Patrickov wrote:
I am interested to know why and how.
If this happened, all other nations would be come far more competitive against China. One of the advantages of China's top-down structure is efficiency. Democracies, are inherently less efficient. This is probably an over simplification, but Democracies trade efficient in favor of freedoms.
Let me list a few of things all other nations would have to do to become like China.
- Closedness would make it harder for China to steal from the US/EU. One of the strengths of democracies is openness. Especially in the university research systems. Data is shared more freely in the west. This is a key thing China exploits. For example, China took AI technologies developed in the US/EU, and then adapted it for nefarious purposes like tracking citizens and doing face recognition of minorities they are persecuting ("re-educating") in Western China. That pipeline for stealing/exploiting technology would be closed to China. Another example is that China did a joint genetics project with a US university. They cataloged and track DNA of different minorities in China. The US university researchers thought the project was for medical research. Guess what China did with that data? track and persecute minorities in their own country....
- Take 51% ownership of all foreign companies. This means the US government would own 51% of Huawei in America. Think about what that means in terms of influencing/controlling Huawei. America could easily steal tech/intel from China. Recall most foreign companies in China have to operate as joint ventures with the Chinese government itself. The US or EU or whoever could also gather much more data on China this way by requiring China to have all of its servers in America, EU, where ever if they want to operate in these places. Basically, if you do exactly what China does right back at them, then it becomes harder for China to hide what its doing.
- Say fuck it to human rights, and just be more honest with hegemonic ambitions. The US and EU would have a field day reclaiming/controlling/manipulating/exploiting its former colonies. No need for the Chinese for making cheap shit anymore. This also means even more military bases around the globe to keep an eye on and check China.
- Reduce/restrict sovereignty of the citizenry. Easier for each nations' regime to maintain its power and execute on longer term goals. No need to pander to the populace on shorter term election cycles that create inefficiencies. This also creates a lot of latitude and freedom for the government itself. The US government in particular would likely challenge and become more hostile to China. Other governments would do similar.
- Control the media/propaganda machine tightly. It would be much easier to stoke nationalist tendencies, and anti-China tendencies. That means the citizenry will be more willing to go to war with China. Either economically (Buy American/EU/Western, no Chinese) or conventionally.
I'm sure I'm barely scratching the surface how it would be bad for China. It's in their interest for everyone else to attempt democracy because it creates cracks/seams they can exploit as they are doing now.
In short, becoming more like China reduces the gap of China's leverage against the rest of the world because other nations would become just as efficient and thus, will not need China.
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Personally I think after all this coronavirus crap all settles down I am in favor of starting back trade with the Chinese (that's if the Chinese would be willing to). It was really stupid for Trump to engage in a trade war with China and seriously hurt our economy and our farmers. I never supported Trump's trade war with China at all. That being said, I completely understand the concern about Chinese technology theft and feel that this could have been handled without starting a trade war with China that cost our economy a bunch of money and jobs. I'm a capitalist global free trader at heart but it's also important to take into account the need for shared prosperity with workers and the right of workers to organize unions to bargain for better pay and a safe and decent work environment.
This virus will do more for separating global supply chains that the trade war would ever achieve. I think we should trade with China, but we should separate all critical supply chains as soon as possible. Medical, military, technology, financial tech, etc. etc.
We should only rely on them for making cheap plastic shit.
The trade war is one thing I'm actually ok with that Trump has done. It has made it common knowledge how China steals so much shit from everyone. I remember 10-13 years ago, talking about this with coworkers. We were all asking the question "We know that China steals a lot of shit from us, but no one seems to think it's a problem. I wonder when will the US/EU start to care about that?" Looks like it's finally happening now.
With respect to technology theft, I say fuck China (the government, not the people). Fuck them and we should do everything we can to prevent them from stealing more shit from the west. Further, I have no problem with people hacking and sabotaging their systems that are used to enslave minorities in western china. The west has it's massive flaws, issues, and moral dilemmas that need to be solved. but the Chinese government is on another level. At least in the west, we have the freedom to speak out against the horrible things our governments do, and potentially change them for the better.
I can think of 11780 reasons Trump shouldn't be president ever again.