Has this outbreak had any impact on diminishing the Hong Kong protests I wonder?
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ness31 wrote:Has this outbreak had any impact on diminishing the Hong Kong protests I wonder?
ness31 wrote:Yeeeah. I’m not sure if I’m a Chinese apologist or not :?:
Rancid wrote:What I meant to say is, that it's pretty clear I am NOT an extreme China hater.
Atlantis wrote:I'm not an extreme China hater either, but I think the Chinese authorities deserve every bit of shit that's been thrown at them. It's a totalitarian regime that systematically and ruthlessly suppresses any information and opinion that doesn't suite its agenda.
Rancid wrote:I agree.
Prof Neil Ferguson, a public health expert at Imperial College, said his “best guess” was that there were 100,000 affected by the virus even though there are only 2,000 confirmed cases so far, mostly in the city of Wuhan in China where the virus first appeared.
Ferguson, whose team have been modelling the disease for the World Health Organization, said they estimated the virus had a reproductive rate of 2.5-3, meaning that each person infected would potentially transmit it to up to three others.
“My best guess now is perhaps 100,000 cases right now,” he said, although it could be between 30,000 and 200,000. “Almost certainly many tens of thousands of people are infected.”
Drlee wrote:Here is an example of the dilemma facing public health officials.
We seem to know now that a person exposed to this virus could be contagious for up to 14 days prior to exhibiting symptoms.
We know there is a person at Arizona State University who has tested positive for Novel Corona virus 2019. He had just returned from Wuhan.
So how many people did he expose? Probably three aircraft, a shit ton for friends, his school mates. What we don't know is just how contagious this virus is.
So we, 120 miles away have a health clinic for homeless people. It is the height of flu season. What do we do?
Ask these questions of yourself and imagine you are one of my fellow workers in the clinic.
1. This is a charity clinic. Should we risk our lives going there to help people knowing that, as best we can tell, the risk is not great at this point?
2. Should we be a gathering place for sick people?
3. When do we refer someone with the symptoms of flu? It is the height of the flu season.
4. What should we tell the 300 or so homeless people who show up at our project?
5. Is it time for personal safety precautions like masks and face guards?
Now a comment for our shit for brains friends who, with no medical reason to do it, refuse to get flu shots. We are in the height of the flu season and now we have the potential for an infection that mocks the flu and "may" be far more dangerous. Your addle headed refusal to take precautions against the flu have complicated matters considerably. Yes I get that sometimes the vaccines "miss". But I also know that they are not worthless whenever they do. Now, just when we may need the resources for a new threat we have you folks clogging the emergency rooms and taking the respirators.
Treatment of Corona Virus. This is not a medical opinion. It is an observation.
If we have a major outbreak of flu or corona virus we need respirators. We do not have nearly as many of them as we need on the best of days. Just make a guess at how many the average hospital has. See what I mean. And they are the lifesaver. (With flu we have drugs that can, if given early, make the flu less severe. Nothing like that with CV.)
So once the respirators are gone, there is little we can do to help the victims of CV. We can give them breathing treatments to open them up and that can help but it can also be done at home. That is if you have a nebulizer at home. Albuterol works OK for some people. Hospitals can keep people hydrated with IV fluids but that is far more complicated than it seems and, though even some doctors do not know this, too much fluid replacement in pneumonia patients.......
So here is how you will likely get treated if there is a pandemic.
You will be told to stay home. Here is the treatment CDC is posting for treating novel corona virus:
1. take pain and fever medications (Caution: do not give Aspirin to children)
2. use a room humidifier or take a hot shower to help ease a sore throat and cough.
There you are. Shelter at home and hope you can ride it out. If you get too bad go to the hospital where they can give you......ahhh....well......we'll see.
I am not saying don't go to the hospital. Far from it. I am just putting into perspective what China is facing right now and what there is some possibility that many of us might face soon.
This one seems to be killing old sick people more. Flu often kills robust, young people. The 1918 flu did a number on 18-40 year olds. Oftentimes older people have some remaining immunity to flu. Don't count on it though.
If it sounds like I might be mixing up these two diseases I am doing it for a reason. And that is to show how devilishly difficult this situation is. And to say get a fucking flu shot. Get one. If you are one of the very rare people whose doctor has said you should not get one then those of us to are getting one are helping to protect you and those of us who don't get one appear to not give a shit about your health.
Can you get the flu if you have had the shot? Yes.
1. A 2017 study showed that influenza vaccination reduced deaths, intensive care unit (ICU) admissions, ICU length of stay, and overall duration of hospitalization among hospitalized influenza patients.
2. Another study in 2018 showed that a vaccinated adult who was hospitalized with influenza was 59 percent less likely to be admitted to the Intensive Care Unit than someone who had not been vaccinated. Among adults in the ICU with influenza, vaccinated patients on average spent 4 fewer days in the hospital than those who were not vaccinated.
At least call your doctor and ask. It won't kill you.....
Have a nice day.
Saeko wrote:Mein Gott!
Patrickov wrote:I heard a different conspiracy theory.
1. China at first intended to let the patients come to Hong Kong for medical treatment, because the Mainland medical system cannot cope with the outbreak. A to-be-completed public housing estate (close to many others where many people live) was designated as a camp for these patients.
2. The Hong Kong protests in the past year revealed that, (a) Hongkongers do not trust Mainlanders anymore, and, (b) most charities, including the Red Cross and Médecins sans frontières, turned a blind eye on the perils suffered by Hong Kong protesters.
3. Also, many Mainlanders had been arrogant during the protests, claiming that they didn't need Hong Kong. This epidemic proved otherwise.
4. The result of combination of hypocrisy (in 2) and arrogance (in 3) made people all over the world, especially Hongkongers, no longer willing to give a helping hand.
5. Point 4 is why China had resorted to closing down cities -- they literally have no choice but to lock potential patients up until death, very much like how flu chickens are treated.
Patrickov wrote:Just want to supplement on points 1 and 4.
Last night, Molotov Cocktails were thrown at the public housing estate intended for Mainland patients.
JohnRawls wrote:Not to be a jackass but the Red Cross and Médecins sans frontières are not designed nor responsible for helping protesters/treating protesters. Those organisations have different objectives. Also it is counter produce to insert themselves in to political struggles because that will lead to less support and less funding long term since being seen political is pretty bad.
JohnRawls wrote:As for the molotovs, that is pretty indecent. HK is a part of China, an oppressed part of China but still a part of China. So there needs to be some solidarity between HK and the mainland. Disease is apolitical, the people suffering from it are not suffering from it because they want to nor are they to undermine HK or anything like that. They need help and you can provide help that should be looked at in that manner.
Ter wrote:At least I am happy that JohnRawls's anus has also puckered up, he no longer dismisses the worry of the people.
Ter wrote:Good post, @JohnRawls
What bothers me is that people can be infected for an unknown number of days before symptoms appear and they can shed the virus before that time.
In other words, the health screening in the airports are utterly useless.
Their only method to detect infected people is by measuring their temperature and by counting on the honesty of the people to report that they are not feeling well.
And many countries are in the process of repatriating their nationals from the affected areas. Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
Five million people have left Wuhan before they imposed exit restrictions.
We will see.
At least I am happy that JohnRawls's anus has also puckered up, he no longer dismisses the worry of the people.
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