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By colliric
#15059734
Lol, Booker pulls out and CNN willfully helps Warren torpedo her own campaign yet you guys are still arguing over who watches Fox News more.

As if CNN didn't just make absolute idiots out of themselves, finally in front of Democrats this time.

They apparently "were the first news organisation to find this audio"(Anderson Cooper's exact words, LOL! They apparently "found" their own audio which they recorded yesterday and he's celebrating it on air!).
By Hindsite
#15059768
Godstud wrote:Neither, but you're either rude or obnoxious. Which is it?

Why do you have to ask? I am sure you are the expert on rude and obnoxious.

colliric wrote:Lol, Booker pulls out and CNN willfully helps Warren torpedo her own campaign yet you guys are still arguing over who watches Fox News more.

As if CNN didn't just make absolute idiots out of themselves, finally in front of Democrats this time.

They apparently "were the first news organisation to find this audio"(Anderson Cooper's exact words, LOL! They apparently "found" their own audio which they recorded yesterday and he's celebrating it on air!).

Did CNN have Warren wired up?
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By colliric
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Hindsite wrote:Did CNN have Warren wired up?


Yes of course. That's what makes it so funny that Anderson Cooper(reading straight from the teleprompter no doubt) gloats about CNN "obtaining" the audio(correct wording). Lol.



.... No shit Sherlock, your news network literally recorded it.

Complain about Fox News all you want guys, they would never have made this epic blunder.

Dear Anderson, you don't have to read everything the Teleprompter says verbatim. If it says something that obviously moronic, just correct it on the fly. Just say "CNN can reveal the audio we recorded after the debate, as the microphones had yet to be turned off" instead. Lol. Save face instead. Have the Teleprompter writer "corrected" later.



Oh and just a reminder, CNN is the 24-Hour news network the as-good sequel totally bashes for like 2 straight hours. Great comedy is always politically incorrect.
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By Godstud
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Hindsite wrote:Why do you have to ask? I am sure you are the expert on rude and obnoxious.
Yes, since I encounter it daily from Trump cultists, and Trump zealots.
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By Finfinder
#15059798
Drlee wrote:English much?
And now you have decided to call me an "elitist". Obviously, like "conservative" it is a term with which you are unfamiliar. Pray tell. What have I said that you consider "elitist"?
You really need to go back to school and take a constitution class. .

What have you said? Well you brag about being in MENSA and to a lesser extent driving a Porsche. This wouldn't be much on its own however your posts here always contain a stylistic projection about the posters or the subjects intelligence. Its veiled in just about every one of your responses with contempt and self imposed seinority. Just look at the above post its classic.
Drlee wrote:As I have repeatedly said, I am not as upset with the president as I am with the party which used to run on a balanced budget and environmentalism not to mention a sane immigration policy.
How about this....Do not try to personally insult me. It is not working out well for you. Try attacking my positions by telling us why the republican party and its standard bearer ought to run up the deficits to staggering levels, abandon the environment and vilify immigrants, legal and otherwise. Try that. Sadly I do not think that you will. I have yet to find a republican who will. But if you do try, it will not work out well for you either. So just go back to the childish attempt to insult me or attack my character. It is the best you can do.

No you are upset at the president the party and the people who support Trump its laced in your posting history. Project much Drlee? How about you take your own advice, but I don't think you can control it. I have no issue with it except your denial of it just own it no biggie. See above post.
Drlee wrote: Try attacking my positions by telling us why the republican party and its standard bearer ought to run up the deficits to staggering levels, abandon the environment and vilify immigrants, legal and otherwise. Try that. Sadly I do not think that you will. I have yet to find a republican who will. But if you do try, it will not work out well for you either. So just go back to the childish attempt to insult me or attack my character. It is the best you can do.

I have,you refuse to answer. I have answered all those questions in previous quotes. I'm not a republican as i said many times.

I'm still waiting for you to answer in detail how you believe Bernie Sanders policies make him a better president that Trump and how Sanders tax and spend will not add massively to the debt. You being the conservative and staunch Republican you claim.
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By Drlee
#15059815
What a confusing post. You post the very answers to the questions you claim I did not answer. Then you go on with your usual character attacks.

What have you said? Well you brag about being in MENSA and to a lesser extent driving a Porsche.


Well. I am sorry these two facts make you feel inferior. They shouldn't. But let's set the record straight.

There was a thread about Mensa in which I participated. One thread. I am a member. Intertel also if you must know. Now every time I slam some racist who likes to posit that black people are not as smart as white people, this comes up. I don't bring it up, someone else does.

I do frequently claim that many Trump supporters are not very smart. That has nothing to do with how they might do on some intelligence test and everything to do with their obvious ignorance of the law, human decency, and their odd ability to ignore simple facts in service to some bizarre political positions. The thing that most causes me to point out this is they are constantly supporting Trump positions that are in direct conflict with what would be in their own self-interest. That is the very height of stupid behavior.

Look at my often heated exchanges with Blackjack21 (and others) but using him as an example.... He is an extremely bright poster who, though given to some pretty masterful trolling, always presents a very interesting take on today's events. Though he is a nominal Trump supporter you will never catch me commenting on his thought process. I would love to have a glass of wine with him someday.

Now the Porsche. There was a thread about cars and motorcycles that POFO people drive. I have two cars. One is a Porsche, one is a Prius. (I mention the Prius occasionally because it is what I drive everyday.) But it is odd that you seem to be obsessed with the Porsche. I am not. It is a Macan S. That is a sport SUV. It is expensive sure but if I were to buy a top of the line Ford Crew Cab pickup it would cost just as much. But a Trump supporter like yourself ought to be into displays of wealth. You mention that the economy is flying high. It is. And I am making money. What would you have me spend it on? If I said I collected baseball cards would you think that is elitist? Or is it that only the wealthy elite should drive German sports car brands? (I wear a Rolex watch too. Does that bother you just as much?*

You seriously ought to look at your reactions to this stuff. By the time you are my age you probably have learned that there will always be people who have stuff that I cannot afford or more importantly that I should be happy that they enjoy something nice for which they have worked very hard. I thought that was part of what conservatives believe about wealth.

So here is my suggestion to you Hindsite. Get me out of your wheelhouse and start making arguments to support your position.

Now. Because you missed it I will answer your question as to why Bernie might be good for the country and someone I might actually support. Pay attention because this is an argument that Blackjack made better than I am about to WRT Trump.

There are some of us who believe that, first and foremost, our system is broken. Big Business, the deep state, wealthy people and other special interest groups have our politicians dancing on a string. This has diminished the power of the people to the point that they are simply eyeballs to advertising. The election process is a joke and even after our every-two-year sham about caring for the kind of government people want the politicians go right back to doing what these wealthy folks want. Almost all of the people, at some level know this.

Trump was elected because people wanted him to break this system. I think it is odd that they chose the archetypal rich dude to get rich dudes out of power but it does not surprise me. He built is campaign on breaking stuff and vilifying others. (Who whats to believe they are part of the problem?) To some extent he actually did it. His trade war with China, though a disaster for farmers, is actually helping us in many ways. We are about to get a far better deal from them than those who are conservative on trade (like Obama) have gotten for us.

I believe that Bernie, like Trump, will break stuff. He will force the two houses of congress to agree on some very fundamental stuff that needs to be fixed. For example, health care and the environment. He will force them to "at least do something" about our diminishing middle class and the obscene inequalities of wealth that are only getting worse. Sometimes the solution will be things that conservatives like myself want such as getting out of the idiotic desert wars. Sometimes it will be stuff that centrists want like universal health care. (We have very few real leftists in the US so they are not a factor but the few we have will like Bernie's take on lobbying reform.)

In other words....Just as Trump is not really a conservative AND IT DOES NOT MATTER, Bernie is not a socialist AND IT DOES NOT MATTER. They both are change agents. And that is what we need right now.

So I, a conservative, could vote for Bernie for the same reason a liberal could vote for Trump. The deep and abiding certainty that somethings gotta' give.


*yes folks, though true it is the very definition of trolling.
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By BigSteve
#15059826
Drlee wrote:There was a thread about Mensa in which I participated. One thread. I am a member. Intertel also if you must know. Now every time I slam some racist who likes to posit that black people are not as smart as white people, this comes up. I don't bring it up, someone else does.


I know you've mentioned your alleged Mensa membership in at least two threads I participated in, neither of which was a thread specific to Mensa...

I do frequently claim that many Trump supporters are not very smart. That has nothing to do with how they might do on some intelligence test and everything to do with their obvious ignorance of the law, human decency, and their odd ability to ignore simple facts in service to some bizarre political positions.


Or maybe it's because those who vote for Trump don't want some batshit crazy old man drivin' the train.

Liberals once tried to say Trump wasn't worthy of the Presidency because he said "pussy" back in the 80's. Consequently, I find it difficult to take anything liberals have to say very seriously...

The thing that most causes me to point out this is their constantly supporting Trump positions that are in direct conflict with what would be in their own self-interest. That is the very height of stupid behavior.


I'm a wealthy guy. I'm a business owner. Tell me how Sanders' policies; such as a $15 minimum wage, would be in my best interest.

Also, he wants to forgive all college debt. That's insane. How does that make the slightest bit of sense? People willfully took on that debt to further their educations. No one held a gun to their heads. Why should they be allowed to just walk away from the responsibility of paying it back?

Free college? I'm sure you know this, but nothing's free. Someone's going to pay for all of those students to go to their community college and, since it won't be the students, it's going to be me and you. Dispensing with whether or not we're okay or not okay with doing that, how is it the right thing to do?

But a Trump supporter like yourself ought to be into displays of wealth.


That reasoning is completely idiotic. I support Trump. I agree with him on many issues. How the fuck would that possibly translate into me being "into" displays of wealth? The same could be of anyone who supports any number of idiot liberals who also have no problem flaunting their wealth...

You seriously ought to look at your reactions to this stuff. By the time you are my age you probably have learned that there will always be people who have stuff that I cannot afford or more importantly that I should be happy that they enjoy something nice for which they have worked very hard. I thought that was part of what conservatives believe about wealth.


It is.

Which is why it's surprising to see someone who claims to be a conservative be so supportive of someone like Sanders, who really has no interest in seeing people work very hard for anything...

In other words....Just as Trump is not really a conservative AND IT DOES NOT MATTER, Bernie is not a socialist AND IT DOES NOT MATTER. They both are change agents. And that is what we need right now.


Well, if we need a "change agent" then I would submit we already have onbe. No need to upset the apple cart at this point...
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By Drlee
#15059870
@BigSteve
There is nothing in that post that is worth responding to.

My posts about Mensa have never had anything to do with me in a personal way.

I'm a wealthy guy. I'm a business owner. Tell me how Sanders' policies; such as a $15 minimum wage, would be in my best interest.


Already did that. You ignored it. Inconvenient truth.


Which is why it's surprising to see someone who claims to be a conservative be so supportive of someone like Sanders, who really has no interest in seeing people work very hard for anything...


Why respond to simple untruths?

Well, if we need a "change agent" then I would submit we already have onbe. No need to upset the apple cart at this point...


I want a change agent who is not a criminal.
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By BigSteve
#15059884
Drlee wrote:@BigSteve
There is nothing in that post that is worth responding to


But, by God don't let that stop you from running your mouth about it... LOL!

My posts about Mensa have never had anything to do with me in a personal way.


Bullshit.

Outside of a thread which is specifically discussing Mensa, there's not a single reason to mention it. It's such an obscure organization that it's utterly meaningless to all except those who are allegedly members of it. But you felt as though you needed to mention our membership.

You have mentioned your membership in at least one thread which wasn't discussing Mensa. You know you have. I'll rely on the shred of honest fiber I think you might still possess to admit to that...

Already did that. You ignored it. Inconvenient truth.


No, you babbled on about some nonsensical bullshit, but you've completely failed at demonstrating how me being forced to pay a particular wage benefits me...

Why respond to simple untruths?


You believe Sanders would be best for this country. I disagree with you. That's not an "untruth", that's a difference of opinion.

It's sad that you think someone is lying just because they disagree with you...

I want a change agent who is not a criminal.


Well, as no one has been found guilty of any criminal charges, and that the likelihood of that happening is non-existent, I would again submit that you already have one...
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By Drlee
#15059912
You know Big Steve. You and Finfinder seem to be the only people intimidated by my membership in Mensa. Not one normal person on this board feels the least threatened by it except you two. You guys are so obsessed by it that you seem to think that it is some kind of weapon to use against me.

I find this tedious for two reasons... It is always off topic and it can only be a weapon if others are intimidated by it. And I know of no one here other than you two who are.

I recommend you not let it bother you so much. You really have nothing to fear from me.

But there is a larger question about the right that these two people are illustrating beautifully. That is that Trump supporters very frequently deride science, educated people and just in general smart people. Their positions on the environment are a good example. Another is their almost complete disregard for constitutional scholarship. Just look at my sig and see what Trump believes about "the uneducated".

As an old-time republican I am amazed at this transformation. The republican party used to be the home of some of the best thinkers and most erudite spokespeople in the country. Now, sometimes, it seems like they are trying to "out-dumb" one another. Visit a Trump rally and this is brought home in spades. One thing is certain. The Republican party has lost its intellectual base. Where are the likes of Buckley?

Well. At least they have Hindsite and the Big Steve (who we are reminded has said several times that he is wealthy one assumes to impress us) to carry water for them.

Hey Steve. Since you are wealthy and have posted your car pictures why don't you explain to Hindsite why you did that? He seems to be too intimidated by my test scores to make any effort in that regard, very useful at all. Perhaps a Porsche outranks a Corvette? For shear guts and glory I would think Godstud's motorcycle for the win.
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By Finfinder
#15059915
Drlee wrote:There was a thread about Mensa in which I participated. One thread. I am a member. Intertel also if you must know. Now every time I slam some racist who likes to posit that black people are not as smart as white people, this comes up. I don't bring it up, someone else does. . [/size]

No Drlee I don't feel inferior to a anonymous screen name on an obscure forum. You asked why and I answered. Sorry you don't like my answer (truth). Its not a personal attack but more of a challenge to your insertion of your qualifications to be the authority on these subjects. For instance isn't the very existence and basis of MENSA "elite" ? Why would you even bring it up then? Just the same as Hindsights preachings on religion that opens him to criticism. Whats the difference? Are those personal attacks?
Drlee wrote:.
I do frequently claim that many Trump supporters are not very smart. That has nothing to do with how they might do on some intelligence test and everything to do with their obvious ignorance of the law, human decency, and their odd ability to ignore simple facts in service to some bizarre political positions. The thing that most causes me to point out this is they are constantly supporting Trump positions that are in direct conflict with what would be in their own self-interest. That is the very height of stupid behavior.. [/size]

That's is a conflated quote and supports my assertion of elite clubs like MENSA or political elites like partisan impeachment lawyers are not authority on who is intelligent or stupid. You are not a Trump supporter so I'm not sure how can say you know better what people should want without falling into elite status.
Drlee wrote:Now. Because you missed it I will answer your question as to why Bernie might be good for the country and someone I might actually support. Pay attention because this is an argument that Blackjack made better than I am about to WRT Trump.
There are some of us who believe that, first and foremost, our system is broken. Big Business, the deep state, wealthy people and other special interest groups have our politicians dancing on a string. This has diminished the power of the people to the point that they are simply eyeballs to advertising. The election process is a joke and even after our every-two-year sham about caring for the kind of government people want the politicians go right back to doing what these wealthy folks want. Almost all of the people, at some level know this.
Trump was elected because people wanted him to break this system. I think it is odd that they chose the archetypal rich dude to get rich dudes out of power but it does not surprise me. He built is campaign on breaking stuff and vilifying others. (Who whats to believe they are part of the problem?) To some extent he actually did it. His trade war with China, though a disaster for farmers, is actually helping us in many ways. We are about to get a far better deal from them than those who are conservative on trade (like Obama) have gotten for us.
I believe that Bernie, like Trump, will break stuff. He will force the two houses of congress to agree on some very fundamental stuff that needs to be fixed. For example, health care and the environment. He will force them to "at least do something" about our diminishing middle class and the obscene inequalities of wealth that are only getting worse. Sometimes the solution will be things that conservatives like myself want such as getting out of the idiotic desert wars. Sometimes it will be stuff that centrists want like universal health care. (We have very few real leftists in the US so they are not a factor but the few we have will like Bernie's take on lobbying reform.)
In other words....Just as Trump is not really a conservative AND IT DOES NOT MATTER, Bernie is not a socialist AND IT DOES NOT MATTER. They both are change agents. And that is what we need right now.
So I, a conservative, could vote for Bernie for the same reason a liberal could vote for Trump. The deep and abiding certainty that somethings gotta' give.
*yes folks, though true it is the very definition of trolling.

I have never argued Trump is a 100% conservative I have said he has accomplished and will accomplish more conservative policy than any current candidate. This where you are very confusing as a touted conservative and Republican. You would abandon the appointment of constitutional and conservative judges, limited government, a balanced budget, property rights, personal freedom, unborn rights , school choice, free market system, the second amendment, legal immigration, separation of church and state, short term welfare ,and homeland security, among many other things Sanders would transform. Not to mention your choice of a Republican would be Jeb Bush who is a rich white career politician. Trump did not get rich off of politics, people understand the difference.

Drlee wrote:Look at my often heated exchanges with Blackjack21 (and others) but using him as an example.... He is an extremely bright poster who, though given to some pretty masterful trolling, always presents a very interesting take on today's events. Though he is a nominal Trump supporter you will never catch me commenting on his thought process. I would love to have a glass of wine with him someday. [/size]

Actually Drlee I don't have to opine about having a glass of wine with another poster I actually have sat down and drank beer with another POFO member (of which we have very little in common politically) who has some of the most popular threads on this forum, and we call each other friends.
I have benefited from this forum more than just anonymous banter.

as far your choice of cars I like them I hope you have 10 Porsche's. I only brought it up in context to your challenge
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#15059916
Drlee wrote:
Where are the likes of Buckley?



William F Buckely.

You don't see that name much.

I have about 5 things to say about the guy. More than I want to type.

Anyway, traditional conservatism is about preserving the status quo. The problem is they like capitalism, the greatest agent of change in human history. It's like doing you know what to preserve virginity..

This isn't a new problem. In England, the gentry, the minor nobles, loved the money being an empire got them. But they hated change, and fought it every time it reared it's ugly head. They also lost nearly every time.

They wanted small government, but again and again they had to let the government expand and manage things.

I suspect this is why you like Sanders. Preserving what's good means adapting to changing circumstance.

But does that mean you are still a conservative? Depends on who is telling the story. Conserving is adapting.
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By Drlee
#15059922
@Finfinder I do not wish to discuss Mensa. It is a collection of some very interesting people and I enjoy its annual gathering. Though from the outside it is, by definition, elite in one respect, from the inside it is just the opposite. It would take some time to explain so I will leave it except to say that in Mensa the 98th percentile represents the minimum.......So when attending their events one is not at all.....get it?

You would abandon the appointment of constitutional and conservative judges,


Those two things do not reconcile. Since I do not believe that Trump gives a fuck about the constitution, indeed has demonstrated he knows little about it, I realize that the judges he is appointing have his ideas; not conservative ones.

limited government,


Trump is not limiting government except to clear some inconvenient environmental regulations in favor of business and against the best interests of the people in general.


a balanced budget,


:lol: :lol: :lol: Even you have to laugh at that during this administration.

property rights,


Trump is absent on this one except to try to take away hundreds of privately owned properties to build his wall.

personal freedom,


Give me an example? How about net neutrality that Trump ended?

unborn rights


I do not agree with this position. I put the life of the mother ahead of that of a fetus. So do any number of conservatives for whom this is all about personal freedom. See above.

school choice


Bernie is stronger on this than Trump who is moot on the subject.


free market system,


There are no candidates who are not free market capitalists, including Bernie. As a conservative I understand that free market and unregulated are not the same thing.

the second amendment,


I believe in the second amendment. I also believe that it is not absolute. Regulation is necessary and preferred even for a conservative.

legal immigration,



Bernie is not for open borders. Trump on immigration is just about racism. Not control.

separation of church and state,


A classically more progressive issue....

short term welfare


Whatever that is supposed to mean.

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and homeland security,


Trump is terrible for the military. He is not popular with the troops. He abandoned our allies and pardoned war criminals. Why people think that the military is better off under him is astonishing. And oh by the way, he took money for better housing for troops to spend on his silly wall.
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By jimjam
#15059968
Drlee wrote:You know Big Steve. You and Finfinder seem to be the only people intimidated by my membership in Mensa. Not one normal person on this board feels the least threatened by it except you two. You guys are so obsessed by it that you seem to think that it is some kind of weapon to use against me.


I think my wife is Mensa material although she has never been interested. I tell her that she is smarter than I but that I have made fewer mistakes :lol: . IQ wise I have no idea where I stand although my "guidance" counselor in high school told me I was an "under achiever" …… which I took as a compliment. I have never been interested in "achieving" more than a decent standard of living, peace of mind and world travel. Beyond that seemed so tedious.
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By Drlee
#15060027
I tell her that she is smarter than I but that I have made fewer mistakes :lol: .


Amen to that. My wife is way smarter than I am. I know. She tells me that all of the time.

There is a test you could take but before I took it I would look up their Annual Gathering from last year and see if the subjects they discuss, the special interest groups, and parties they have would be of any interest. It is, at the end of the day, a club for people who like to do stuff they don't find elsewhere.

Some members like Trump. What would surprise our two people who are afraid of Mensa members is why they do. But they suffer from the dread smartypantsophobia. Crippling. It is a little like OCD. Once you get it you can't leave it alone.
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By jimjam
#15060049
Drlee wrote:There is a test you could take but before I took it I would look up their Annual Gathering from last year and see if the subjects they discuss, the special interest groups, and parties they have would be of any interest


I am fortunate to have a # of good friends who I value highly but I am generally reclusive. I have enjoyed "cyber friends" such as we see on POFO. With POFO I encounter the usual range of personalities on the 1 to 10 scale that one finds in "real life" but we always have the luxury of choosing the option of signing off and eating a ham sandwich. "Real" people may find this option insulting. Whoops, off topic again. Let me try to redeem myself:

"Saving the GOP" presumes that the party is worth saving because it still stands for good-faith principles and beliefs instead of being a wholly-owned subsidiary of the global plutocrat class.

But having reached its absurd nadir with Putin and McConnell calling the shots while a demented carnival barker sits in the White House, there's not much left to save.
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By Drlee
#15060102
"Saving the GOP" presumes that the party is worth saving because it still stands for good-faith principles and beliefs instead of being a wholly-owned subsidiary of the global plutocrat class.


There are many old time republicans like myself who are asking this very question.

Just yesterday the Martha McSally, (senator from Arizona who had been defeated and then appointed) referred to a CNN reporter asking a completely legitimate question, as a "liberal hack". Of course I will not vote for her. She is even fundraising on this idiotic comment of hers. She is a disgrace to the uniform she once wore. So I sat down and wrote a substantial check to her opponent. (A real military man and patriot.) I will NEVER vote for a political yes-woman like McSally who does not believe she should answer to the voters. But then as a retired Colonel she is probably out of the habit of answering to anyone very often.

Some time ago I had an issue with the government that called for intervention by an elected representative. I called McSally's office. Got the run around and was left feeling like she could not care less about her constituents. So I called our democratic senator's office. She got right on the problem and had it resolved for me in 24 hours. Then thanked me for giving her the opportunity to help.

There was a reason we voted down McSally before and I hope we do it again. She is simply a Trump sycophant who has sold her integrity for a political office.
By Istanbuller
#15060103
Being anti-Trump does not give you a long shot. Donald Trump almost get %99 approval rate among right leaning voters.

Donald Trump will mobilise his voter base. It is going to be a bigger win than 2016. Maybe a landslide victory is coming like Boris did in the UK.
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By Finfinder
#15060486
Drlee wrote:*yes folks, though true it is the very definition of trolling.


No idea why you would put that in such small font.
All I know is I got you to argue that you a supposed conservative would vote for Bernie Sanders over Trump hilarious. :lol: :lol:
We call that gut hooked in fishing terms, that is when the fish swallows the hook all the way down to their intestines. :lol:
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