- 14 Feb 2020 13:42
#15067163
Okay, thanks for this, SC -- I do recall hearing about this decades ago, when I was initially politicized, around school.
So we can see that historically-revolutionary events can't take place in a geopolitical vacuum -- Germany benefitted from (Bolshevik) Russia's withdrawal from World War I, but at least the nascent Bolshevik Revolution didn't have to participate in a global-bourgeois world war.
Aside from this settling of material balances I don't see any extended 'indebtedness', on the part of the Bolsheviks, to Germany, going-forward. The revolution remained the workers' and Bolsheviks' own, except for the waves of internal and foreign counterrevolutionary interventions and destruction to the economy.
---
You're being *contradictory* again -- if 'the revolution had occurred several months earlier' (which it had), then the Bolshevik Russia was a *revolutionary* one, and *not* a tsarist one, so there could not *be* a putsch / coup-d'etat, because there was no monarch to displace at that point.
ckaihatsu wrote:
I've heard this 'German funding' allegation before, but no one's been able to provide any references for it -- it's probably some misinformation that you've absorbed and are perpetuating.
SolarCross wrote:
https://www.dw.com/en/how-germany-got-t ... a-41195312
The German chartered train was provided by Kaiser Wilhelm II with the aim of furthering the Russian Revolution. In one of the wagons sat none other than Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, better known as Lenin. With German help, Lenin left his exile in Switzerland and, a week later, reached his destination: Petrograd, which would later be renamed to Leningrad then changed back to today's Saint Petersburg.
https://www.dw.com/en/how-germany-got-t ... a-41195312
Okay, thanks for this, SC -- I do recall hearing about this decades ago, when I was initially politicized, around school.
So we can see that historically-revolutionary events can't take place in a geopolitical vacuum -- Germany benefitted from (Bolshevik) Russia's withdrawal from World War I, but at least the nascent Bolshevik Revolution didn't have to participate in a global-bourgeois world war.
Aside from this settling of material balances I don't see any extended 'indebtedness', on the part of the Bolsheviks, to Germany, going-forward. The revolution remained the workers' and Bolsheviks' own, except for the waves of internal and foreign counterrevolutionary interventions and destruction to the economy.
---
Truth To Power wrote:
The revolution had occurred several months earlier. What Lenin paid foreign gold for was a putsch.
You're being *contradictory* again -- if 'the revolution had occurred several months earlier' (which it had), then the Bolshevik Russia was a *revolutionary* one, and *not* a tsarist one, so there could not *be* a putsch / coup-d'etat, because there was no monarch to displace at that point.