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Donald wrote:I think she's an inspiration. For now at least.

I saw her on commercial media between SUV ads.

She said nothing about all the real environmental activists who get murdered by the West's corporate vassals.

I think Western "adults" are being Harvey Weinstein-ed by pimp media.
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@QatzelOk, I think she has spoken out about activists in the global south and has criticized how the media ignores them. You're right though that she's being recuperated by Western media, but part of the motivation for doing so is to control her so that she stays in the sanitary world of corporate philanthropy, NGOs and colour revolutions. I don't think she will sell out though, she comes off as someone who is very humbled by the duties and responsibilities that fate has foisted upon her.
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Greta's Facebook page is run by her father and some UN global warming person from India :lol:

Doesn't the story go that her parents have nothing to do with Greta's activism? That they told her that she had to go and do this on her own and whatnot?

I bet she doesn't write any of her posts on Twitter either, and why should she even be allowed it? She is now a brand name and the face of a questionable global movement that is under constant scrutiny. What if she was having a bad day and publicly or even privately popped off at some random troll in an embarrassing manner? It would damage the credibility of the movement.

To be fair I don't think very many of these politicians, entertainers and public figures run their own social media accounts, that includes Trump himself. They likely have teams in place to control spam, offensive/porn posts, trolling etc so this isn't huge news to any thinking person but it is certainly would be news to her 14 year old female fan base.

Facebook Glitch Reveals Greta Thunburg's Father Posting As Teenage Climate Activist

A Thursday evening software update at Facebook accidentally allowed anyone to view exactly who is posting under the accounts of public figures, businesses and other entities, according to Wired.

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The result? For starters, some 3 million followers of teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg have been reading posts written by her father, Svante Thunberg, and a climate activist in India who serves as a delegate at the UN's Climate Change organization, Adarsh Prathap. Thunberg, Inc. claims Greta is still the one writing the content.

Greta, Inc. explained this in a Saturday Facebook post purporting to be the young climate activist.

"Some people have been asking who manages this page. First of all, since last spring I only use Facebook to repost what I write on my Twitter and Instagram accounts," reads the post, in which 'she' says she tried Facebook "early on," but didn't like it, so she uses "my father Svantes account to repost content."

"The rest that is shared on Facebook is reposted from Twitter and Instagram by the guy who founded the Greta Thunberg Facebook page long before I knew it existed. His name is Adarsh Prathap and he lives in India. Since a lot of people thought it was my official page in the beginning I asked if I could co-manage it and he said yes."

Greta claims to have written all the content posted by her father and Prathap.

In other words, "of course it's not me silly - you should have known I just 'co-manage' the fan page."

Except - by all outward appearances it appeared to be her page alone. Facebook's 'page transparency' shows Greta as the confirmed owner - with the only clue suggesting she might have help being a page manager located in India.

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maz wrote:Greta's Facebook page is run by her father and some UN global warming person from India :lol:

Doesn't the story go that her parents have nothing to do with Greta's activism? That they told her that she had to go and do this on her own and whatnot?

I bet she doesn't write any of her posts on Twitter either, and why should she even be allowed it? She is now a brand name and the face of a questionable global movement that is under constant scrutiny. What if she was having a bad day and publicly or even privately popped off at some random troll in an embarrassing manner? It would damage the credibility of the movement.

To be fair I don't think very many of these politicians, entertainers and public figures run their own social media accounts, that includes Trump himself. They likely have teams in place to control spam, offensive/porn posts, trolling etc so this isn't huge news to any thinking person but it is certainly would be news to her 14 year old female fan base.


Maz, as a representative of the far right, can you explain why the far right doesn't like global warming movements? I mean they do not fall in to the classical left or right divide, so what is your bief with it? (If you are going to say its Soros sponsored then i am not sure you understand how this works. Memes aside, Soros has no reason to shoot himself in the foot)
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JohnRawls wrote:Maz, as a representative of the far right, can you explain why the far right doesn't like global warming movements? I mean they do not fall in to the classical left or right divide, so what is your bief with it? (If you are going to say its Soros sponsored then i am not sure you understand how this works. Memes aside, Soros has no reason to shoot himself in the foot)


You don't think that global warming movements fall alongside the far left divide? I can't speak for the entirety of the far right, but the reason some may oppose them is because they are ideologically opposed to anything far left.

I found this old post from a few months ago. I guess we can assume that her father, who is behind her social media accounts or the Indian guy wrote this?

Everyone needs to read Greta Thunberg's responses to the rumors and lies about her

"Many people love to spread rumors saying that I have people 'behind me' or that I'm being 'paid' or 'used' to do what I'm doing. But there is no one 'behind' me except for myself. My parents were as far from climate activists as possible before I made them aware of the situation.

I am not part of any organization. I sometimes support and cooperate with several NGOs that work with the climate and environment. But I am absolutely independent and I only represent myself. And I do what I do completely for free, I have not received any money or any promise of future payments in any form at all. And nor has anyone linked to me or my family done so.

And of course it will stay this way. I have not met one single climate activist who is fighting for the climate for money. That idea is completely absurd.

Furthermore I only travel with permission from my school and my parents pay for tickets and accommodations.
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maz wrote:You don't think that global warming movements fall alongside the far left divide? I can't speak for the entirety of the far right, but the reason some may oppose them is because they are ideologically opposed to anything far left.

I found this old post from a few months ago. I guess we can assume that her father, who is behind her social media accounts or the Indian guy wrote this?

Everyone needs to read Greta Thunberg's responses to the rumors and lies about her


I could never pin down climate stuff especially climate change to the right or left. It has nothing to do with traditional values or "progresivism" of sorts. Even on the change/reactionary scale some of the stuff that climate change people suggest is pretty reactionary. (I guess Qatz is an example who wants to go back to pre-industrialisation and living in caves). It is just one of those issues that doesn't fall anywhere on the scale of left, right, libertarianism, authoriaterianism etc.

In a sense, depending how accurate the predictions are and how wide spread global warming will have an effect, a lot of people will suffer irrelevant of ideology. Basically if your left you might die because of this or if you are right, you might die because of this.

May be the climate laws are a bit statist but that is not the only alternative. It is not like the private business is not doing anything on its end to make money on this and the government uses classical liberal measures to support them.

I think the alt-right/right needs to find its own gig within the global warming discussion. ( Denying it is kinda not a gig, its stupid by now )
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maz wrote:Greta's Facebook page is run by her father and some UN global warming person from India :lol:

I thought I read that they sold her page to Time-Warner-Vivendi in exchange for the "Person of the Year" branding campaign.

Pants-of-dog wrote:So what is the argument?

Greta Thunberg gets help from others so anthropogenic climate change theory is wrong?

Greta's branding does nothing to prove or disprove any science. She's just a cute Swede who lucked into media stardom because she had the right schtick going (young, mixed up, Scandinavian).

What is YOUR argument? That she's so cute and endearing that now people will stop climate change?
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Greta Thunberg to trademark 'Fridays for Future'

limate change activist Greta Thunberg says she is trademarking her name and the #FridaysForFuture movement to stop people from impersonating her.

In 2018, Ms Thunberg's school strike grew into a global movement that became known as #FridaysForFuture.

Millions of people in countries such as Australia, Ghana, Germany and the UK have taken part in the protests.

She said on Instagram that people had tried to sell products and collect money in the movement's name.

"My name and the #Fridaysforfuture movement are constantly being used for commercial purposes without any consent whatsoever," the 17 year old said.
Ms Thunberg has also applied to trademark Skolstrejk för klimatet (school strike for climate), the phrase used on her protest sign that she has carried around the world to #FridaysForFuture protests.

She added that people had tried to impersonate her "in order to communicate with high profile people, politicians, media and artists".

Ms Thunberg also announced she has set up a non-profit foundation to handle the financial side of #FridaysForFuture.

It will manage money raised from donations and book royalties.

"The foundation's aim will be to promote ecological, climatic and social sustainability as well as mental health," she told her Instagram followers.

Ms Thunberg has become a strong voice for action on climate change. However, her message on tackling rising temperatures has not been well received by everyone.

Earlier this month US Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin told the teenager to go away and study economics before lecturing investors.

Last December she was named Time Magazine's Person of the Year.


I wonder if her father and that Indian delegate from India run Greta's Instagram accounts and write her posts for her like they do on Facebook.

How many teenagers know about trademarks, branding, marketing etc?
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@maz is just making the same ad hominem and doubke standard as @Kaiserschmarrn in the OP:

If something is associated with making money in any way, it us immediately so suspect that it can be dismissed.....unless it is fossil fuels financing lobbyists and scientists to support the status quo in terms of fossil fuel use.
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Prosthetic Conscience wrote:Pretty much all of them. They go to school. They live in the modern world. They're teenagers, not five year olds. Were you extremely sheltered as a teenager - Amish or something?


Greta's father certainly knows about branding, marketing and making money since he is running her social media accounts. If you recall, the official media pro-Greta propaganda was that her parents allegedly objected to her doing activism. Remember?

Sitting back and collecting shekels while your daughter is being invited to whine to world leaders about changing the weather is a lot better gig than being a former entertainer or whatever they were doing before.

I guess they either figured out this was a plumb gig, or they were in on it all of the time.

Greta's father sceptical about her activism

STOCKHOLM:
Svante Thunberg, father of eco-warrior Greta Thunberg, thinks his daughter is happier being an activist but admitted in an interview he had reservations about her taking up the struggle.

Speaking to the BBC, the 50-year-old actor-turned-producer said he and Greta’s mother — opera singer Malena Ernman — originally objected to their daughter’s decision to become a climate activist.
“Obviously we thought it was a bad idea, putting herself out there with all the hate on social media,” he said.

Greta, described as a shy 16-year-old, has found herself in the role of spokesperson for a generation haunted by climate change after she started sitting outside the Swedish parliament in August 2018 with her “School Strike for the Climate” sign.

Instantly recognisable with her long braids and impish looks, she has become the face of youth concerns over climate change, inspiring millions and being invited to address the United Nations climate summit.

Greta’s family realised just how much the existential threat of climate change weighed on her when she became depressed at age 11.

She stopped eating, started missing school and even stopped talking.

Despite his initial apprehension Svante also said he thought it was clear his daughter was much happier since taking up activism.

Greta has also faced severe criticism and been subjected to a swarm of online conspiracy theory.

Some have claimed she is a puppet of doomsayers, or paid by the “green lobby”.

But her father said she was prepared for the “hate” she would receive even before she started her protest.

“She knew exactly what she was doing and I think quite frankly she’s very surprised that she has been so well received,” he told the BBC.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:@maz is just making the same ad hominem and doubke standard as @Kaiserschmarrn in the OP:

If something is associated with making money in any way, it us immediately so suspect that it can be dismissed.....unless it is fossil fuels financing lobbyists and scientists to support the status quo in terms of fossil fuel use.

I don't think I ever said that industry financing automatically means something can be dismissed, but from the reaction to this thread it seems I did hit a nerve with pointing it out. That's perhaps not surprising, as left wingers think profiting from something like climate change or health is highly immoral and that doesn't fit into their idea of their own causes being pure and altruistic.

JohnRawls wrote:Maz, as a representative of the far right, can you explain why the far right doesn't like global warming movements? I mean they do not fall in to the classical left or right divide, so what is your bief with it? (If you are going to say its Soros sponsored then i am not sure you understand how this works. Memes aside, Soros has no reason to shoot himself in the foot)

Some of the opposition is surely down to the anti-capitalist sentiment of many proponents and the association with extreme progressive causes, e.g. AOC's green new deal and in Thunberg's case the "climate justice" movement (I've linked to this earlier in this thread).

Personally, I make a distinction between environmentalism, which is often highly irrational (e.g. intensely anti-nuclear power) bordering on the spiritual, and conservationism, which is more rational and centres on humanity. My view is that climate change has been hijacked by environmentalists.
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Kaiserschmarrn wrote:@Pants-of-dog Why does it need to have a moral dimension?


If you do not want to say if it is hood or bad, then can you explain why it is noteworthy or worth discussing the fact that Thunberg is operating in a more or less capitalist system?
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