Truth To Power wrote:No, it is science. What is really bull$#!+ is claiming that anyone could understand what's happening without comparing it to historical changes in climate.
That is called "spin". Of course present conditions must be examined in context. So maybe it would have been better if I had said "equating" instead of "comparing".
I'm not walking anything back. We can't be sure they actually believe their claims, but let's be charitable.
This is about your statement that "Every informed person is aware that climate changes and always has, so the use of the propaganda term, "climate change denier" merely proves deceitful intent..."
So the claim which you say we can't be sure they believe, is represented by the expression "climate change deniers". You're saying we can't be sure those who use that term actually believe their claim, which is that a "climate change denier" actually denies climate change. That's a ridiculous assertion on the face of it. ARE THE "DENIERS" actually denying climate change, or are they denying it is human-caused? That is a different question, but those are still "deniers". And there is no doubt that people who use the term "climate change deniers" actually believe that's what they are. But I have to give you credit. You are a very good
If it doesn't mean "change in climate," why use the term, "climate change"? Why not use an accurate term like, "hysterical, anti-scientific, anti-fossil-fuel hate propaganda"?
Ah. So you did lose track of the conversation and so have switched from a discussion/argument about "climate change deniers" to one of "climate change". Ok. Let's go that way.
So here's the reality on it: The vast majority of people IN THE WORLD
agree with the vast majority of climatologists and related scientists IN THE WORLD
who have confirmed by using the scientific method of peer review and independent study, that we are experiencing climate change that is almost certainly caused by human activity of various kinds. There is no hysteria involved in the studies which are entirely scientific. The hysteria is revealed as a characteristic of those who would refer to "anti-fossil-fuel hate propaganda". Such wording is most hysterical. The connection of fossil fuels to climate change was documented in 1977 by the Exxon-Mobil Corporation.
Government is properly for people, and money is not a form of speech.