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Godstud wrote:Trump is not a good Christian.

President Trump is a believer in Christ. That is more than I can say for your atheist ass.
Praise the Lord.
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Believing isn't enough unless you actually follow the rules, which is more than I can say for your fake Christian ass. :lol:
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What a man is or was, he doesn't always remain, for good or for bad. Either way people are imperfect and cannot be counted on to the degree that people on the Right or Left want to count upon them.
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Godstud wrote:Believing isn't enough unless you actually follow the rules, which is more than I can say for your fake Christian ass. :lol:

Atheists, like you, do not understand what "believing in Christ" means.
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Hindsite wrote:Atheists, like you, do not understand what "believing in Christ" means.


I believe that you neither understand Atheism nor what believing in Christ is, from insofar as I can tell. I wrote this a while back, maybe you or somebody might think it worth thinking about;

The origin of the word ''Atheist'' comes from the Greek; ''atheos'', or ''without god(s)''. Not ''against'', or ''in denial of'' necessarily, but ''without''...

Now, we know from Scripture as Christians that the knowledge of the True God is impossible without the gift or grace of 'faith'. Heretics and Schismatics and Infidels don't have the grace of faith, so they are ''without god'', or ''Atheists'', themselves. Fortunately, God is good and loves mankind, so people are moving towards faith in Him all the time, and everywhere. It's a mystery known only to God Himself, who He draws to Him.

This is really a complicated issue in a number of aspects, but the fact remains that being without God is being without God, even if one thinks they have God, perhaps they do not and only adore an Idol which is a reflection of their errors about reality and those of others as well. This may not be easy for some to accept or hear, and all too easy for one to just dismiss.

Certainly, the worst position seems to be that of those who don't care one way or another, but definitely live life as if there was not a God. They are in the condition of what Kirkegaard called ''Despair'', or the ''sickness unto death'', but are not aware of it consciously. This is because these people are barely aware of being a self at all, and go through life in a most superficial way, either only dealing with life in terms of what is agreeable or disagreeable to them, what pleases or displeases them. Or they are of the sort who builds those Idols I was speaking of earlier, who generates abstract Ideas and believes those ideas have a life of their own independently of their own minds, and can never liberate themselves from those ideas that are after all, only in their head. If they awaken to their situation, these people, they may see what trouble they're in.

No, only ''Atheists'' who consciously understand what is at stake and are actively in the search for truth that will put an end to their very conscious despair, these perhaps will be granted faith to continue on their journey, and not sink back into the previous state of apathetic unconscious despair.


Anyway, here it is.
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annatar1914 wrote:I believe that you neither understand Atheism nor what believing in Christ is, from insofar as I can tell. I wrote this a while back, maybe you or somebody might think it worth thinking about;


Anyway, here it is.

Why didn't you write something explaining "believing in Christ" to help atheists like Godstud?
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Hindsite wrote:Why didn't you write something explaining "believing in Christ" to help atheists like Godstud?


Christians help unbelievers come to believe, by living the Christian life through actions as well as words. Attacking people, not choosing one's words carefully, saying things that are untrue, mixing in one's personal views and politics in a partisan manner while speaking of Christianity, this does not help people see the light...

If one is still in darkness themselves.
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annatar1914 wrote:Christians help unbelievers come to believe, by living the Christian life through actions as well as words. Attacking people, not choosing one's words carefully, saying things that are untrue, mixing in one's personal views and politics in a partisan manner while speaking of Christianity, this does not help people see the light...

If one is still in darkness themselves.

So to make this more clear, you believe Godstud is too far gone to help with any words on how to believe in Christianity, because he attacks people, says things that are not true, uses nasty words, and speaks of Christianity negatively by mixing his personal atheist views with his partisan politics.

Over the years, I basically came to believe much the same myself, because he has been attacking me in a nasty manner ever since I came on here, because of both my political and Christian views. He is an extreme Trump hater and transfers that hate on to those that express their support for Trump policies.

Godstud's constant trolling of my posts to attack me got the better of my normal good nature and that is why I began to attack him back. I didn't realize it at the time, but that attitude flowed over to all the left-wing liberal Trump haters on here that act similar to Godstud. I made an attempt to ignore Godstud at one point, but I could no longer ignore his false statements without making an attempt to correct them. Hopefully, one day someone will come along that can get through to him and others on here that are in darkness to save their souls. I guess it is not going to be you or me. However, we do have our disagreements too. I told another poster by PM that I would probably leave here after the November election.
Praise the Lord
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@Hindsite
So to make this more clear, you believe Godstud is too far gone to help with any words on how to believe in Christianity


No, he isn't. And you aren't too far gone either to believe in Christianity instead of believing in men.



, because he attacks people, says things that are not true, uses nasty words, and speaks of Christianity negatively by mixing his personal atheist views with his partisan politics.


Let's say that he does that, just for the sake of argument. You attack people, say things that aren't true, use nasty words ,and mix your personal Evangelical views with your partisan politics. Specks and beams.

Over the years, I basically came to believe much the same myself, because he has been attacking me in a nasty manner ever since I came on here, because of both my political and Christian views.


Yes, Atheists and especially very politically motivated ones (political ideology being their religion substitute) can possibly be nasty and harsh to those they see as mixing Theistic religion into secular politics.


He is an extreme Trump hater and transfers that hate on to those that express their support for Trump policies.


Trump has a deliberately abrasive political persona that is meant quite consciously to be irritating to his political opponents and make them lose their minds, so it's easy for them to hate him and those who support him.

Godstud's constant trolling of my posts to attack me got the better of my normal good nature and that is why I began to attack him back.


That's not very Christian, is it? But fact is is that in this environment it could be too unhealthy and toxic for you here. I'm considering leaving as well, have even tried to, but there are people here that I enjoy talking to and I get something approaching more wisdom from them. I'm willing to change my views if convinced I'm wrong, whereas you are very committed to your political positions. Maybe too much in my opinion, but ultimately that's something between you and the Good Lord.

I didn't realize it at the time, but that attitude flowed over to all the left-wing liberal Trump haters on here that act similar to Godstud.


Right. That's called ''dehumanization'', not seeing them as fellow human beings made in the Image and Likeness of Almighty God.



I made an attempt to ignore Godstud at one point, but I could no longer ignore his false statements without making an attempt to correct them.


Have you considered that it's not your place to ''correct'' people, that maybe it's better to live your life and by your example persuade people if God should so will it?



Hopefully, one day someone will come along that can get through to him and others on here that are in darkness to save their souls.


Save your soul, with God's help, and look to your own failings first. I don't take an attitude like that in my mind that could easily make people think I'm ''better'' than they are-because I'm not.



I guess it is not going to be you or me.


It could be God Himself. But whatever God does with people, ultimately He does it Himself even if He works through people, so we have no cause to boast.

However, we do have our disagreements too.


Yes, we do. But, if I had total contempt for you personally and decided it wasn't worth it to talk to you at all, I would just ignore what you write on here entirely. So, I haven't let our personal disagreements cloud the fact that you're a child of God too, same as me.


I told another poster by PM that I would probably leave here after the November election.



That's entirely up to you and how you feel God is moving you to do or not do. My thinking is that everybody has gone a little too worked up over things, and we need to be calm and reasonable with each other, respectful of one another.
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annatar1914 wrote:@Hindsite

No, he isn't. And you aren't too far gone either to believe in Christianity instead of believing in men.

Let's say that he does that, just for the sake of argument. You attack people, say things that aren't true, use nasty words ,and mix your personal Evangelical views with your partisan politics. Specks and beams.

My thinking is that everybody has gone a little too worked up over things, and we need to be calm and reasonable with each other, respectful of one another.

I apologize for misunderstanding you. I am not going to respond to all your comments because I feel that you really put me down and in my place. However, I still disagree with you on some Christian topics such as the rapture and the return of Christ. But it is nice to learn that you are willing to be more reasonable and respectful to me. I will try to be the same to you.
Hallelu YaH
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Hindsite wrote:I apologize for misunderstanding you. I am not going to respond to all your comments because I feel that you really put me down and in my place. However, I still disagree with you on some Christian topics such as the rapture and the return of Christ. But it is nice to learn that you are willing to be more reasonable and respectful to me. I will try to be the same to you.
Hallelu YaH


I never had the intent of ''putting you down and in your place'', because only you know that best, you and God. We're all on a journey. And I think I should indeed be more reasonable and respectful of you too, because I haven't been. I'm alive, so I'm still learning too. I shouldn't let disagreements obscure your status as a human being, a child of God.

So let's start over, shall we? Every day is genuinely a gift from God.
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