That's a debate between the possible and the probable. I'm more inclined to talk about what is likely to happen.
Blackjack, you think something is likely based on what? Again, you think I have not noticed you never say or write about what you think should happen in American society after the hypothetical fall of the Republican and the Democratic party? After Trump has taken over and the whole thing collapses and so on and so forth? What happens next? I am interested in your perspective BJ because I am not someone with bad intuitions and bad analysis on others. No, Senor not me. You avoid that shit a lot. I wonder why? I can hypothesize, but in the end? If you never talk about it? That says a lot BJ. I never hide my agenda. I am open about it because I think it is the solution. That is what one wants in politics. Solutions. Why talk about problems that exist in society that have a political attachment to it--if the solutions are never presented? It is just bitching and complaining and not doing anything productive Relampaguito.
I'm not saying people should be reptilian. I'm just echoing Rapaille's assertion that the reptilian brain always wins. I don't think it should. That's one of the reasons I think the American left aren't much better than animals--constantly pushing hedonism as a value system. You rant on about the drugs, etc. Who has been pushing that lifestyle for the last 60 years in the United States? Pretty much the American left and their secular hedonism. Not unlike 19th Century Romanticism, today's left is also obsessed with emotions.
I don't care about liberals and especially American liberals and their druggy, free for all love culture. That has nothing to do with me BJ. I don't care how you are exposed to them day and night. I don't go for drugs, libertine styles of living life with irresponsibilities. I have an internal value system that I have chosen. My sister's rotten value system she chose for herself. I chose mine and it is not about free sex with all of the world, and irresponsible shit. My entire life has been about not only cleaning up my own mess but other people's messes. Leaving their kids to eat ice for dinner because they are on drug binges because they internalized a bunch of racist shit and have self loathing that they unload on their defenseless 3 year old sons. I clean up those people's psychological and emotional messes. I am not the left you hate so much. Maybe you see the entire left as animals? If that is the case? I am not going to be debating with someone who fails to see my humanity. What for? It is a waste of my time. And energy. I don't give a shit about what the liberal lefties you think are bringing low moral value to society are about? It has nothing to do with me. At all. Just like a Sinaloan drug dealer has nothing to do with ME. The drug dealer who is white in Ohio and killing people for profit, is a person who is doing it for the money and doesn't think beyond that narrow view. The Mexican Sinaloan one is doing the same thing. One is Mexican and one is American. Both are humans dealing drugs. They have nothing to do with me. You don't seem to get that the racism starts with making me responsible for being Puerto Rican, or Latin American and being Spanish speaking as having to deal with the actions or the thoughts of these people who are not the people who reflect my life values. You are doing that Relampaguito. You brought that shit into this debate about propaganda. You think I don't know why you do that? You got the infection my man....of the stereotypes and the bullshit. And it would serve you well to start dealing with it because when I first started debating you? You started with general statements about you having recommendations from your employer of getting computer engineers, coders from minority backgrounds to go and work....and there are so few that apply because why? The 'race' doesn't produce them? I told you.....UPR Mayaguez produces them so does Rio Piedras....thousands a year are produced over time. It has nothing to do with genes....only. It has to do with socialism and affordability. @Rancid is of Dominican background. Latino and also part African and from regular Santo Domingo stock. Lol. He did the high tech thing....if he could do it? With the 'wrong'genes then other can too...it has more to do with who has access to the right education, and supports for that...etc. than theories about 'Hispanics'don't have what it takes. It is BULLSHIT BJ. You don't think I know you blow off stuff that is hiding a very deeply discriminatory and resentful underbelly of shit you have your subconscious 'reptilian' fear based brain of yours.....You then say you don't want it to win? Yes you do, if you continue to hold on to those shitty thoughts BJ! What are you doing to change that mentality you got? If you don't want the reptilian to win? Please....don't insult me BJ. In social work I
have dealt with enough drug addicts and people making bad personal choices to last me a lifetime. People telling me bullshit stories about how they are ripe for change. I know exactly how people act when they want CHANGE. For real. Not lip service. It is very predictable. Lol. Ay Relampaguito...stop running from yourself. Do something to be transparent in your desires and your agenda. Say what you mean and mean what you say!
You used "love" for differences--an appeal to emotion. I simply pointed out some differences that are horrifying to many people. You don't seem to love political views that aren't consonant with yours. You used "comfortable" with these differences. I'm simply inquiring about why you would be comfortable with people who might see you as worth less than their livestock, because you are a woman? It's not particularly self-serving to find comfort in that sort of thing.
You need to read Erich Fromm. Because if you did read him? All these false narratives about appeals to emotion and the meaning of human suffering and the reason for differences would be clear to you. But you never read him and don't do that and yet hope to understand what my perspective is about? You don't BJ. Don't you get it BJ? Whether you are in an Arab society, a sexist society, a society that is of extreme prejudice? It is all HUMAN. All of it. Find out why humans are being super sexist and or racist or class conscious! Find the reasons. Because unlike you--I don't sit here and say to myself....I feel uncomfortable with this culture. They think I am an animal. I am not human. Because I am a female. Oh, I guess I got to run....away from a human culture that is terrible....No, BJ. Let me do this thing again. People adapt to their conditions. Viktor Frankl talked about it in "Man's Search for Meaning" and many others talk about it in many books about trying to figure out why genocides occur or why people commit suicide en masse or are doing incredibly puzzling things that defy logic in other people's civilizations or societies? WHY? That is what my profession is about. Can I ask you why you think that the lack of respect for women is inherent in such places? Do you agree with that shit BJ? As much as you spout about feminists and liberals and women wanting more....and you being very very worried about all that? Do you think women are the same as men? Or have you been debating and arguing with an inferior person all this time in your own head? Lol. Do you see how incredibly damaging all this is?
Come on now. You weren't around for the Spanish-American War. Imperialism is a double-edged sword. The modern technology of the imperialists has dramatically cut infant mortality, for example. No doubt you received vaccinations, etc. as a child. I'm fine with cutting Puerto Rico loose to be an independent country. No, I don't know how it "feels," but I have plenty of Irish relatives that hate the British for the same sort of thing, but readily traded their hard won sovereignty to the EU for some Euro dosh. The reptilian brain always wins.
You still don't get it do you? No, you don't get it at all. I doubt you ever will. When you want to talk to me about some complexity about 'loyalties'and why nationalistic thinkers like you are BJ don't get it at all? Start a thread with the title "Tainari I want to understand internationalism, and my Irish relatives letting the reptilian take over by the British.."You don't fool me BJ. You don't give a shit about Puerto Rico and Puerto Rican political status. You never did. Part of the lack of corazon. Lol. You are no Jack Delano for sure.
We don't NEED electricity. Human societies have only had electricity for the better part of 100 years. Modern running water and sewage are attributes of these imperial societies you loath. Before these systems, sewage was everywhere. That's still the case in some parts of the third world.
BJ, all human interactions whether they be imperialist or not are two way streets. The imperialists seek something from the colonial societies and the colonial societies interact with the imperial. I loathe the fact that they disrespect and try to control with fear and force and horrifically damaging coercion the colonized groups. Didn't you see "Spartacus"? It created terrible resentments. Judea and the story of the Passion of Jesus Christ is partly a story of rebellion and the Roman Empire. How could the old polytheistic Empire wind up being çonquered by a minority group's religion? The Jews. It has to with the complexity of human interaction. You have this view of might is right. The winner takes all and there are no influences going in two directions with human beings and their societies. That is not the case. Your interpretations of history lack depth BJ.
A cab driver in Cuba typically makes more money than a Cuban neurosurgeon. You may see that as equitable, but I think it puts socialist societies at high risk.
No, BJ the problem is that pro capitalist societies cry like spoilt children when they lose their little playgrounds and playthings and want revenge and to make sure many don't get ahead in the world if they don't play by the ones with the big guns rules. One thing I can tell you...the Cubans have a lot of education and empty bank accounts. The Americans got a lot of money and morons who think they can use guns as the only way to impose their will on the world....in the end? Being wealthy is not the reason for humanity's existence BJ. Despite all the messages in the USA society saying that it is. Lol. You don't want to hear the convos I have had with Cubans here...about what they think about Mexican society where they get very little formal educations and yet they think by having more money somehow they are better....it is not much different than the moronic American consumers who think their wealth makes them better human beings. Lol. Poverty doesn't make you better BJ, but neither does being rich. I hope you understand what I mean by that.
I don't believe I ever said any such thing. I was pointing out what Charles Murray raised in the Bell Curve. He turned out to be right. Rather than intelligently discussing his hypothesis, the media and many in academia simply slammed him as being a racist. He wrote "Coming Apart" to restate the hypothesis among whites so that there was simply no racial controversy in question--again showing the income distribution correlating highly with IQ. In many respects, that effect is amplified in a knowledge-based economy. So the amplitude of that difference is exaggerated now.
You should study this guy...a Dutch based researcher on poverty and IQ and so on....because your theories are false BJ. The video is called:
Poverty isn't a lack of character its a lack of cash by Rutger Bergman:
The Cubans got a lack of cash. Lol. Not intelligence, not character, not because a lot of Cubans are black...no...it has to do with who controls the cash and why it aint flowing into the Cuban doctor's pockets? Is it because Castro died in 2016 and he alone made it stop? Is it that the USA government put an embargo on Cuban currency and the bankers don't allow Cubans to have open trade with the entire world without sanctions because their trumped up need to control the world includes making sure society doesn't work unless it is a strictly capitalist based model that they control? Hmmm. There I think the Americans are into the reptilian brain for sure with that shit. I do. If socialism sucks? Let it go without any interferences. See where it goes? Or is it such a terrible threat that they have to do everything in its power to avoid it? How is it going? That thing? Who knows BJ.....the young ones are pulling on the socialism thing hard....capitalism is not all it is cracked up to be.....and they don't think it is because the Blacks are low IQ and the Latinos are invading from South of the Border...it is because Jeff Bezos is in Amazon.com upping the productivity levels all the time...see how much he can squeeze out of his model....using workers as batteries for it. A very old concept. And unless the wealth starts flowing down? They won't be backing that model for long. Regardless of what Cuba does or doesn't do.
Where have I done this? You've had this conversation with an imaginary Relampaguito in your own mind, and seem to think that I have asserted everything that you've conjured up in your own head.
No, BJ, you never state what your agenda is for blowing up the Republican party. You never do. Be fearless my man. Because I am. I don't care about my socialism being public or my pro independence and my past that you don't know a thing about either BJ. All I know is when I am booking out of this world I did live my life according to my principles. All of them. The politics, the moral code, the internationalism, the sense of loving and expanding the corazon to humanity. And going out being consistent. That is my goal. What is yours? Never say what you truly believe because you live in California Senor in a sea of liberals who are punishing the right for not being liberal? If you are frightened of your own society? Where is your higher functions BJ? Be fearless....If the agenda is good? Nothing to fear....if you know that the liberals will identify you as a fascist? But that is who you are? Go for it. I don't agree. But? If you are never out there? Because you got too much to lose? You won't make any progress. I don't care that my political party loses all the time. I am only concerned with if the principles I have lived by are consistent with my actions, thoughts and beliefs that influence important life choices. That is all any one of us can hope for BJ.
Of course. After all, I brought the Taliban up in the context of you finding love in differences and being comfortable with them.
Who is distorting my thoughts? Do you truly think my love is about the Taliban? You are a big distorter my man. Lol. Socialism is not about an Islamic conservative religion. If you study Afghanistan and Pakistan and many other nations and why the Taliban came to power in those nations? Is it a simple story without any human complexity? Yes or no? Lol. You know the answer to that. Start realizing all of human history and nations have complexity. And you might arrive at understanding my points of view on human history BJ. And not ideas about "Leftist Animals". Ay Dios que voy a hacer contigo hombre?
I'm not overly concerned about that; however, I do not think the US should embrace immigration of people who are unlikely to assimilate.
I don't care about assimilation at all. I think acculturation is the most humane practice. Assimilation is for the birds.
Again, Rapaille says the reptilian brain always wins. I noticed you overlooked Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, and the big media houses (and the Clintons) covering up for them.
BJ, there are so many abusers all over the place. Too many of them and too little time. But I mentioned Fox news because they broke the law suit sexual harrassment issue before the white liberals with 'me too" and company. They were the ones being forced to commit low acts in order to remain in the career advancement mode...as they criticized liberals for being 'feminists'yet they had to sue to get the creep off their backs....due to sexually based forms of abusing power...hypocritical indeed.
You are the one asserting this egalitarian notion and that you accept all these people as they are--except perhaps for Donald Trump. This philosophy is all well and nice for people who don't mean you any harm, but for people who do mean you harm, this sort of philosophy is quite dangerous.
BJ, you sound like a slaveowner from way on back...asserting this notion of slaves being equal to others who are not slaves....asserting women are equal and should have the vote, asserting blacks are equal and got to let them vote, asserting that injuns are human, asserting...equality in history is always a dangerous notion. Don't you remember Gracchus and the conspiracy of equals BJ? Way back in France at the dawn of socialist thought? The equality scene is always incredibly dangerous for the ones fighting against it. Lol!
All kinds of people mean me harm. How to cope with them? Donald Trump doesn't mean me harm? Yes, he doesn't according to you? The man reversed his decision to wipe the Rican debt and get PR off its downward spiral because he dances to the beat of the banker drummer. He is doing damage all the way...to favor himself. He threatens to withhold money from Puerto Rico unless it caves to his desires. Even if people are hurt everyday by his actions. By a lot of problems. The most conservative right wing of the Rican governors whom he 'semi supported' got his ass kicked out of office because he got Trumpy...with his nasty anti social comments and had the temerity to say that someone would be doing him a favor if they shot Carmen Cruz in the head.....Lol. The Puerto Rican people hit the street for weeks, and protested and put such pressure on that Donald Trumpesque style of speech? that Ricky had to resign. Had to go. The Americans? No. Weak people and weak morals. They accept shit that is unacceptable. Why? Because they are fear based reptilian thralled people. And it will cost them a lot.
How do you mean that I don't see it?
What are you talking about BJ? You don't see a lot of things. This is about propaganda. What is propaganda but having people herded into a way of thought that you manipulate for the purposes of some agenda that is meant to persuade as @annatar1914 has stated.
]I work in high tech. You have this idea of me as some sort of Caudillo. That's not a common trait among tech workers.
Caudillo? Lol. You? You are too uptight to be Latin American by far....BJ. I don't count that against you. Nothing about you is Latin American. A strongman you think I think you? I think you are a man in a sea of liberals in Northern California, who wants something orderly, American, puristic and who knows what else? You picked the wrong state for that BJ. Your state is the most diverse and the one filled with the most immigrants. Also the one with the most Pacific Rim influences, Latin infuences, everything but your average white person's influences. Lol. Caudillo....no, Senor.
They also go to war with each other, which she didn't cover until later in her career. [quote]
They do. They eat meat ocassionally too. Not complete vegetarians. But it is infrequent. The wars. They would not go for 20 years of continual wars. Too wasteful and too much energy wasted. Chimps wasted. Got to be balanced in our insanity. Like Harari stated...'never underestimate human stupidity'. In history? Human beings are far more stupid than chimps regarding wars.
Yeah, what the hell? I said, "As I've explained to you many times, Charles Murray in his Bell Curve was not trying to say, "Hey, black people are stupid, so let's not bother educating them." You turn around and parrot the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I said as though I had said that. I didn't say all blacks are stupid, and neither did Charles Murray. What is it about people with your political disposition that you immediately infer things that are not said, not implied, and which have been explained to you over and over? Can you just deal with what I said and not what you would have liked me to have said because it's convenient for your political argument?
No BJ, too many paragraphs you have written over the years...and fights with many others on here I have read...you believe in some kind of inherent hierarchy of innate abilities. Everything is adaptation. Deal with that well. What affects adaptation? Everything affects it. A person's diets, how the mother treats herself during pregnancy, a baby being breastfed or not, the child's early imprints of thoughts and emotions, if there are books in the household available, if the mother talks and reads to the child, if the child has genetic predispositions, if the child is perceived a certain way by a community, so many things go into adaptation. Again? Is it about race? Has the society fully given all the factors a real thorough going over and made a difference to level it all out fairly for all people. Listen to Bregman.....has anyone really thought about the possibility that people who are in deeply fear based psychological states going to be able to adapt well to many things? So many things are not really measured BJ. Just assumptions about why a group doesn't fit a criteria....Again you need corazon to get past it. Get one soon BJ. Or you might not be able to see it. Ever.
Indeed. There is more genetic diversity among sub-Saharan Africans than among European and Asian populations.
There is diversity in all groups. That is natural. There is diversity and what does it mean? I am tired of people boxing other groups in BJ. They are old, tired, horrible arguments. Some Dave guy from Chicago years ago....went on and on with me years ago in here with "But the Puerto Ricans are below average IQ Tainari....your ethnic group is not as intelligent as Jews. Maybe a few of you can be saved...the high IQ ones.....like a few.....but the majority are dunces." Lol. Such a fine man he was...lol. Racist and so on...but he hid behind the Bell Curve....being unbiased. What they should be doing if they truly believed all that shit? Change the poor's circumstances. Get involved. Go out there and deal with educating youth that are struggling. I don't believe in armchair theories BJ.
And, once again, I never said any such thing. This is a problem for you. You are assuming that someone who doesn't agree with you must hold a particular opinion, when that isn't the case. You end up arguing against a straw man of your own construction. There are more than two points of view in the world. It's not just your point of view, or the other one.
No, BJ, you make excuses for that Trump man president. You make excuses for that man's behavior...Why? Because you want to destroy the establishment. Why? Give me your agenda of why you defend that man? What is the next step after the burning down of both parties? Tell me...once the swamp is drained? What do you want to see? Give me an answer BJ. Otherwise I will think you are hiding your politics. And that for me? Means you have not gotten over that Liberal Specter you got there in Northern California.
I happen to be for school choice. There are a lot of people on the left against it.
Forget about debating school choice. It is about propaganda. Propaganda about bad educations for minorities is always problematic.
roll: You aren't even capable of listening to what I've said without extrapolating meanings or interpolating points I didn't make. I'm pretty widely travelled. I have seen a lot. My trip to the United Arab Emirates last year was interesting for precisely that reason. It never occurred to me that a country would have taxicabs driven by women that are strictly for women per Islamic prohibitions on women being with another man that isn't their husband. I've seen a lot more than you think I have.
You see with what? Distrust? Horror? Indifference? Or with a curiosity about human societies and why they are the way they are? Ves? Lo que digo BJ?
There's also a subtext of why Donald Trump is going to win again. Social media censorship cannot change that.
I don't care about that BJ. I just think that Donald Trump is not someone who is a good statesman or good at running a country. He will wind up having some issues with his lack of predictability. I already stated who might have a beef with him because of it.
You keep backing that slimeball of a man. I don't care BJ. But don't think I don't notice what your excuses are about. I do.
y deja que mi alma se- pierda en- tus riachuelos
para buscar la fuente que te robó de niño
y en un ímpetu loco te devolvió al sendero.