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Is it only me, or are we focusing on Jewish people a bit excessively? Do they have such number in United Kingdom to affect democractic processes through legitimate means (i.e. sheer numbers)?
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Patrickov wrote:are we focusing on Jewish people a bit excessively?

The UK government seems to be.

It currently commits £13.4 million each year to protect Jewish schools, compared to just £2.4 million that the government spends on its “hate crime action plan” to provide protection for places of worship for all other religions—from Mosques to Gurudwaras. Yet the government’s own figures suggest that Britain’s 2.8 million Muslims are at a significantly higher risk of hate crime than its 270,000 Jews. In other words, the Jewish population—less than a tenth of the size of the Muslim population—receives five times the fiscal support Muslims do.


:lol:
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ingliz wrote:The UK government seems to be.

It currently commits £13.4 million each year to protect Jewish schools, compared to just £2.4 million that the government spends on its “hate crime action plan” to provide protection for places of worship for all other religions—from Mosques to Gurudwaras. Yet the government’s own figures suggest that Britain’s 2.8 million Muslims are at a significantly higher risk of hate crime than its 270,000 Jews. In other words, the Jewish population—less than a tenth of the size of the Muslim population—receives five times the fiscal support Muslims do.


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UKs budget is around 850 billion. Thats what? 0.0016% of the UK budget :eh:
#15060360
ingliz wrote:The UK government seems to be.


IMHO that does not mean the discussion has to follow suit...
#15060745
Fantastic to see that vile woman Jess Philips is out of the labour leadership contest. She makes Elizabeth Warren look like a nice person.
#15060803
Keir Starmer seems to be in a dominant position with around 30 point lead over Long Bailey. If no new pretenders to the throne arise, i do not see how he can loose this. 8)
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JohnRawls wrote:Keir Starmer seems to be in a dominant position with around 30 point lead over Long Bailey. If no new pretenders to the throne arise, i do not see how he can loose this. 8)


I agree, it seems the Labour leadership contest is Starmers to lose. Bit sad really, Labour never learn from past mistakes do they. The two contenders who were most likely to take over from Corbyn were always going to be Starmer or RLB, neither of whom are moderate or centre left. Starmer is a member of the Haldane Society of Socialist Lawyers, as was left wing lawyer Phil Shiner who was struck off for fabricating evidence against British soldiers in Iraq.

RLB is Corbyns and Momentums choice because she is an extreme lefty, and it makes me wonder whether diehard lefties remember things like Michael Foot, Derek Hatton and Militant Tendency. It seems Momentum aren't bothered or don't understand that they are making it easy for Boris.

Here's a couple of facts:

a) The last time a far left Labour party lost an election was in 1983, and it took Labour 15 years to recover.

b) The most successful Labour leader in the parties history is (Centre left) Blair.
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Red Rackham wrote:I agree, it seems the Labour leadership contest is Starmers to lose. Bit sad really, Labour never learn from past mistakes do they. The two contenders who were most likely to take over from Corbyn were always going to be Starmer or RLB, neither of whom are moderate or centre left. Starmer is a member of the Haldane Society of Socialist Lawyers, as was left wing lawyer Phil Shiner who was struck off for fabricating evidence against British soldiers in Iraq.

RLB is Corbyns and Momentums choice because she is an extreme lefty, and it makes me wonder whether diehard lefties remember things like Michael Foot, Derek Hatton and Militant Tendency. It seems Momentum aren't bothered or don't understand that they are making it easy for Boris.

Here's a couple of facts:

a) The last time a far left Labour party lost an election was in 1983, and it took Labour 15 years to recover.

b) The most successful Labour leader in the parties history is (Centre left) Blair.

Starmer puts on a good show. He is not Blair but as close as you can get to one nowadays. He will move the party closer to the centre by sacrificing Corbyns anti-westernism and some but not all socialist economic stances while still remaining socially progressive. Long story short, he probably won't be enough to unseat the Tories in 1 election unless they fuck up big time. The only problem with him is that he seems to honest.
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JohnRawls wrote:Starmer puts on a good show. He is not Blair but as close as you can get to one nowadays. He will move the party closer to the centre by sacrificing Corbyns anti-westernism and some but not all socialist economic stances while still remaining socially progressive. Long story short, he probably won't be enough to unseat the Tories in 1 election unless they fuck up big time. The only problem with him is that he seems to honest.


Starmers biggest problem are the skeletons in his locker that, if he is elected, will come back to haunt him. Since before the referendum he has been the leading pro EU voice on the opposition benches who demanded no deal was taken off the table thereby tying the governments hands, and he has always demanded a second referendum. I think any of the current Labour leadership hopefuls would struggle to convince five million Labour voters who voted to leave the EU then voted for Boris, to come back to Labour.
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Red Rackham wrote:Starmers biggest problem are the skeletons in his locker that, if he is elected, will come back to haunt him. Since before the referendum he has been the leading pro EU voice on the opposition benches who demanded no deal was taken off the table thereby tying the governments hands, and he has always demanded a second referendum. I think any of the current Labour leadership hopefuls would struggle to convince five million Labour voters who voted to leave the EU then voted for Boris, to come back to Labour.


Thats fine. Brexit split is 55-45 in favour of remain so the whole fact that Brexit wasn't cancelled is a question of Corbyn being a dimwit along with the Liberal Democrats while Farange basically sacrificed his party and gave almost all the votes to Boris. I was expecting Farange to do this to a degree but not to such extent. I also considered Lib Dems and Labour to be more pragmatic here.

Tories would have lost big time if Lib Dems joined Labour in the same kind of deal that Tories got from Brexit party.

Long story short it is not a big problem. Any position you take on Brexit is harmful to both Tories and Labour. The stupidity of this is that Boris understands this while Corbyn was a dimwit. Corbyn should have chosen remain but he didn't. There is no middle ground or appeasing both sides in the Brexit question.
#15060873
The most successful Labour leader in the parties history is (Centre left) Blair.

The most successful Labour leader in the party's history is (Centre right Thatcherite bastard) Blair.

"We are intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich" – Peter Mandelson.


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ingliz wrote:The most successful Labour leader in the party's history is (Centre right Thatcherite bastard) Blair.

"We are intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich" – Peter Mandelson.


:lol:


What is wrong with people getting rich if other people don't suffer because of it? You are trying to wrap this up as if simply people getting rich is a problem. :eh:
#15060882
JohnRawls wrote:Thats fine. Brexit split is 55-45 in favour of remain so the whole fact that Brexit wasn't cancelled is a question of Corbyn being a dimwit along with the Liberal Democrats while Farange basically sacrificed his party and gave almost all the votes to Boris. I was expecting Farange to do this to a degree but not to such extent. I also considered Lib Dems and Labour to be more pragmatic here.

Tories would have lost big time if Lib Dems joined Labour in the same kind of deal that Tories got from Brexit party.

Long story short it is not a big problem. Any position you take on Brexit is harmful to both Tories and Labour. The stupidity of this is that Boris understands this while Corbyn was a dimwit. Corbyn should have chosen remain but he didn't. There is no middle ground or appeasing both sides in the Brexit question.


The Brexit split was not 55 to 45 in favour of remain! Where on earth did you get that from?

Across the UK it was 52 to 48 in favour of leaving, but in England where 90% of the British electorate live it was 53.5 to 46.5 in favour of leaving. It doesn't matter how you try to massage the numbers, the bottom line is, at the lest election Labour and the LibDems were thrashed because they wanted to ignore the biggest public vote in British history and remain in the EU, which is why 5 million Labour supporters voted for Boris. And here's a prediction, the next election will be another Brexit election because regardless of the wishes of the majority, libs & lefties are inherently pro EU, which is great news for the Tories.
#15060883
JohnRawls wrote:people getting rich

Moderately wealthy is fine (Nobody is saying everyone's equal under socialism) but "filthy rich" is a definite no-no in my book.

people don't suffer because of it

People are suffering because of it.


:lol:
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ingliz wrote:The most successful Labour leader in the party's history is (Centre right Thatcherite bastard) Blair.

"We are intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich" – Peter Mandelson.

:lol:


Are you aware that Starmers Wiki page was recently edited to remove any reference to him being a millionaire?

It seems it's OK to be a left wing socialist millionaire, as long as the hoi polloi don't know about it.

Did you ever read Animal Farm?..
#15060886
Red Rackham wrote:The Brexit split was not 55 to 45 in favour of remain! Where on earth did you get that from?

Across the UK it was 52 to 48 in favour of leaving, but in England where 90% of the British electorate live it was 53.5 to 46.5 in favour of leaving. It doesn't matter how you try to massage the numbers, the bottom line is, at the lest election Labour and the LibDems were thrashed because they wanted to ignore the biggest public vote in British history and remain in the EU, which is why 5 million Labour supporters voted for Boris. And here's a prediction, the next election will be another Brexit election because regardless of the wishes of the majority, libs & lefties are inherently pro EU, which is great news for the Tories.


Lib Dems got trashed because they didn't ally themselves with Labour. Labour got trashed because of Corbyn, severely left leaning policies and not allying themselves with Lib Dems.

The numbers have been steady for the last year or so regarding this. 55 to 45 in favour of remain if you discount the undecided. One poll can be wrong but hundreds if not thousands of polls over the last 2 years are outside of margin of error. The only undecided thing here is that those 55 to 45 ratios usually vary a bit. But the trend has been steady for a long time now: remain is ahead of leave for around 2 years now.
#15060887
ingliz wrote:Moderately wealthy is fine (Nobody is saying everyone's equal under socialism) but "filthy rich" is a definite no-no in my book.


People are suffering because of it.


:lol:


See here is the problem. You seem to think that there is no outcome where being filthy rich won't hurt anybody. Liberalism(At least the modern versions of it) tries to reach a point where people can be filthy rich without hurting anybody. (It is still work in progress) So socialism is kinda focused on making sure people are not filthy rich and redistributing. There are benefits in the socialist solution but there is a large counter argument of it not being fully fair and against principles of freedom.
#15060889
Red Rackham wrote:the bottom line is, at the lest election Labour and the LibDems were thrashed because they wanted to ignore the biggest public vote in British history and remain in the EU,

No the reason they ended up where they are is that their number one priority was to keep up the flow of non European immigration. Yes, they wanted to keep an open door to European immigration, but non European immigration is just a higher priority. Take Tony Blair, that so many lefties laughably try and write off as centre right. Yes, yes, he most certainly wanted to flood Britain with workers from Poland, Czech and Hungry etc but his proudest achievement was flooding the country with Somalis.

Tony Blair this supposed, right-winger was committed to changing Britain irrevocably, for ever. Tony Blair was a committed Cultural Marxist, the fact that he liked to cuddle up with rich business men, royalty and celebrities doesn't change this fact. Many Eastern European workers would return home later to create families. Many more took umbrage at the insults of the Brexiteers and went back, or were deterred by Brexit from coming in the first place. This wasn't a problem for the Somalis, the Moroccans or the Nigerian Muslims. They're not put off by being unwelcome. They won't go back "home".

The last election was a great triumph for the Conservative party. The last election was a great triumph for three skilled leaders, Cameron, May and Boris, who all put party before country. The only difference between Boris and the other two, was Boris's willingness to put himself before party. The last election was a victory for the Tory party, but it was also a great victory for Cultural Marxism. The fact that unconcealed and unrepentant IRA supporters like Claire Fox and Brendan O'Neil, people who used to go on demos, chanting over and over again "What are we for? The open door. What do we hate the racist state", should be enough to tell us that Brexit was utterly devoid of anti-Marxist content.
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