late wrote:Industrial farming has gotta stop. I've decided words like sustainable are too big for some in our audience..
Yeah. I figured smugness would be your response.
Godstud wrote:That said, I know we do have to move to a more sustainable way of getting protein, meaning insects, although many people are repulsed by the idea.
Well, you'll have a low-cost supply of protein. My high cost alternative will be meat, and my low cost alternative will be legumes.
AFIAK wrote:A third of China's pigs died last year due to disease. Farmers aren't compensated so they sell infected animals anyway, spreading the disease or they dump them in rivers so the symptomless livestock doesn't get culled.
China is totally awesome.
SolarCross wrote:I think the message nature is sending us is that crazy control freak totalitarians are as shit at keeping bioweapons from getting loose as they are at managing nuclear power stations. Wuhan Institute of Virology is China's Chernobyl.
This is pretty much China's Chernobyl. Fucking commie douchebags.
Sivad wrote:If it came out of that lab it wasn't an accident.
China's behavior suggests that it was from that lab. Even scientists do stupid shit. In this case, we had a whistleblower who ostensibly died from the disease, although I have my doubts.
B0ycey wrote:So why are the conspiracists focused on bioterrorism than the more likely scenario of crossing the species divide?
Terrorists are surely taking notice of how this is far more disruptive than 9/11; however, it will kill Muslim fundamentalists just as fast as anyone else. However, a lot of terrorists are pretty nihilistic.
SolarCross wrote:I think the question is why are the totalitarians ignoring the very high probability that their favourite totalitarian regime might just be a bunch of clowns?
It's probably the same reason they refuse to understand why the Western electorates have given up on the technocrats and voted in populists.
late wrote:No virus cares about your paranoiac BS.
Nor do they care about your smug, condescending self assuredness.
late wrote:What the above means is that the rate of disease coming from animals is increasing, and a lot of it comes from industrial farming...
There is nothing to suggest that this came from an industrial farming operation. It likely came from either the Wuhan virology lab where they might be studying viruses in animals, or the wet market where foodstuffs like bats are sold which are not industrially farmed and hence aren't subject to the same regulatory controls for food safety.
late wrote:Back in the real world (consider visiting us sometime) a hypothesis needs support, and you have none.
There are several. The Wuhan virology lab and the wet market. Both are far more likely scenarios than you've offered.
B0ycey wrote:We cannot know that it originated there.
We do know the outbreak centered there.
B0ycey wrote:China is pretty darn efficient. They sorted this out in two months.
First, you have to believe they sorted it out. Second, they don't have to respect human rights. They can simply execute anyone with a fever and ensure the press doesn't report it.
B0ycey wrote:Which is why, except Atlantis, I cannot understand why those who advocate health over economics are happy with the Wests half open half closed rising cases and soon we'll all be infected but a damn sight poorer strategy.
People who have been lamenting capitalism should be happy about this, because it has brought much of the capitalist system to its knees.
SolarCross wrote:You and late could be a little less obvious shills for winnie the pooh.
This is sort of like the Democrats are racists behind the scenes and collude with the MSM meme that they downplayed until Wikileaks laid it bare. I've said for years, its unlawful to bribe politicians, but not media mouthpieces. Lots of money goes into the pockets of talking heads to push the agendas of all sorts of nation-states and NGOs. That's why the craziest people in our country are either shitting themselves in doorways in the downtown area of large cities, or they are on television spouting crazy shit.
Godstud wrote:Suspicious isn't cause for speculation about China wanting to destroy itself with disease.
It is unlikely deliberate. It's more likely some fuck up at the Wuhan virology lab. Never attribute to conspiracy which can be explained by incompetence. However, the virus has a peculiar trait. It's asymptomatic among much of the population, but it preys on the elderly and infirm. Now consider the cost of welfare states with an aging population. In the US and Europe, the cost of taking care of the elderly is staggering. In the US, both Social Security and Medicare dominate the federal budget leaving little for everything else. What happens if you have a pandemic that kills mostly old people? Tremendous relief on the budgets of the welfare state. It will be hard on insurers of working age insured--those people with the weaker immune systems and other chronic health conditions. However, the virus could be called the "Hitler" virus, because it does much of what the Nazi-state wanted to do in getting rid of the weak and "useless eaters."
SolarCross wrote:I suspect an ACCIDENTAL release.
They always misread in coordination with the hope that others of us will have been too lazy to see the sleight of hand.
Godstud wrote:It's still conspiracy theory nonsense.
Conspiracy suggests intent. A fuckup either in a virology lab or a wet market is not a conspiracy. China's government's effort to control the narrative is a conspiracy for which there is plentiful evidence.
SolarCross wrote:Maybe because Wuhan had a virology lab it already had containment teams and protocols in place to control the vectors, maybe because if it ever did come out that it was a manmade virus the Chinese could plausibly claim it was an accident.
The virus doesn't have to be man-made for the transmission to humans to have occurred in that lab. They could have simply been isolating viruses from various species, and some fuckwit didn't follow protocol. That's the more likely explanation. Chernobyl happened because of a bunch of fuckwits too. And the fucking Soviets didn't even bother building blast proof containment structures. Sure, totalitarians are efficient. As I said, an airplane with no triple redundancy systems would be more efficient too. Want to take your chances?
Godstud wrote:New York has labs. They must have released it on the population, there.
New York has woke leftists politicians encouraging people to go out in groups even after an emergency was declared, just like Milan.
late wrote:We know what happened, and that ain't it.We know what happened, and that ain't it.
There is no evidence it came from an industrial farm.
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