[ness31]

and they've gone too far to ever turn back. They have to be completely ruthless now because if the public ever really catches on not only to what these fuckers have done to them but what they are in their psychopathic nature, how dangerous and depraved they are, it'll be a bloodbath that makes the Bolshevik revolution look like a minor civil disturbance.

They’re like children pushing the boundaries. Dissent is so f’kin important right now to ensure we claw back the freedoms we temporarily lose. Express your awareness, let them know that you know!! Look those great whites dead in the eyes and ask em if they’re feeling lucky! Never let them forget just what they are.

I'm not getting my hopes up on that, I have no doubt that 10 maybe 15 years from now we'll be right back where we are now in the middle of another retarded fucking farce.

Well, I think psychopaths can actually be quite efficient and useful when they’re the benign type. They have this very annoying ability to probe and hurt you for your own wellbeing. I know, counterintuitive right? We’ve just become so soft we can’t handle any kind of discomfort anymore.
So I actually do have faith that at the end of this the wise will have the information they need to be better prepared.

[foxdemon]

My opinion hasn't changed since day one. It is far easier to quarantine the over 65s and those who display symptoms than lockdowning the entire nation.

Look, as I said to Sivad, if he thinks the death rate of the virus is overrated, then he can simply volunteer at a hospital in Spain or Italy and let us know just how overrated the whole thing is. Likewise, if it is wide scale quarantine that you object to, why not show your dissent by protesting the rules during lockdown? Do they have internet assess in jail? Not sure if you will be able to let us know how it went.


But why dwell n all this negativity? Here is a video about all the good things that come with the coronavirus.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aALZFDg0TfY


Note the part about reduction in pollution saving lives, in contrast to Sivad’s claim that lockdown costs lives. Essentially, the world has changed. It is only laggards, slow adjusters and luddites that will be upset by this.

[Sivad]

Sivad’s claim that lockdown costs lives.

I never claimed "lockdown costs lives", I said the economic collapse that results from the lockdown is going to cost lives and that's 100% correct.

[B0ycey]

Look, as I said to Sivad, if he thinks the death rate of the virus is overrated, then he can simply volunteer at a hospital in Spain or Italy and let us know just how overrated the whole thing is. Likewise, if it is wide scale quarantine that you object to, why not show your dissent by protesting the rules during lockdown? Do they have internet assess in jail? Not sure if you will be able to let us know how it went.

You don't even know what I objective to because you BS all the time. I don't object to widespread isolation, in fact I would prefer it to what we have now which is a half measure - which I will adhere to because otherwise there is no way of knowing how effective it is to criticise it later. It just isn't what I would do. With the data I have seen and what is available it would be more prudent to shield the "at risk group" than everyone because guess what, there are other factors than health to think of like I don't know, the economy. But whatever. We will talk about that more if you're still on PoFo next year.

Nonetheless the pressure in Italy and Spain could well be from a very very high infection rate at a relatively short period of time. Because there isn't universal testing we simply do not know. What we do know is even with lockdown measures infection rates are still rising - although at a reduced rate. Make shift hospitals, ventilators and volunteers would ease the pressure. And all that can be done whilst there isn't a lockdown. Just quarantining the at risk group would ease the burden to the health service because the risk is within them BTW.

Note the part about reduction in pollution saving lives, in contrast to Sivad’s claim that lockdown costs lives. Essentially, the world has changed. It is only laggards, slow adjusters and luddites that will be upset by this.

Well poverty does cost lives. So does pollution. So does driving, so does many things. Although if you want to discuss lockdowns costing lives perhaps address him than me if he has made that claim. I just claim lockdowns have a huge economic consequence that costs jobs and increases borrowing. If government abandon Capitalism and bring in Socialism projects like FDR did, then perhaps over time we will have a more just society. But I won't hold my breathe. They most likely will just give it to the banks to lend to businesses creating more debt whilst hoping we return to our spending habits.

[Patrickov]

The politicians are fucked whatever they do. Politically, in the UK for example, to save their skins, they need around a 100,000 dead.

Any more, they didn't do enough. Any less and they overreacted and fucked up people's lives.

Well, I think even that is a bit of overcomplication.

Governments should better safe than sorry, but so do the common people. In fact, this problem is more or less beyond what governments could (and should) control.

[ingliz]

beyond what governments could... control.

That wont help them.

Remember the 2008 financial crisis. That was nothing much to do with the UK government but it didn't stop Labour, the ruling party, getting the blame. Even when most experts at the time were crediting Gordon Brown with setting the example that saved the world's economy, it didn't save them.

[SolarCross]

That wont help them.

Remember the 2008 financial crisis. That was nothing much to do with the UK government but it didn't stop Labour, the ruling party, getting the blame. Even when most experts at the time were crediting Gordon Brown with setting the example that saved the world's economy, it didn't save them.

That's funny I don't remember anyone blaming Labour for that. Gordon Brown took some stick for selling off the UK's gold at a bargain price, oops, but apart from that the bankers were the chief target of blame. Mostly the chattering classes just accused him of being boring compared with Tony Blair.

Labour had a long run in power thanks to Blair's razzmatazz centre-leftism so they would be have probably been evicted from No. 10 just for that, people like a change. Dull old Brown had no more chance of election than failed circus freak John Major did after such a long run of Thatcher.



Economic genius!

[ingliz]

I don't remember anyone blaming Labour for that.

This might jog your memory.

Framing the Global Economic Downturn: Crisis rhetoric and the politics of recessions