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By annatar1914
#15080115
maz wrote:I am pretty sure they did a commemorative one for Trump too. I seem to remember it but just can't find it. I also remember emailing the Hillary Time Magazine photo to my uncle and I whined about the point of voting when it already had been decided. I was pretty black pilled right at that moment.

Then a few hours later...BAM :lol:



I could watch that on a loop for quite a while :lol:

Of course, I could watch that of pretty much every defeated American politician :D
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By Hindsite
#15080120
maz wrote:I am pretty sure they did a commemorative one for Trump too. I seem to remember it but just can't find it. I also remember emailing the Hillary Time Magazine photo to my uncle and I whined about the point of voting when it already had been decided. I was pretty black pilled right at that moment.

Then a few hours later...BAM :lol:


It is a shame that they had to be that disappointed. However, it would have been better for our nation, if the Democrats had accepted it and not been so vengeful in constantly lying about collusion with Russia to win the election, spying on Trump and his campaign members by use of the "deep state" in the FBI, and finally attempting to turn over the election by impeachment.
#15080137
NO. The CDC has not approved it, @Julian658.

All that said, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases who has appeared alongside Trump at several news conferences, has said evidence of the drugs' effectiveness is only anecdotal.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/23/heal ... index.html
#15080148
What Godstud said is true: What Julian said is NOT TRUE. :knife:

The FDA approved stockpiling these drugs for use in an emergency.

This is not FDA approval of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19," says epidemiologist Rajesh Gandhi, who is leading Massachusetts General Hospital's COVID-19 treatment task force. "There's an epidemic of misinformation out there, and we need to combat that."


There are many drugs that can be used for things they were not intended to be used for. For example, Gabapentin was intended for the treatment of epilepsy but is now frequently used as a pain killer. Sildenifil was a blood pressure medicine until someone decided it was worth more as Viagra.

There are thousands of drugs that can be repurposed. They have already been through safety trials so they can be put to use sooner. Many doctors are using chloroquin for Covid-19. If I was ill with the disease I would want it. In addition to being an antimalarial drug it is also very useful in the treatment of Systemic lupus erythematosus I am told.

So FDA also approved these drugs for emergency use to treat Covid-19. This is such a use. It may work. It may not. But it has not been through clinical trials and been approved as a cure for Covid-19.

Do be careful @Julian658 . You may lead someone astray with your uninformed googling.
Last edited by Drlee on 31 Mar 2020 03:47, edited 1 time in total.
#15080149
Julian658 wrote:The FDA approved the drug.

Godstud wrote:NO. The CDC has not approved it, @Julian658.

The CDC does not approve drugs. The FDA does.
FDA gives emergency approval for antimalarial drugs in treating coronavirus patients

Get with it @Godstud. Your link is so last week. :roll:

Drlee wrote:The FDA approved stockpiling these drugs for use in an emergency.

We are in an emergency. It's not approved for general use, because they do not have enough statistical data to establish effectiveness from clinical trials. However, the drugs are generally safe for prescription and the side effects well known. What isn't established statistically is whether it is generally effective for treatment of coronavirus.
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blackjack21 wrote:Get with it @Godstud. Your link is so last week.
The accuracy of that statement is not old, as Fauci restated that 2 days ago.

FDA approves a lot of things that aren't cures.
#15080154
blackjack21 wrote:The CDC does not approve drugs. The FDA does.
FDA gives emergency approval for antimalarial drugs in treating coronavirus patients

Get with it @Godstud. Your link is so last week. :roll:


We are in an emergency. It's not approved for general use, because they do not have enough statistical data to establish effectiveness from clinical trials. However, the drugs are generally safe for prescription and the side effects well known. What isn't established statistically is whether it is generally effective for treatment of coronavirus.



Bj, why do you have Biden the senile one as your avatar? Are you trying to punk on Biden? Don't make fun of the Democratic party Relampaguito. You need to respect that fine party looking out for the people's interests.

Lol. I have a feeling BJ.....that Trump might lose to a senile dementia sliding old man and you will be looking at some bad statements made by that avatar of yours.

Ave Maria Relampaguito you are shameless in your ridiculing the sacredness of BIDEN. Shame on you! :lol: :D
#15080158
Godstud wrote:The accuracy of that statement is not old, as Fauci restated that 2 days ago.

Fauci and Trump aren't at odds as CNN and MSNBC would have you believe. Doctors in the US can use Hydroxychloroquine in the treatment of the Wuhan Coronavirus, even though it is not yet approved for that purpose.

Tainari88 wrote:Bj, why do you have Biden the senile one as your avatar? Are you trying to punk on Biden?

Politically, Biden is eerily irrelevant right now. However, he says the daffiest things, it's always a laugh to poke fun at him.

Tainari88 wrote:Lol. I have a feeling BJ.....that Trump might lose to a senile dementia sliding old man and you will be looking at some bad statements made by that avatar of yours.

You know me. My position is to be against the establishment. We will be rid of Trump in 9 months or in 4 years and nine months. I just don't want the neoliberals/neoconservatives to win again. They need some time in the woodshed. 4 years is not enough. They have basically gone batshit crazy in the last 4 years, wouldn't you agree?
#15080159
@blackjack21 I never said they were at odds. Just because they are using some anti-malarial drugs to fight the disease does not mean people should start stocking up on these things when the information regarding treatment is anecdotal, and not clinical.

I think American politics has taken a backseat to the virus, and few people are paying attention to Biden, or anyone, when just getting by is more important.

Will this help or hinder Trump/Biden? Only time will tell. most of us just want to be around when the election is supposed to happen.

If Trump handles things even slightly OK, it will help him immensely in Nov.
#15080161
maz wrote:I hate defending Trump now a days but aren't people forgetting that the Democrats were STILL impeaching Trump while this crisis was developing?

Jan. 21, 2020, 1st confirmed case in the United States, Jan. 30, 2020 WHO declares global health emergency, and the impeachment officially ended on February 5, 2020.

If anything you could make the case that the Democrats played a key role in sabotaging America's coronavirus response.


Wait where is John Bolton?
#15080179
Drlee wrote:What Godstud said is true: What Julian said is NOT TRUE. :knife:

The FDA approved stockpiling these drugs for use in an emergency.



There are many drugs that can be used for things they were not intended to be used for. For example, Gabapentin was intended for the treatment of epilepsy but is now frequently used as a pain killer. Sildenifil was a blood pressure medicine until someone decided it was worth more as Viagra.

There are thousands of drugs that can be repurposed. They have already been through safety trials so they can be put to use sooner. Many doctors are using chloroquin for Covid-19. If I was ill with the disease I would want it. In addition to being an antimalarial drug it is also very useful in the treatment of Systemic lupus erythematosus I am told.

So FDA also approved these drugs for emergency use to treat Covid-19. This is such a use. It may work. It may not. But it has not been through clinical trials and been approved as a cure for Covid-19.

Do be careful @Julian658 . You may lead someone astray with your uninformed googling.


Thanks you for corroborating my point. Many FDA approved drugs are often used for other purposes other than the FDA approved indication and no one blinks an eye. The FDA looks the other way. IN this instance the FDA has specifically blessed Plaquenil for the management of Covid 19. BTW, the post by Godstud is incorrect. The CDC does not approve drugs.
Last edited by Julian658 on 31 Mar 2020 13:04, edited 1 time in total.
#15080181
Sure, you can split hairs. In practice(maybe not technically), the CDC does approve drugs. It makes recommendations on what drugs are used, and for what. Like now...

The drugs that some people are recommending(anti-Malarial drugs) are all based on anecdotal evidence, and not clinical evidence.
By Patrickov
#15080186
Julian658 wrote:Ha, ha, even Mao was a Nazi. You guys have high standards. How about Ché Guevara?


Guevara is the other extreme.
#15080206
Godstud wrote:Sure, you can split hairs. In practice(maybe not technically), the CDC does approve drugs. It makes recommendations on what drugs are used, and for what. Like now...

The drugs that some people are recommending(anti-Malarial drugs) are all based on anecdotal evidence, and not clinical evidence.

It is the FDA in the United States that approves the use of how drugs are used, not the CDC. You may be thinking of the CDER within the FDA.

American consumers benefit from having access to the safest and most advanced pharmaceutical system in the world. The main consumer watchdog in this system is FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research (CDER).

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/development-a ... cess-drugs
#15080210
@Hindsite OK... I guess you, with your near genius, don't get the gist of what I am saying.

The CDC makes recommendations for treatments, and that includes which drugs should be used.
#15080216
if the Liberals insist on putting up the likes of Greta Thunberg and Joe Biden as world leaders then we will continue to ruthlessly mock them. Its not because we take pleasure in mocking mentally ill, autistic teenage girls or senile old man with advancing dementia. Its sad, but the Liberals are 100% responsible for these tragic situations. My own father suffered from dementia in his last years. I would have hated to see him mocked and humiliated by the world's media. But my Dad stopped even being a lay reader at his Church, a role that he loved and gave his life purpose, before we even realised that he had dementia. the idea that someone would put their relative or friend dementia sufferer up for President just beggars belief.

Republicans should be ashamed of putting up Reagan for a second term, but this with Greta and Joe, its just off the scale.
#15080242
Rich wrote:if the Liberals insist on putting up the likes of Greta Thunberg and Joe Biden as world leaders then we will continue to ruthlessly mock them. It's not because we take pleasure in mocking mentally ill, autistic teenage girls or senile old men with advancing dementia. It's sad, but the Liberals are 100% responsible for these tragic situations. My father suffered from dementia in his last years. I would have hated to see him mocked and humiliated by the world's media. But my Dad stopped even being a lay reader at his Church, a role that he loved and gave his life purpose before we even realized that he had dementia. the idea that someone would put their relative or friend dementia sufferer up for President just beggars belief.

Republicans should be ashamed of putting up Reagan for a second term, but this with Greta and Joe, it's just off the scale.



The DNC used Warren, Bootyjudge, and Klobuchar and the ones who did not fall into line with them? They lied on and used and excluded. They are a horrible party and the only good thing I think will come of it? Will be a third party capable of eclipsing both the Repukes and the Demons. The USA needs to get away from the corrupt two-faced duo parties and start coping with real alternatives to that neoliberal/neoconservative sell out to the corporate interest parties Rich.

Trump though is a big threat. And many people think Biden is an improvement over Trump. I don't know what will happen in November? But if millions of Americans wind up dead? He will lose for sure. Their jobs are gone and holed up in their houses and none of the vaccines yet developed (which is likely) and businesses going bust and only big multinationals and corporations being bailed out while small businesses get zilch? There will be a big backlash.

The politicians who are establishment are the worst I have seen in my lifetime. They don't understand that the PRC is sending medical supplies to Mexico in large quantities. They are busting moves to prove they can handle world decisions. If the USA continues with its horrific infighting and bad leadership? They will lose to an authoritarian state in control of masses of capitalist production and almost huge amounts of industrialized production.

They are risking their positions. But? That is what fools do when they are arrogant sellouts.
#15080259
Tainari88 wrote:Trump though is a big threat. And many people think Biden is an improvement over Trump. I don't know what will happen in November? But if millions of Americans wind up dead? He will lose for sure.

That's difficult to say. Trump singularly among US politicians has been warning about China for decades. Biden, by contrast, is a Chinese lapdog--selling out the US to help his son line his pockets. Not even impeaching Trump can hide that fact, and now in view of Coronavirus, it's pretty much certain Biden is a loser in this thing. The reality is Trump SHOULD be toast right now, but he's not. Ironically, he's even stronger which has the mainstream media literally out of their minds now.

Tainari88 wrote:They don't understand that the PRC is sending medical supplies to Mexico in large quantities. They are busting moves to prove they can handle world decisions.

This is a bigger wake up call for them than 9/11. Billionaires are vain. They don't like being made to look like fools.

Tainari88 wrote:They are risking their positions. But? That is what fools do when they are arrogant sellouts.

What do you do when you have mass unemployment and your country is ready to cut your head off? Insource. Get the unemployment rate down. Was the Truman/Eisenhower era sexist? Absolutely. Why? Because having an 8M man army unemployed at home after killing millions of Nazis is a lot scarier than a bunch of pissed off housewives. The US medical industry has made everything disposable--even blood pressure cuffs; and, they've outsourced much of their manufacture to China. Now China has the entire world locked up in their houses. It's not a good look for people like Joe Biden to be excusing China. It's as dead a political position as there can be.

As I said, Trump SHOULD be politically dead right now, but he's stronger than ever because he's the only politician taking that position, and it is a sentiment shared broadly and now deeply by the American people.
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