainwashed and socially manipulated by the United States since World War Two, so that the States can manipulate the West to hate socialism. That is why. The West today is even more anti socialist than it was in the 1950's because they have been brainwashed and manipulated by the States and American lead NATO for decades.
The USSR at the time of 1917 was far more suitable than anywhere in the West today.
Correct. But I claim that this is because the Russian Empire did not set up its infrastructure to manipulate its masses to strongly hate socialism like how the States did after World War Two because at the time of the 1910's, there was no strong hostility towards socialism since there was no socialist country (until the Soviet Union).
Western communist parties achieved the most when they were in their Stalinist phase before Eurocommunism
Correct. Marxism-Leninism is far more strong than Eurocommunism.
and before Hungary 1956 led to the start of a wavering in their faith in Moscow's line.
Many of the counter revolutionaries of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution were also socialists, but they were pro Western socialists, and anti Marxist-Leninist.
Stalinism and the Soviet inteventions in Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968.
I think it is because capitalist governments brainwashed western masses like in Britain or in France (obviously USA as well) by getting them to think that Soviet involvements in Hungary and Czechoslovakia was "oppressive" and "wrong."
I simply cannot imagine cultural leftism of the type that exists in the Anglosphere now days being present in continental communist parties even after the development of Eurocommunism.
"Cultural Leftism" that political movements like the anarchist Antifa promotes are ANTI SOCIALIST. That is why.
The obsession with race, gender, privilege and policing of language all seems to be a product of the Anglo-American New Left and prior social conditions in those two countries.
I find this interesting and useless since topics like race have nothing to do with socialism.
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