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late wrote:Time to grow a pair, Panic Patty.

Are you just being contrary for the sake of it, or are you trying to curry favour with the Islamists? They will not be grateful, you will have to convert to get that but then you will have to give up wearing a tutu down the gay bars because they hang gays.
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SolarCross wrote:...you will have to give up wearing a tutu down the gay bars because they hang gays.

I think you are doing a good job of dividing "the gays" and "the Islamists" with your texts.

A gay Islamist is likely to encounter suicidal thoughts on reading your carefully-chosen words.

"They hate you" is an excellent way to destroy social solidarity. What's your long-term goal with this?
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QatzelOk wrote:I think you are doing a good job of dividing "the gays" and "the Islamists" with your texts.

A gay Islamist is likely to encounter suicidal thoughts on reading your carefully-chosen words.

"They hate you" is an excellent way to destroy social solidarity. What's your long-term goal with this?

You should know who your enemies are, that is all. The Islamists don't hide what they are about, so there is really no excuse for you pretend otherwise. They will never change their mind about it either, because that is also prohibited.
#15080007
SolarCross wrote:You should know who your enemies are, that is all. The Islamists don't hide what they are about, so there is really no excuse for you pretend otherwise. They will never change their mind about it either, because that is also prohibited.


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#15080014
@QatzelOk By all means go to Iran or Saudi Arabia and tell them all about your sex life, i am sure they will be fascinated with your progressive credentials. When that big crowd of cheering people turn up to meet you do not mind that fellow putting a blind-fold on you. Those friendly fellows are just going to throw you a surprise party!

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#15080030
SolarCross wrote:
Are you just being contrary for the sake of it, or are you trying to curry favour with the Islamists?



Since 9/11, we have depended on Arabs giving the FBI tips on suspected terrorists.

If we do what you want, and be crazy bigots, they will clam up.

Our Muslims are integrating faster than the historical average.

This sort of thing is way past your pay grade. There are always difficulties with assimilating a new minority, but the primary problem is that much of Europe has trouble with assimilation. In some countries these barriers extend to their own kids...

Your hysteria is brain dead.
#15080032
late wrote:Since 9/11, we have depended on Arabs giving the FBI tips on suspected terrorists.

If we do what you want, and be crazy bigots, they will clam up.

Our Muslims are integrating faster than the historical average.

This sort of thing is way past your pay grade. There are always difficulties with assimilating a new minority, but the primary problem is that much of Europe has trouble with assimilation. In some countries these barriers extend to their own kids...

Your hysteria is brain dead.

Islam is not going to change just for you, sorry.
#15080044
late wrote:Since 9/11, we have depended on Arabs giving the FBI tips on suspected terrorists.

Because the terrorists are also Arabs.
If we do what you want, and be crazy bigots, they will clam up.

It's not bigotry to take them at their word when they have amply demonstrated their sincerity.
Our Muslims are integrating faster than the historical average.

Good luck with that. In the long run, Muslim integration is impossible.
There are always difficulties with assimilating a new minority, but the primary problem is that much of Europe has trouble with assimilation.

It's not Europe that has trouble with assimilation. It's Muslims.
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As usual the right-wingers on this board are overgeneralizing, so as to misuse facile demographic categories for their ideological misconstructions.

Instead of dealing with *actual* histories, they want to keep up the false 'clash of civilizations' narrative, for a convenient privileged in-group, out-group Western Civilization tribalist politics.


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#15080279
To SolarCross, late wrote:Since 9/11, we have depended on Arabs giving the FBI tips on suspected terrorists.

If we do what you want, and be crazy bigots, they will clam up.

Our Muslims are integrating faster than the historical average.


So while SolarCross is telling everyone not to trust Ayrabs, late is correcting him by saying we need to talk to a few Ayrabs in order to kill the bad guys more effectively.

Of course, being gay myself, SolarCross's above picture (taken when? where? why the masks?) is supposed to scare me into compliance, like some kind of horror movie.

But I don't watch movies or TV, and I have studied and worked in mass media. So all I see is manipulation-by-meme and screen-centric ignorance.

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#15080292
ckaihatsu wrote:As usual the right-wingers on this board are overgeneralizing, so as to misuse facile demographic categories for their ideological misconstructions.

If you had read the Qu'ran (you haven't), you would know it is not a misconstruction in the least.
Instead of dealing with *actual* histories, they want to keep up the false 'clash of civilizations' narrative, for a convenient privileged in-group, out-group Western Civilization tribalist politics.

The *actual* history is very clear: Islam has always been spread and maintained almost exclusively by force. Virtually every Muslim alive today is descended from people converted to Islam at swordpoint. So it's not a clash of civilizations: Islam has erased every civilization it has conquered. It is therefore a clash between civilization and barbarism. It is false, absurd, and disingenuous Marxist claptrap to accuse the West of "tribalist" politics when tribalism is incomparably more characteristic of Islam.
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Truth To Power wrote:
If you had read the Qu'ran (you haven't), you would know it is not a misconstruction in the least.

The *actual* history is very clear: Islam has always been spread and maintained almost exclusively by force. Virtually every Muslim alive today is descended from people converted to Islam at swordpoint. So it's not a clash of civilizations: Islam has erased every civilization it has conquered. It is therefore a clash between civilization and barbarism. It is false, absurd, and disingenuous Marxist claptrap to accuse the West of "tribalist" politics when tribalism is incomparably more characteristic of Islam.



All of this is *still* unspecific and biased.

You come out of nowhere, making overgeneralized stereotypes about the religion of Islam, as though we're still living during the Holy Roman Empire crusades, and trying to score points for Western Civilization (as though *it's* never been barbaric), when we live in *modern* times of culturally heterogeneous society.

Go peddle your racist propaganda somewhere else, or better yet, not at all.
#15080475
ckaihatsu wrote:All of this is *still* unspecific and biased.

It is fact.
You come out of nowhere, making overgeneralized stereotypes about the religion of Islam, as though we're still living during the Holy Roman Empire crusades, and trying to score points for Western Civilization (as though *it's* never been barbaric), when we live in *modern* times of culturally heterogeneous society.

Greedy, evil people from the West have certainly misused its superior technological power from time to time, but the West's core ideal is the Enlightenment: liberty, justice, truth, science, and equal individual rights for all. That is not barbaric.

Of course there are wicked people, and of course they sometimes are able to gain political power in Western democracies. The Enlightenment was only a few hundred years ago, and there is lots of backsliding. No one says people in the West are perfect. But you need to find a willingness to know the fact that what any given person does is not a reflection on their country or the civilization they grew up in. It is a reflection of their own ideas, their own philosophy, their own morality. When a dictator in a Western country goes to war against the wishes of his people, that is not an expression of or reflection on "the West" or Western civilization. It is an aberration, because that is not what the Enlightenment ideals of the West prescribe. But when a Muslim murders a gay man or an apostate, that IS an expression of and a reflection on Islam, because that IS what the ideals of Islam prescribe.

GET IT???
Go peddle your racist propaganda somewhere else, or better yet, not at all.

Islam is not a race, sunshine. It is an ideology.
#15080640
Truth To Power wrote:
It is fact.

Greedy, evil people from the West have certainly misused its superior technological power from time to time, but the West's core ideal is the Enlightenment: liberty, justice, truth, science, and equal individual rights for all. That is not barbaric.



You could have been more forthright / upfront with where you're coming from, politically / philosophically.

Socialism, too, is based on the Enlightenment, so there's no friction on that aspect.


Truth To Power wrote:
Of course there are wicked people, and of course they sometimes are able to gain political power in Western democracies.



This is back to your typical facile idealism, though - - it's the 'Great Man' theory of history, thinking that elites somehow exist outside of larger society and all of its historical dynamics like that of class, technology, etc.


Truth To Power wrote:
The Enlightenment was only a few hundred years ago, and there is lots of backsliding. No one says people in the West are perfect. But you need to find a willingness to know the fact that what any given person does is not a reflection on their country or the civilization they grew up in. It is a reflection of their own ideas, their own philosophy, their own morality. When a dictator in a Western country goes to war against the wishes of his people, that is not an expression of or reflection on "the West" or Western civilization. It is an aberration, because that is not what the Enlightenment ideals of the West prescribe.



Nationalist leaders don't rise to power through the idealism of the Enlightenment - - they're there for particular *historical* reasons, often due to a power *vacuum* preceding it.


Truth To Power wrote:
But when a Muslim murders a gay man or an apostate, that IS an expression of and a reflection on Islam, because that IS what the ideals of Islam prescribe.



You're continuing to stereotype and overgeneralize - - not all branches of Islam are the same, yet you want to paint it all with a broad brush.

Monotheism was a historical development, for Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, among others. People interpret religious scriptures variously / variably, and you won't find agreement on lifestyles / how people live, in *any* religion. Some treatments are more severe than others.


Truth To Power wrote:
GET IT???

Islam is not a race, sunshine. It is an ideology.



You don't have to be condescending, and it doesn't matter if bigotry from you is expressed by race or by religion - - you're still Admin Edit: Rule 2, and you'd rather slur outgroups and people according to your biases and prejudices.
#15080675
Answering accustations of racism against Muslims, Truth To Power wrote:Islam is not a race, sunshine. It is an ideology.

Yes, it is. But it's a very similar ideology as Christianity and Judaism, with a very similar history and worldview.

You are only separating this religion from your own worldview because your "race" is predominantly of the other two Abrahamic cults, all of whom believe that the planet was given to humans to eat, like a giant chocolate cake.

So it's really the "racial" differences that allow you to spew ignorance about what is almost the exact same ideology as that of your own partners-in-crime - your own in-group.
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